what are we getting?

[jungletim]

hi everyone ive only been vaping for a liile over 3 months now and trying to find th right juice is proving to be a challange theres pg vg and now im hearing peg and thats the one that is troublesome for me as i hear it can do things to your kidneys. so how do we figure out what we are really getting from vendors as many are not very open to the subject? anyways my search led me to the following quote and i was just wondering what the vets or anyone els thinks?

" everybody buys juice from the same 2 or 3 or 4 factories and sticks their own name on it. I want to KNOW what I'm buying.
Exactly for this reason. Royalsmokers publishes an ingredient list too, and it's PG based. I want that. E-CIG juice kills whatever you put it in. I don't want that. PEG wrecks your kidneys and does something weird to your cells. I'll pass on that too.

You shouldn't have to GUESS if Rookie Yook, oRangiYan, Rippie Juice, etc etc etc is Royal Smokers RY4. And take your chances. With your equipment, or your life.

No store buys cases of Coca Cola and puts "Yippee Cola" on them. Because when you want to buy a Coke, you don't want to play "guess the contents". Stores don't do that. It's ridiculous.

And guess what, it is *OUR* fault for buying it, sight unseen, mystery contents, go ahead and let me stick that in my lungs. Whoops, there goes a kidney. OMG.

For a chemical that you are *ingesting* it is beyond reason for resellers to "relabel" this stuff as their own, and not provide documentation as to what it is. No other industry does this. And if nic-juice was an official food item, or pharma item, it would even be ILLEGAL every country I know of.

Here you go - challenge to resellers. TELL US WHAT YOU ARE SELLING US.

Repeat sales come from service, quality, and prices.... that's the magic formula.

Not by having the "coolest" name on your "top secret" juice. That's just wrong.

That's my opinion.... anybody agree?"

 

[Kurt]

I agree, but I don't think it is going to happen any time soon. Most will tell you the PG/VG/PEG mix and thinner they use if you ask them. Flavors, however, can be a secret. Even pure flavors, like Capella's French Toast, are a mixture of flavor compounds, usually in PG, and that mixture is often a secret. Some flavor vendors, like Flavor Apprentice, will tell you exactly what is in them if you ask, but some will not.

As for the "vehicle" (PG or VG or mix, etc), I don't know of a vendor that will not tell you if asked. But then I DIY my own juices, so I know better about what is actually in them, and can find my own favorite blend every time. For me its 10% flavor, 12% distilled water, and the rest nic and VG.

Many, many here DIY, because it is fun, way cheaper, and you know what you are vaping better.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Firstly, are you sure you are not confusing PEG with DEG? DEG (diethylene glycol) is poisonous and can kill, while PEG (polyethylene glycol) is widely used in medicines and food, and has low toxicity. DEG has been implicated in poisonings, in things from counterfeit tooth paste to counterfeit glycerine.

It may have once been true that every reseller sold relabelled products from one of a few Chinese manufacturers. This isn't really the case now. It does certainly still happen, but there is also now a growing "cottage industry" of small companies offering locally mixed e-liquid. That potentially brings it's own set of problems of course. Pretty much anyone can start up a 'juice mixing' business at present.

But I do agree with the main thrust of your post, and think that the industry should strive to improve labelling to at least the standards that are required in the food industry. That can be done without giving away trade secrets or exact formula's. Selling liquids in barely labelled, non child proof bottles is not good enough in my opinion. In fact where I am, it's illegal, and will potentially get your business closed down.