What are the differences between cheap and expensive setup??

[DaveP]

There are others out there with the same warranty and service, with similar price points. My ProVari simply cannot fire my rda's or RBA's as the chip limits them too much. They are good for those that just want a simple tank or high ohm'd coil. I prefer any DNA20 build over their chip for flavor and vapor. My REO VV will also, and has the exact same service and warranty as ProVape offers. My all time favorite, out of the many I have tried and owned, including the elusive Caravela, will still be the seemingly simple, but well designed from a single block of aircraft aluminum, REO Grand.

It is simply a matter of personal preference, based on personal experience with many different kinds of PV's. You may be just fine with a ProVari and not need something that can give you the flavor and vapor I love so much from dripping (without dripping). I just fell in love with fresh juice on a coil and can't go back, much to the dismay of my poor ProVari, Vamo, Zmax and Caravela

But any of these I mention are not initially inexpensive, nor are they cheap (well the Vamo and Zmax are, as you stated, cheap and not repairable so thus expensive*). What they are is something you buy once and use daily without worrying about dropping and damaging and that is what to me makes them worth every penny spent, thus inexpensive in the long run.

ETA: * unless you are Bunnykiller with talent to revamp them!

There are lots of options. MY Zmax has a 4 amp limit. The Provari 3.5A cutoff will still take a 1.2 ohm coil to 3.7v and 11.5 watts. I vape 1.8 and 2 ohm coils and find them to be tasty with voluminous clouds at 3.4v when new and to 3.7V once they break in a bit.

You are right, they won't do sub ohm vaping.

 

[yzer]

The difference between cheap and expensive is selling price. The worst quality for the selling price is at the low and high price ends of the price spectrum. The best quality for the price is at mid-price level.

 

[Hivemind]

Hi all, I am new to e-cig and currently using CE5
I am wondering what are the differences between cheap and expensive setup??
What brands are expensive? like Lamborghini and Ferrari(I just want to check them out)
Thanks ! Have a great weekend!

Hey there!
I have only been vaping for about 8 months so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I started off with a TERRIBLE Tsunami E-Cig.
It got the job done, but just had little to no flavor and short battery life.
Next I upgraded to a VV (Variable Voltage) Ego style with a Kanger Protank II and it was a very nice step-up.
The Kanger Protank gives good flavor and allows for rebuilding coils (which I have just started doing about a week ago with little success so far haha).
Be careful because it is glass and can break although I have not broke min yet after countless time of dropping it on concrete!
My wonderful girlfriend got me a Volcano Lavatube v2.5 (VV/VW) for xmas.
This thing is great! A little large, but is very well built. It has an Ohms checker built in (good for my coil building).
I just made the leap to an IGO-W. It is on its way as we speak!
Good luck to you!!

 

[sky4it]

the difference is you gots yours cheaps and your expensives from the Vaperman, yes you do, but you can get your good qualities from vaperman for LESS thats right you can, you have to think what work good and long, that called good value from the vaperman, yeah, you can get that from the vaperman, sure you can.

 

[Thunderball]

il

Politely, I take the other road.

Ce4/Ce5 style attys are the cheaper when you consider the expense in dollars and time. These items cost about $2, and last a good week - minimum. The time to fill, refill, and toss is minimum each week. Even the Kanger T3's fit into this category. These may cost a little more $5 each - and add about another 2 minutes a week to change out the premade internals and only a very few dollars more.

On the other hand, with the rebuildables, the initial expense seems high, but that is nothing compared to the amount of time consumed building your own coil assembly several times a week. Not to mention the mess, dirty hands, and sticky PV.

Just my experience to date.

I will politely disagree...

At 54 years old and with poor sight, I can heat, wrap a perfect 1.1 ohm coil, install it on any dripper or Kayfun and install a cotton wick in less than ten minutes.

This coil should last anyone 2 months. Every few days I change out the cotton which takes about 2 minutes.

The cost is so miniscule and I have a better vape than anything you can purchase anywhere with interchangable heads.

You can get a pefectly good dripper for 10 bucks that wont break...a great clone of a trident for 17 bucks.... a clone of a Kayfun starting at 13.00 and up to 50.00....or the real thing between 100 and 175.

I have absoulutely wasted so much money on CE's, evod's, protanks, I clears..... I widh I had all that money back.

Nothing like having a superior Mod or Mech (wont go there right now ) and a superior rebuildable.

Just my opinion folks... Im a satisfied customer !!

 

[bcalvanese]

Here is my take...

You get what you pay for (in most cases).

I have a Z-Max V3, and an iTaste SVD. They are my backups. If you don't mind something that is accurate to within about half a volt, works fairely well, and don't mind your delivery device getting hammered with a 6 volt pulsed signal that imulates the set voltage, You could consider these types of mods. They work pretty well if you don't mind a little harsher of a hit due to the 6 volt pulsed signal.

I also own a ProVari Mini. It is litterally all I need. If you want to pay more and get a device that is accurate to about a hundredth of a volt, is constantly tuning the output signal right down to the last hit before the battery dies, hit your delivery device with the exact voltage that it is set for (each and every time), is build to last for years and years, but costs a little more than double, you could consider this type of mod. They work like a chanp every time, and give the smoothest most consistant hit of any mod I have ever owned.

Actually, my button started flashing as I am typing this, which means my battery is going to die soon, and I am getting the same exact hit as I got when I put this battery in it.

As I said... You get what you pay for.

 

[yzer]

All the mod talked about here have there good and bad points. Go to this link and read about each of them. APV Model Specific Discussion

Good suggestion. But for many of the fine VV/VW APVs that don't have their own sub-forums go here...

Variable Voltage APV Discussion

 

[ZeroOhms]

il

I will politely disagree...

At 54 years old and with poor sight, I can heat, wrap a perfect 1.1 ohm coil, install it on any dripper or Kayfun and install a cotton wick in less than ten minutes.

This coil should last anyone 2 months. Every few days I change out the cotton which takes about 2 minutes.

The cost is so miniscule and I have a better vape than anything you can purchase anywhere with interchangable heads.

You can get a pefectly good dripper for 10 bucks that wont break...a great clone of a trident for 17 bucks.... a clone of a Kayfun starting at 13.00 and up to 50.00....or the real thing between 100 and 175.

I have absoulutely wasted so much money on CE's, evod's, protanks, I clears..... I widh I had all that money back.

Nothing like having a superior Mod or Mech (wont go there right now ) and a superior rebuildable.

Just my opinion folks... Im a satisfied customer !!

Seems like this is always the case. People with lots of experience on both carto/clearo and RDA/RBA usually prefer RDA. But those who prefer the carto/clearo usually have limited experience on RDA/RBA. Case of "it just LOOK hard and messy, so I prefer... ".
I am not taking any sides or knocking anybody. Just an observation.

 

[Thunderball]

There is just so much out there right now. It has to be so very hard for the new Vapor....especially one that doesnt cruise these forums.
I really do feel for them.

 

[bcalvanese]

There is just so much out there right now. It has to be so very hard for the new Vapor....especially one that doesnt cruise these forums.
I really do feel for them.

I agree, but on the other hand if someone is serious enough about something, they will put the legwork in to learn it (just like we did).

Thank God for the internet. I remember the days when you had to learn from books...

 

[Spazmelda]

I don't think anyone has brought up the 'overpriced' option yet. Yes, there is cheap and bad, and there is inexpensive and okay, and expensive for a reason, but there is also the overpriced category. This would be your websites and vendor who take advantage of customers who don't know better and sell an ego battery for $50, or an evod for $14.99. B&Ms will typically some mark up, but you can go in for advice so I figure some mark up is worth it, but if they are gouging I won't support them.

 

[HairyNinja]

I can tell you through my experience that the go big or go home attitude here is applicable. Money wise anyway. Figure out you budget and ten try to work within your means. Remember that at a pack a day you're spending close to $200 a month, so if you really are ready (once you try it you will love it) a good VV or mechanical mod plus a simple tank system like the protanks will pay for themselves within a about a month. I know that it sounds more like a justification for getting yourself a cool toy but between proper flavor profiles, battery lives and over all pleasantness of use they are worth it.

Started with:
2 ego twists, 5 cheap clearomizers
Problems: had to replace 3 seperate egos and the clearomizers never held up to my usage (cracking, burning wick and connectoin malfunctions)
Cost over time: ~ $200

Most reliable and good for a starter mod setup:
1 Hero Mod, 1 Kanger Protank 3, 3 18650 batts, 1 charger
Problems: none with this setup. maybe being careful not to break the pyrex on my Protank
Cost over time: ~ $300 nothing extra also except coils until I learned to rebuild

What really agitated me was that I went into my local store wanting my second setup, but for some inexplicable reason the guy told me it was for more advanced vapers. It's really not, and I wished he had upsold me after about a month of dumping money into new batteries and clearomizers.

Hope this helps.
HairyNinja

 

[Thunderball]

Seems like this is always the case. People with lots of experience on both carto/clearo and RDA/RBA usually prefer RDA. But those who prefer the carto/clearo usually have limited experience on RDA/RBA. Case of "it just LOOK hard and messy, so I prefer... ".
I am not taking any sides or knocking anybody. Just an observation.

Yeah,,, You know I WAS until very recently a big Carto Guy. Just so convenient and all....had all my IBTanks all prefilled with juice.... I always knew a dripper had the best taste because I DIY and use a dripper to test juices with...but didnt want to drip all day and dont care too much for a Reo.

Anyway, a couple months ago I was at a vape meet of sorts and vaped a couple peoples Kayfun..... GEEZ ! The flavor...the power of the hit.

That was it for me. Now I can build coils without thinking about it.


PS.. Opinions.......The Zmax is a really good mod as well as the SVD. The Zmax may be the best Mod under 100.00. The Provari is a must have if you have the money to spend and I can tell its a tastier vape (some agree, some dont).

Im using a Semovar at the moment mostly with a Hybrid adapter and Kayfun 3.1 (pretty special).... the Provaris are still used every day by family members and the SVD's are still being used and going strong after 10 months of continuous use (given to other family members and friends)

The DNA30 should be out soon so we will see how that compares to the Nivel chip (Semovar)

Mechs are getting made and copied every day it seems. Can get them anywhere at any price you care to spend. ( I just dont care to carry a pocket full of batteies for sub ohm vaping)

Its a good time to be vaping. We have so many good choices.

 

[djsvapour]

I don't think anyone has brought up the 'overpriced' option yet. Yes, there is cheap and bad, and there is inexpensive and okay, and expensive for a reason, but there is also the overpriced category. This would be your websites and vendor who take advantage of customers who don't know better and sell an ego battery for $50, or an evod for $14.99. B&Ms will typically some mark up, but you can go in for advice so I figure some mark up is worth it, but if they are gouging I won't support them.

THIS is my main reason for being on forums. I wonder if it will ever stop.

I think of it like Coffee shops. Everybody know a skinny double macchiato latte-chino costs $3-4.
Everybody who vapes knows the ball-park (is that right, I'm English!) cost of stuff.
and yet....
Such a shame.

(Sorry, I realise this thread is not really about this...)

 

[rygen87]

I completely agree. Haven't been vaping long but as soon as the tank that came with my eGo clogged I (maybe 2 weeks) knew right away an rta was the way to go.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I just prefer to buy high quality batteries and charger and pounce on Mods when they're on sale. This way I get to experience many different types of PVs but at the same time it's relatively inexpensive.
My first PV 28 months ago was a Mech Mod and, at the time, was expensive in comparison to other PVs. Except for a $10/ 2 minute repair it still looks and fires as great as the day I bought it.

 

[CosmicCatalyst]

THIS is my main reason for being on forums. I wonder if it will ever stop.

I think of it like Coffee shops. Everybody know a skinny double macchiato latte-chino costs $3-4.
Everybody who vapes knows the ball-park (is that right, I'm English!) cost of stuff.
and yet....
Such a shame.

(Sorry, I realise this thread is not really about this...)

For me it's sometimes pretty hard to even guess ballpark on stuff I'm familiar with. Everyday it seems like hundred of new versions of this and that and updated this advanced that clone this come out. With all this stuff coming out different vendors can have oddly different prices. I was looking for a protank and online vendors and B&M's has prices from $13 to $24. And then I had to pick out which version I wanted!

 

[DaveP]

New folks might be interested in the way it was in vaping. This 6 part series in the ECF Library covers all the old hardware and techniques from start to finish (2010 last update. It's interesting to browse through and look at where the vaping world started and how it progressed. It's a great history lesson.

Part 1 with links to the rest at the bottom of the last post in each section.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ping-illustrated-guide-e-cigs-part-1-6-a.html