That would truly be a work of art!! Would certainly be unpredictable to mill out because it might weaken the wood in areas. But the ModFather definitely has the talent and skill to pull something like that off.
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That would truly be a work of art!! Would certainly be unpredictable to mill out because it might weaken the wood in areas. But the ModFather definitely has the talent and skill to pull something like that off.
Parallel's on the front/back, and verticals on the sides. It would truly be a work of art
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Rob could most likely do SL Resin without a doubt. SL Woodvils... would make him UNTOUCHABLE! That's something cheap a__ China leechers couldn't do.
The future is bright for the ModFather.
I would happily volunteer to beta test em'
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Said it before, I'll say it again.
1) For certain types of products, I'll consider a clone.
2) There are strategies that can be used to prevent cloning from killing a vendor.
On the first point, this ain't one of 'em. I have zero interest, and probably a lot of you agree. Loyalty aside, the fact is that some of the primary reasons I GOT a Reo were the hundreds of posts describing the extreme quality, durability, and reliability of the thing. That cannot be expected of a knockoff.
On the second point - Rob, perhaps unintentionally, has MANY of the "anti-cloning" practices in place: a device that depends in some part on manufacture quality to deliver performance; a reputation for quality and for customer service; ongoing product innovation.
Put it all together, and there's not much likelihood of the people attracted to a Reo being attracted to a clone.
1) For certain types of products, I'll consider a clone.
2) There are strategies that can be used to prevent cloning from killing a vendor.
On the first point, this ain't one of 'em. I have zero interest, and probably a lot of you agree. Loyalty aside, the fact is that some of the primary reasons I GOT a Reo were the hundreds of posts describing the extreme quality, durability, and reliability of the thing. That cannot be expected of a knockoff.
On the second point - Rob, perhaps unintentionally, has MANY of the "anti-cloning" practices in place: a device that depends in some part on manufacture quality to deliver performance; a reputation for quality and for customer service; ongoing product innovation.
Put it all together, and there's not much likelihood of the people attracted to a Reo being attracted to a clone.
Can you do something effective if they do indeed ship them to the US? I'll order one right now, document everything, and send it right to you when it gets here... If that would help you combat this s@#!
What's really bad is the fact that they copy the pictures and text from Rob's website. I've seen this over and over and that practice is detestable.
The reality of the situation is that the vast majority that buy a clone would never buy the original.
I'm sure as he mentioned Rob's business is slowing. I am guessing the main reason is the market is absolutely flooded with products now. Also these Reos are almost bulletproof and never die.
The reality of the situation is that the vast majority that buy a clone would never buy the original.
I'm sure as he mentioned Rob's business is slowing. I am guessing the main reason is the market is absolutely flooded with products now. Also these Reos are almost bulletproof and never die.
Nothing that comes from China is made with quality as a priority. Its all about low price. The materials they use are poor quality and a cheeseburger at McDonald's costs more than the laborer there makes in a week.
Yes, this shytty clone will attract the cheap bassturds that would never buy a REO to begin with because they are just cheap people.
Anyone who isn't one of those people and gets led down the path to buy one will likely ditch it quick for the real deal.
Mods and attys from China are a joke compared to what's made here in the U.S. Any customer worth having knows that and is willing to pay for the quality of USA made.
I'd be willing to wager that that Chinese clone mod would dent just throwing it on my garage floor to hit it with a hockey stick. I'll tell ya this much - if someone does send me one, I wouldn't waste the time to put a thin layer of painters tape on the finish.
Not to mention that I wouldn't even want to be seen in public with one so no chance it'll ever get near let alone dropped out of my car. I'll squash it with my golf cart though.
I've recently gone thru my vaping Facebook page and purged all of the cute little Chinese women who befriended me. Every one of them is from Shenzhen and everyone of em peddles clones and continuously spammed my feed with clone ads. LOL, They're prolly not even the people in their avvies.
I'd suggest that if any of you have any on your FB you do the same. Take away a huge part of how they advertise.
We use REOs cause we appreciate the product, the service and the real deal - Robert E. O'neil. We also appreciate REOvil and all it offers.
No legit REOnaut would hang in a forum called cheap Chinese garbage squonker.
Yes, this shytty clone will attract the cheap bassturds that would never buy a REO to begin with because they are just cheap people.
Anyone who isn't one of those people and gets led down the path to buy one will likely ditch it quick for the real deal.
Mods and attys from China are a joke compared to what's made here in the U.S. Any customer worth having knows that and is willing to pay for the quality of USA made.
I'd be willing to wager that that Chinese clone mod would dent just throwing it on my garage floor to hit it with a hockey stick. I'll tell ya this much - if someone does send me one, I wouldn't waste the time to put a thin layer of painters tape on the finish.
Not to mention that I wouldn't even want to be seen in public with one so no chance it'll ever get near let alone dropped out of my car. I'll squash it with my golf cart though.
I've recently gone thru my vaping Facebook page and purged all of the cute little Chinese women who befriended me. Every one of them is from Shenzhen and everyone of em peddles clones and continuously spammed my feed with clone ads. LOL, They're prolly not even the people in their avvies.
I'd suggest that if any of you have any on your FB you do the same. Take away a huge part of how they advertise.
We use REOs cause we appreciate the product, the service and the real deal - Robert E. O'neil. We also appreciate REOvil and all it offers.
No legit REOnaut would hang in a forum called cheap Chinese garbage squonker.
This is the number one reason I do my best to steer clear of clones of anything from China. In fact, this is a major reason I try to buy local to begin with. People can dub me a liberal hippy all they want. Truth is I'm no hippy although I quack like a duck I don't necessarily waddle like a duck (more like a penguin, really).
People often don't think that when they spend all their money at Walmart, they're literally killing their local economy. I live in an area that's true testament to the fact - the Adirondacks are a funny mix of it. In my town (well, the closest town to me), there is hardly any BIG business. Walmart was overwhelming voted against when they tried to open a store years ago. As such, we have local community stores, local this and that - most times when I spend money in town, it supports the local economy. I do my best to go to farmers markets as well.
A town over, all of the local businesses - ALL OF THEM - have closed. Why? Walmart. AND Kmart. Everybody's "Adirondack" furniture is really "Chinarondack" furniture. To hell with it! It's ridiculous. And there's very few local restaurants in that town, because the town is riddled with McDonalds and Taco Bell...
Well this got off onto a whole other rant but yes - when I spend money on a REO, I am supporting a true OG right here in the USA. When I purchase an atty, always through Catfish - I support Tom, a true OG - and American manufacturers bringing us great atties.
Spending money is like voting, it really is. I try to keep it real and vote for the right principles and ideas.
NO REO clone for Sloth!
PS I do apologize for going all political here, but this, at its heart, is a political topic I believe. Not trying to stir up a political debate, just linking the two...
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This article is by Baizhu Chen, a professor of clinical finance and business economics at USC Marshall School of Business. He is also senior researcher at the Institute of Finance and Banking at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, chief economist of Sino-Century Capital, a venture capital firm in Shanghai, and former president of the Chinese Economists Society, and he is academic director for Marshall’s Global Executive MBA program.
Recently I had a heated exchange with my neighbor Johnny. Johnny believed that the U.S. unemployment rate, currently hovering above 9%, would become even worse. The culprit, according to him, was China. With boatloads of Chinese-made goods coming this way, and empty ships going the other way, Johnny argued, we ran a huge trade deficit. This effectively exported U.S. jobs to China while we were importing goods from there.
I, of course, think that is completely nonsense. I chided Johnny that he probably listened to too much of what our politicians preach. Johnny owns several small restaurants in an affluent neighborhood in Los Angeles. His restaurants use Chinese-made cooking pots and pans. The tables and chairs are also imported from China. Like his middle-class neighbors, Johnny shops in Target and Walmart, buying Chinese made merchandise. So I challenged him to see if he thought his family and his restaurants could survive this Christmas without using any Chinese-made products, since he was so concerned about the damage these foreign products cause for the American economy. In less than two days, Johnny came to me, frustrated, to admit he had lost the challenge. If Johnny wants to spend this Christmas without anything made in China, he literally has to tear down his house and close all his restaurants.
America has been running a trade deficit against China for a long time. It is importing from China lots of Apple iPhones, Dell computers, Gap shirts, Hasbro toys, Mattel dolls and Nike shoes. The list can go very long. Careful eyes may immediately spot that those are all American companies. In fact, a San Francisco Federal Reserve study has found that 55% of the value of American imported goods from China actually goes to American companies and workers. In comparison, American companies and workers only capture 36% of the value added of the import from all countries combined. Buying from China gives America a much better deal than buying from other countries in the world.
Apple’s iPhone is an interesting example. In 2009, iPhones contributed about $2 billion, equivalent to 0.8% of the Sino-U.S. bilateral trade deficit. One iPhone 3GS was sold for about $600. These phones were exclusively manufactured by Foxconn, a factory in a Southern Chinese city called Shenzhen. To produce them, Foxconn had to import $10.75 worth of parts from American companies. The rest of its $172.46 components came from Korea, Japan, Germany, and elsewhere. Out of a $600 iPhone, how much does China get? A puny $6.50, or 1% of the value. Apple makes vastly more. Combining with other American companies making parts, America receives close to 70% of the value. The portion of America’s trade deficit against China truly contributed by iPhones based on value-added calculation is only a very small portion of $2 billion. Most of that $2 billion is, in fact, value captured by Apple and other American companies. China makes it possible for those companies to reward their shareholders handsomely and to provide thousands of high paying jobs in America. Yet our politicians, though they likely also use Chinese made Apple iPhones, blame China for stealing American jobs.
According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, America imported $375 billion of goods and services from China in 2010 and exported $115 billion to China. The Sino-U.S. bilateral trade deficit is $260 billion, more than 50% of America’s total of that year. But if we calculate based on value-added contribution by the two countries, using the San Francisco Federal Reserve study, America actually has a trade surplus of $70 billion. So it is quite a puzzle to me that people in Washington are worried about America’s trade deficit with China. Using trade policies such as the trade bill recently passed in Senate to punish China for alleged currency manipulation actually penalizes companies like Apple, Dell, Gap, Hasbro, Mattel, Nike, and others. It penalizes not only poor American families and small businesses like Johnny’s restaurants, that make ends meet by relying on inexpensive Chinese products, but also thousands of high-paid American workers who work for those companies.
China does not steal our jobs. Michigan was in decline even before the Chinese showed up in the world market. Textile factories began to move out of America to Macau, Mexico, and Malaysia even before China opened its doors. RCA Corporation, the American pioneer TV maker, disappeared long before the world’s largest TV manufacturer, TCL, which today owns RCA, was born in Shenzhen. On the contrary, China creates jobs in America. Cupertino-based Apple Stores employ thousands of young associates in America, helping customers select iPhones. Hundreds high-paid professionals in New York City market Gap jeans around the world. Minnesota-based Target, with more than 1,200 stores nationwide selling lots of China-made merchandises, employs over 350,000 American workers. Thousands of UPS and FedEx workers cheerfully move boxes of Dell computers, Hasbro toys, and Nike shoes to American families. With millions of Chinese working really hard to supply us with everything from Christmas ornaments to iPhones and enabling our companies to provide thousands of high paying jobs in America, we should be thankful. That our politicians, for their political gains, accuse China of stealing American jobs is very much against basic American values.
Johnny has four Dell computers at home. He wears Nike shoes and Gap shirts. He shops at Target and Walmart. His children use iPhones. All those products are made in China. In fact, we Americans cannot survive a day without a China-made product. So please don’t feel ashamed of buying them. And don’t particularly look for goods made in America. Buying China, in fact, is buying American. Christmas is right around the corner. I am going to buy a toy panda bear, made in China, as a gift for my little niece. Who knows, a large portion of the price I pay may go to my fellow Americans.
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This article is by Baizhu Chen, a professor of clinical finance and business economics at USC Marshall School of Business. He is also senior researcher at the Institute of Finance and Banking at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, chief economist of Sino-Century Capital, a venture capital firm in Shanghai, and former president of the Chinese Economists Society, and he is academic director for Marshall’s Global Executive MBA program.
Recently I had a heated exchange with my neighbor Johnny. Johnny believed that the U.S. unemployment rate, currently hovering above 9%, would become even worse. The culprit, according to him, was China. With boatloads of Chinese-made goods coming this way, and empty ships going the other way, Johnny argued, we ran a huge trade deficit. This effectively exported U.S. jobs to China while we were importing goods from there.
I, of course, think that is completely nonsense. I chided Johnny that he probably listened to too much of what our politicians preach. Johnny owns several small restaurants in an affluent neighborhood in Los Angeles. His restaurants use Chinese-made cooking pots and pans. The tables and chairs are also imported from China. Like his middle-class neighbors, Johnny shops in Target and Walmart, buying Chinese made merchandise. So I challenged him to see if he thought his family and his restaurants could survive this Christmas without using any Chinese-made products, since he was so concerned about the damage these foreign products cause for the American economy. In less than two days, Johnny came to me, frustrated, to admit he had lost the challenge. If Johnny wants to spend this Christmas without anything made in China, he literally has to tear down his house and close all his restaurants.
America has been running a trade deficit against China for a long time. It is importing from China lots of Apple iPhones, Dell computers, Gap shirts, Hasbro toys, Mattel dolls and Nike shoes. The list can go very long. Careful eyes may immediately spot that those are all American companies. In fact, a San Francisco Federal Reserve study has found that 55% of the value of American imported goods from China actually goes to American companies and workers. In comparison, American companies and workers only capture 36% of the value added of the import from all countries combined. Buying from China gives America a much better deal than buying from other countries in the world.
Apple’s iPhone is an interesting example. In 2009, iPhones contributed about $2 billion, equivalent to 0.8% of the Sino-U.S. bilateral trade deficit. One iPhone 3GS was sold for about $600. These phones were exclusively manufactured by Foxconn, a factory in a Southern Chinese city called Shenzhen. To produce them, Foxconn had to import $10.75 worth of parts from American companies. The rest of its $172.46 components came from Korea, Japan, Germany, and elsewhere. Out of a $600 iPhone, how much does China get? A puny $6.50, or 1% of the value. Apple makes vastly more. Combining with other American companies making parts, America receives close to 70% of the value. The portion of America’s trade deficit against China truly contributed by iPhones based on value-added calculation is only a very small portion of $2 billion. Most of that $2 billion is, in fact, value captured by Apple and other American companies. China makes it possible for those companies to reward their shareholders handsomely and to provide thousands of high paying jobs in America. Yet our politicians, though they likely also use Chinese made Apple iPhones, blame China for stealing American jobs.
According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, America imported $375 billion of goods and services from China in 2010 and exported $115 billion to China. The Sino-U.S. bilateral trade deficit is $260 billion, more than 50% of America’s total of that year. But if we calculate based on value-added contribution by the two countries, using the San Francisco Federal Reserve study, America actually has a trade surplus of $70 billion. So it is quite a puzzle to me that people in Washington are worried about America’s trade deficit with China. Using trade policies such as the trade bill recently passed in Senate to punish China for alleged currency manipulation actually penalizes companies like Apple, Dell, Gap, Hasbro, Mattel, Nike, and others. It penalizes not only poor American families and small businesses like Johnny’s restaurants, that make ends meet by relying on inexpensive Chinese products, but also thousands of high-paid American workers who work for those companies.
China does not steal our jobs. Michigan was in decline even before the Chinese showed up in the world market. Textile factories began to move out of America to Macau, Mexico, and Malaysia even before China opened its doors. RCA Corporation, the American pioneer TV maker, disappeared long before the world’s largest TV manufacturer, TCL, which today owns RCA, was born in Shenzhen. On the contrary, China creates jobs in America. Cupertino-based Apple Stores employ thousands of young associates in America, helping customers select iPhones. Hundreds high-paid professionals in New York City market Gap jeans around the world. Minnesota-based Target, with more than 1,200 stores nationwide selling lots of China-made merchandises, employs over 350,000 American workers. Thousands of UPS and FedEx workers cheerfully move boxes of Dell computers, Hasbro toys, and Nike shoes to American families. With millions of Chinese working really hard to supply us with everything from Christmas ornaments to iPhones and enabling our companies to provide thousands of high paying jobs in America, we should be thankful. That our politicians, for their political gains, accuse China of stealing American jobs is very much against basic American values.
Johnny has four Dell computers at home. He wears Nike shoes and Gap shirts. He shops at Target and Walmart. His children use iPhones. All those products are made in China. In fact, we Americans cannot survive a day without a China-made product. So please don’t feel ashamed of buying them. And don’t particularly look for goods made in America. Buying China, in fact, is buying American. Christmas is right around the corner. I am going to buy a toy panda bear, made in China, as a gift for my little niece. Who knows, a large portion of the price I pay may go to my fellow Americans.
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So one interpretation of this article is that anyone that bashes China here is actually...full of hypocritical crap. We are ALL supporting China. Take a look at your shoes, your shirts, your car parts, your computer or phone you are using right now. When it comes to our precious REOS though, we want it both ways. Sorry.
I don't think those who buy the clone would have bought the original to begin with. It would suck if some stores buy these clones and sell them as originals.
I haven't been very active on these forums, but the Reo was my first (and last) choice of PV since 2011. Before making the decision I trawled ECF and elsewhere for literally 3/4 months (guess I'm thorough). Some people are just uninformed (shame). The fact that there are Woodvils still available is a testament to this.
It also sucks about business being slow. My feeling is that there will always be new vapers looking for quality mods. I'd say if redeyedancer decided to inject some business ideas, put some energy into actually making sales, he wouldn't fail. I mean if it has to come to that. Exactly what this would entail, without disrupting the focus on quality/workmanship, I don't know.
super_X_drifter, be sure to put in a fake AW IMR if/when you stress test it
I haven't been very active on these forums, but the Reo was my first (and last) choice of PV since 2011. Before making the decision I trawled ECF and elsewhere for literally 3/4 months (guess I'm thorough). Some people are just uninformed (shame). The fact that there are Woodvils still available is a testament to this.
It also sucks about business being slow. My feeling is that there will always be new vapers looking for quality mods. I'd say if redeyedancer decided to inject some business ideas, put some energy into actually making sales, he wouldn't fail. I mean if it has to come to that. Exactly what this would entail, without disrupting the focus on quality/workmanship, I don't know.
super_X_drifter, be sure to put in a fake AW IMR if/when you stress test it
For me, anyway, the issue isn't about the economic advantages or disadvantages of trading with China. It's about counterfeiting.
I never really bashed China but I don't have the stomach to read that article based upon the last paragraph. We're all part of the problem and I agree with some of that last paragraph. You come to the rural north country. Look at the differences in towns and follow the money. All I'm saying is I try to keep it as local as possible because that's important - to be fully local is virtually, if not totally impossible.
I bought a rogue clone and a bonsai clone recently. I'm not calling the kettle black but I generally steer clear of this clone stuff. When China does something original I'm all for it. For the record I hate American automobiles, and would not spend my money on one.
I bought a rogue clone and a bonsai clone recently. I'm not calling the kettle black
but I generally steer clear of this clone stuff. When China does something original I'm all for it. For the record I hate American automobiles, and would not spend my money on one.
My interpretations of that article are that
1. It was written by a guy named Baizhu Chen
2. It has nothing to do with how counterfeiting effects an individual vape entrepreneur like Mr. O'Neil.
I think it was directed at my post. Figures. I should know better than to post anything political - was just trying to give a spin on the clone concept as food for thought.
To stop The Walmart you must find and destroy its heart. Behind that plasma screen over there
If these faux Reos are 1:1 copies (counterfeits), and Rob's Reo is patented, shipments can be confiscated by customs, and legal action can be brought against any American company selling them.
I don't buy things to support people who are better off than I am. I buy things that I think I want and are of value to me. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars to spend to see if they like a product. Nor is everyone looking for a 'family' based on mutual purchases. I think this exclusivity you all seem to cherish so much turns off a lot of potential buyers. Sell a product based on its merits and value, not on some hokey idea that a person receives a new family because they spend a couple of hundred dollars on an object. Look at provari, same kind of thing. Is it a good product? From all accounts it is, but I'll never own one at the prices they ask. I just want a device that works correctly at a price I consider worth it, whether it's made in the USA, China, or Canada is not really a concern of mine. It's a luxury to be able to buy expensive goods over inexpensive ones. It's a bummer for the individual whose creation is cloned but that is the nature of business. I"ve looked at REO's and never really understood the perceived value. It's not really an exclusive club if anyone who plunks down a couple of hundred dollars can join. Sorry.
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