What am i doing wrong with my Mt. Baker Vapor juice????

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zapped

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You arent doing anything wrong. My last order from MBV tasted like gasoline fumes and the reply I received from the owner offering to make an exception and refund the price of the juice made it sound as if he was doing me a favor or that I was somehow attempting to scam him.

For the record I wasnt asking for anything, I was telling him about a potential problem so that he could fix it and so that others could hopefully avoid the same problem I had.

I also found his use of my full given name in his greeting condescending and unprofessional. I much prefer to be addressed as sir by people I that I have never conversed or had a working relationship with prior to our very first communication.

I wont be taking advantage of the refund or doing any further business with them in the future as a result.

P.S IMO People rave about them because MBV is cheap, some people place a higher value on that than quality or taste.
 
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I'm very into tobacco's and of course RY4's. When I first started vaping, I was sampling every tobacco flavor MBV had out. However, once I started to try other companies, I realized that MBV's tobaccos were not for me. MBV is a great company and they helped me with everyone of my newb questions very politely. They have great prices on their juice and have a decent hardware selection. I have never tried many of their other flavors, except for the lemonade sample they sent me and I don't think I'll be returning to them anytime soon.

With e-juice, it seems like you get what you pay for. That is not to say you will love every expensive juice out there, but most of the juices that I can't get enough of seem to fall into around $0.50 per ml. Differing RY4's are usually my ADV, so I don't usually have issues ordering it blind in a 30 ml size, but even now I would not order 236 ml of it or anything else if I had not tried it before.

Some steeping can take quite a while even at 30 ml. I had 30 ml of Boba and I tried to vape it after 1 week and I was all like, 'Why does everyone like this so much?' Now (about a month later), it has finally matured.
 

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I don't see how thats offensive at all. Some people place more importance on price vs quality..they'd rather spend less money, even if it means they receive an (potentially slightly) inferior product.

Exactly!

Ive tried literally hundreds of different juices at local and regional vape meets for the past 4 years of vaping on and off and MBV makes the top two of worst juices Ive ever tried.

Number one is Crab Juice and that should tell you something.For you newer vapers heres a video.



Taste is highly subjective but if you look at the polls for last years top juice suppliers and flavors it's clear that MBV isnt even in the same league as HHV, Ahlusion, Alice in Vapeland, Alien Visions or dozens of other e-liquids suppliers out there.

Then when you do a cost comparison between the various vendors on price per ml the reason for their popularity becomes evident.

Take that as you will.
 
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I don't see how thats offensive at all. Some people place more importance on price vs quality..they'd rather spend less money, even if it means they receive an (potentially slightly) inferior product.

Re-read the quote. He didn't say some people.

I find it offensive because the poster is saying the only reason people rave about Mr. Baker is because their juices are cheap and (by implication) they are cheap. You may find it hard to believe but some people like Mt. Baker because they like their juices.

I currently have four 'go-to' juices. Two are 'premium' juices. And two are from Mt. Baker. They were both originally gifted to me and became favorites because I like them. And I'd like them no matter the price.

I have no problem with someone not liking particular juices. But to try and imply that people who do like those juices do so simply because they value quantity over quality is a sweeping - and unwarranted - generalization.
 
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Re-read the quote. He didn't say some
I have no problem with someone not liking particular juices. But to try and imply that people who do like those juices do so simply because they value quantity over quality is a sweeping - and unwarranted - generalization.

No, its an opinion that happens to differ from yours.It isnt unwarranted in any way since this a PUBLIC forum and were all entitled to our own opinions and to express them how we see fit.

Im glad that you like their juices but I still maintain that if if wasnt for their lower prices they wouldnt have a tenth of the popularity they enjoy now.

The use of the term people is a broad generalization and was used to avoid anyone taking it personal since it wasnt directed at any one individual specifically.Im sorry you feel that way as it wasnt my intention.

Maybe next time I can pm you before posting anything else on the forums to avoid your wrath?
 

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No, its an opinion that happens to differ from yours.It isnt unwarranted in any way since this a PUBLIC forum and were all entitled to our own opinions and to express them how we see fit.

Being unwarranted has nothing to do with whether or not I agree nor where it's posted (public vs. a private forum). It's unwarranted because it's a sweeping generalization that happens to be wrong (as are most sweeping generalizations).

Im glad that you like their juices but I still maintain that if if wasnt for their lower prices they wouldnt have a tenth of the popularity they enjoy now.

No fair changing your argument in mid-stream. I was objecting to your statement about the people who like their juices, not about whether or not their prices affected their popularity. Different subject. I happen to agree that some part of their popularity is due to their low prices. What part? Who knows. But definitely not 'all'.

The use of the term people is a broad generalization and was used to avoid anyone taking it personal since it wasnt directed at any one individual specifically.Im sorry you feel that way as it wasnt my intention.

I know it wasn't addressed to me personally nor did I take it as such. But it was aimed at a group (people who like Mt. Baker) of which I am a member.

Maybe next time I can pm you before posting anything else on the forums to avoid your wrath?

No need for snide comments.

And now I'm out. Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread.

Getting back to the subject - how many of the juices have you tried? In your first post, you mentioned trying one (green apple?) right away and not liking it. I think you also mentioned trying another after two weeks. Not liking a juice right out of the mailbox is not uncommon (I would have thrown away my absolute favorite juice if I hadn't learned about steeping here on this forum).

But if you've given them all four weeks and still don't like them - well, it happens. I have sixteen juices sitting here that I'm hoping will improve (no, none of them are from Mt. Baker). It's too bad and I hope you have better luck finding juices you like in the future.
 

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Well not everyone likes the same thing, I personally have tried several juices locally including some "premium" juices which were terrible. Thankfully, the local vendors here allow testing prior to buying or I would be out a ton of wasted money. I have 2 flavors from MBV atm and only one do I love which is Razzleberry the other is maraschino cherry which may just need more steeping time since I have only had it a couple days now.

Just for reference my juices are 20PG/80VG with 2 extra shots of flavor, and my second order from MBV was placed yesterday. Honestly until I find a reason to NOT use MBV they are my go to juice vendor, but that's just my opinion.
 

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I ordered some mbv a month ago. Not terrible, but not great either. Letting it steep. Thought I'd give good life vapor a go. Omg. Used nanas nuts and deadly sin right out the mail and amazing. Never used 2 bottle up so quickly! 11 ml at 12 mg. so they are gonna be my main juices after 6 months of trying. Mbv is by far not the worst juice I've tried. So to someone else it might be their juice of choice. Not ...... I ordered from them. And yes priced about right.
 

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I ordered some mbv a month ago. Not terrible, but not great either. Letting it steep. Thought I'd give good life vapor a go. Omg. Used nanas nuts and deadly sin right out the mail and amazing. Never used 2 bottle up so quickly! 11 ml at 12 mg. so they are gonna be my main juices after 6 months of trying. Mbv is by far not the worst juice I've tried. So to someone else it might be their juice of choice. Not ...... I ordered from them. And yes priced about right.

My wife likes banana nut bread a lot, and we just ordered 4 juices from Good Life. She's still looking for her all day vape so we got Black Blue and Bloody, Pink Cupcake, Yoplay Parlay and Baja Breeze. Ill let ya know what we thought em if youre interested.
 

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Well I have liked 2 of theirs....Butterscotch and Bubble Gum...but not so much on anything else I have tried. All the caramels ones tasted peppery and I HATED those.....so if not MBV who do you suggest as a good all round vendor? A lot of votes for HHV....and Allusions....what's your idea of a great place for some great regular flavors like caramel, fruits, etc....nothing really complicated...I'm not into ones with 6 different ingredients.
 

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I don't see how thats offensive at all. Some people place more importance on price vs quality..they'd rather spend less money, even if it means they receive an (potentially slightly) inferior product.

by saying some people place an importance on price vs. quality or taste, it's saying that people who like MBV (for among other reasons, but among them their low price) do not like quality or have any taste.

Inferior and superior are subjective. We can all agree that if price was no option that a lot of us would probably stampede for Jameson's, Five Pawns, Mad Murdock, and a few of the middle-range-price vendors-- but even with all that you'd still have people who like to vape these lower-cost ones. Not because of the cost, but because they like it.
It's not up to you to say that they have no taste or can't enjoy quality.

I actually don't have a dog in this fight. I enjoy the MBV crowd (and company) and have a bunch of MBV stuff for my boyfriend to try, but if he doesn't like it, it's not going to have me negate 800+ pages of people posting about MBV, and many times talking about what they enjoy a lot from that company. And I'm definitely not going to try to simplify why they like MBV as price-only, nor am I going to say that because they like MBV then they don't have the ability to enjoy quality or good taste.

That's pretty presumptuous.

However, let's just chalk it up to something hastily typed without realizing the ramifications of what your words would read like to others.

Exactly!

Ive tried literally hundreds of different juices at local and regional vape meets for the past 4 years of vaping on and off and MBV makes the top two of worst juices Ive ever tried.

Number one is Crab Juice and that should tell you something.

Taste is highly subjective but if you look at the polls for last years top juice suppliers and flavors it's clear that MBV isnt even in the same league as HHV, Ahlusion, Alice in Vapeland, Alien Visions or dozens of other e-liquids suppliers out there.

Then when you do a cost comparison between the various vendors on price per ml the reason for their popularity becomes evident.

Take that as you will.


Zapped--several of those vendors are on my list to buy. But, once again, there's a few dozen people who regularly post on the MBV threads who really like MBV among other vendors that I'm sure they have in their juice collection. I'm reminded of what one person wrote in talking about meeting someone in person who had tried MBV and hated it-- he actually pitied the guy and was like "I'm sorry, that really sucks to be you."

I'm trying to come up with something that I feel similarly about taste-wise as you two feel about MBV.

My two most hated foods are canned tuna fish and white chocolate. I think both are frakking disgusting. I may get shudders of revulsions when I've seen (or thought about) people eating either, but I don't believe I'd ever say to a group of people "anyone who like canned tuna or white chocolate places a higher value on cost, than on quality or taste."

Maybe they just like canned tuna and/or white chocolate. They're happy with it. I don't have to eat it, and I can complain up and down about how disgusting I think it is, but people liking these things does not mean that they don't think that their canned tuna and/or white chocolate is quality food, and tasty to boot. why should I care so long as my food money isn't going towards food that disgusts me? And if I was in a lunch room and someone's significant other packed them tuna and white chocolate for lunch and this person told me how disgusting they thought it was, I'd agree with them and then look at the lunch room and say "I betcha you can trade it for something you like better from one of these people here."

Sidenote:
Quality is an interesting term and pretty flexible in the vaping community. If a liquid is standardized and prepared in a hygienic environment, that's a good start to quality. If there's not diacetyl or dyes in the liquid, that's also quality. U.S.A. made to me is also necessary for me to think it's more likely to be quality than not, but there's people on here who love Chinese juices and have said that the labs making the Chinese juices are probably more stringent with quality control than small mom-and-pop's here in the U.S. I still wouldn't buy from China personally BUT I think that point is very valid and I could see how Chinese juices could also fall under the title of "quality." Then you get into glass jars, and organic ingredients, and top-notch customer service, and stock that's always available, and a website that's easy to order from.

It's up to each consumer to decide what, to them, means quality. Not you. You can decide quality for yourself and no other.
And if my boyfriend hates MBV's flavor-- that's cool. I still will consider them a quality shop because of several of the points listed above. And if I try any of those vendors you listed, zapped, and he hates one of them, well that's life in Vape-world. How many hundreds of vendors do we now have to choose from?

OP-- sorry you had a bad experience with MBV. I hope you put your bottles up on the trade/PIF forum if you haven't already.
 
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I love the caramel apple from MBV...But, I have never tasted anything quite as bad as their RY4... Just my humble opinion. I am letting the RY4 steep more but, it was SO bad that I have a hard time even trying it again. It left a really bad impression....

Totally agree with you on MBV's RY4. I think it's horrible and four of my five friends (who vape) agree. Yet the fifth one loves it. Go figure.
 

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I am not at all bothered by what was said in this tread. I just wanted to know what the hype is. No need to flame anyone. Just glad there are others like me that feel as though this juice is not good. I am happy about that. Already got my vaporgod Green Apple and it is so damn good. I found my vendor of choice, and will stay there with them. I may try a few of the others mentioned on here and WILL BUY ONLY small containers of juice. Thanks for all the input. I am at ease now.
 

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yeah, there's never anything wrong with you if you don't like a juice. It's a shame that steeping can sometimes help and sometimes it can't. And I've even heard about juice in general, and not vendor specific, that sometimes you can steep one bottle of say watermelon (or whatever flavor) and it's great, and then steep the next bottle with all the same parameters from the same company and you steep it the same way and it's not as good as it was before.

Sometimes our tastebuds are just little shmucks who like to screw with our heads. But no doubt, sometimes it's also vendor inconsistency :)

ZeeBest: Some others that are also often mentioned for popularity are Hawk Sauce, Sticky Icky, Cinnamon Bun, Whipped Cream (it's popular to get that in 0 nicotine to make it a mixer for other flavors), 555 or East Coast Tobacco if you have 3-4 weeks to steep.

Go here:
Mt Baker Vapor e-Liquid Review #3
One's reviewed by SpinFuel's Panel (in this particular review. They have two others that also have a long list of reviewed flavors):


Mango E Juice Baker Vapor
Cinnamon Roll E Juice Baker Vapor
Coumarin Pipe E Juice Baker Vapor
Havana E Juice Baker Vapor
Vanilla Tobacco E Juice Baker Vapor
Salt Water Taffy E Juice Baker Vapor
Caramel Apple E Juice Baker Vapor
Caramel Coffee E Juice Baker Vapor
Nutella E Juice Baker Vapor
Boom Choco-Latte E Juice Baker Vapor
Sticky Bun E Juice Baker Vapor
Butter Pecan E Juice Baker Vapor

At the bottom are two other very useful reviews.

OP-- glad to hear you got a good one from another vendor. Disappointing juice, from whereever it comes from, is always a bummer. Sorry MBV didn't work out for you.
 
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