What are you going to do, Imeo?

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Chrissie

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The safety issues (as well as the beauty, superb workmanship & reliability) was the reason for me buying one of Imeo's first mods - a GG Grant. Since way back then, I've bought a GGTS & GG Stealth. All still work as well as the day I bought them & IMHO nothing compares to them :)
 

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Imeo is already in voluntary compliance w/GGTS
With all due respect, I'd have to disagree.

Have you read the requirements of EMSS ? While I don't agree with much of what's going on, the pragmatic side of me says it's not going away.

The specific use case that I would think would be of issue issue is stated in exception #2, which talks about bottom venting in the event of a swollen bottom battery. In that the lack of top venting will likely be seen as problematic per EMSS.

Again, I am not a fan of the provisions, but that doesn't prevent me from looking at them and seeing how they might be applied.

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With all due respect, I'd have to disagree.

Have you read the requirements of EMSS ? While I don't agree with much of what's going on, the pragmatic side of me says it's not going away.

The specific use case that I would think would be of issue issue is stated in exception #2, which talks about bottom venting in the event of a swollen bottom battery. In that the lack of top venting will likely be seen as problematic per EMSS.

Again, I am not a fan of the provisions, but that doesn't prevent me from looking at them and seeing how they might be applied.

-Z


I probably should not have said compliance even though GGTS has many vent holes. The key here is the following statement in the thread:::

There is no requirement for any mod manufacturer to have their products comply, at any time - either now or after June 2012. However, after that date, we will begin to advise buyers that caution is advisable when buying a metal tube mod, and they may wish to purchase a product that complies with EMSS since ECF considers such mods to be safe.
 

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This i can agree with, as long as non-complience is an acceptable outcome.

Personally I'm all in favor of buyer choice and education. Most go into a GG for well understood reasons. Battery safety above and beyond a hot spring is generally not one of them.

That said, being on the list of compliant vendors doesn't suck, but probably isn't going to shake things up to much.

HAd to throw it out there, just to be sure..

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To be honest, I think that to encompass every scenario a tube mod would have to look like a cheese grater! :laugh: Even the mods that now utilize side tube vents do not account for the case of the battery swelling above or below the point of their vents.

To cover every potential event, the vents would have to run the length of the tube and to be blunt, I simply don't see that as being adopted by the user base of PV's in general until or unless it is mandated by regulatory law with enforcement.

As a cop, I would analogize this to wearing helmet for motorcycle riders. Most states (including my own) have had laws that require riders to wear a helmet under penalty provided by law. Motorcylce accidents are infinitely more frequent and deadly than PV accidents but in the USA, most lawmakers have come to the point that there are more pressing needs for enforcement duties than the use or not of a helmet.

The result? Bike rider deaths from head injuries are at an all time high. Sounds like an odd time to do away with the lawful requirement of a helmet, yes? The bottom line though is that the person most affected by not wearing a helmet is the user. The same goes for PV's.

Until there is documentary evidence to show that more than the user is likely to be injured in a catastrophic thermal runaway event of a PV, even with regulatons in place, don't expect to see the majority of users adopting the "safer" cheese grater tubes. I would have to say I am one of the biggest GG fan boys on ECF but even I can look to other makers as examples.

The Provari is one of the biggest selling PV's yet outside it's electronic circuitry, it only has one pin hole vent in its cap. I have a used one and to be frank, wouldn't waste my time with it if it were all slotted up, even if it made it much more safe. And I have had a Chinese PV (eGo clone) go into thermal runaway. I have seen first hand what CAN happen.

It just isn't frequent enough to justify (for me) taking what are now common safety precautions. Like the motorcycle helmet issue - I have seen more bodies in morgues over the decades that wouldn't likely be there but for the use of a helmet. At the end of the day though, we all have to make our own decisions as to what level of safety we are comfortable with.

The only way to be 100% safe with a motorcycle is to not ride one. The same can be said for a PV but the risk I take using a PV is at least for my thoughts, far less deadly than using real cigarettes. The safety precautions Imeo includes are more than adequate for my tastes and feel to be blunt, that more would only serve to dilute the GG. No disrespect to any other opinion - just again, my 2 cents.
 
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A ... men.

The whole issue stems from knock off batteries. I buy mine from well respected vendors, and test them frequently.

I do have an aversion to my PV blowing up in my hand, but also feel I can be all grown up about it, and do some self prevention to avoid it. I detest a nanny state that assumes I can't take care of my-self. Sadly as I look at the world around me a can only shake my head in frustration and admit to the need.

Tis a pitiful world we live in when I can admit there are to many who simply can't think for themselves. Gladly it's not prevalent here as the price point of GG, as well as some others (provari for one) isn't appealing to the demographic needing the guidance.

-Z
 

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Thats true dspin, thanks a lot. I just want to make a small change to the GGTS. I want to remove the lock option to the front cap. Is this a good idea or not you think?

I like the sounds of the battery cap being the lock mechanism. personally I can't stand the knurling (to hard to clean and polish) and a shorter button sounds awesome to me... and I also think the hole for removing the atty connector is unneeded and unsightly (I prefer to not have it) my :2c:
 

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A ... men.

The whole issue stems from knock off batteries. I buy mine from well respected vendors, and test them frequently.

I do have an aversion to my PV blowing up in my hand, but also feel I can be all grown up about it, and do some self prevention to avoid it. I detest a nanny state that assumes I can't take care of my-self. Sadly as I look at the world around me a can only shake my head in frustration and admit to the need.

Tis a pitiful world we live in when I can admit there are to many who simply can't think for themselves. Gladly it's not prevalent here as the price point of GG, as well as some others (provari for one) isn't appealing to the demographic needing the guidance.

-Z

No, I think the whole issue stems from a gross lack of personal accountability, hence the need for everybody else to cover their own arses. I understand the principle of what ECF is trying to do, they want to protect the community as a whole, but I don't necessarily agree with how they're going about it. If my PV blew up in my face, I wouldn't go about blaming everybody else or suing anyone I can find the slightest legal liability for, I'd be looking for the root cause of the blow-up. Yes, batteries when charging can be highly dangerous, even though the chances of anything happening are slim, but when something happens during use it's almost always user error (whether it be inappropriate batteries in use or buying cheapo knock-offs, etc) and the only person responsible is the user IMHO :2c:

Anyway, I'm gonna stop right there because I could go on all day about the lack of personal accountability in our society and not run out of breath . . .

Sorry if that sounded hostile, Z, it wasn't directed at you or anybody else here. That subject has always been a VERY big pet peeve of mine :evil:
 
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The problem as I see it is that if there are a high number of accidents it will draw scrutiny from the media and from the government. (I'm listing those separately although I feel they are one in the same here in the US) The vaping community does not need more negative press. Whatever can be done to mitigate the exposure by eliminating shady sellers is a good idea.

JMHO. I'm sure that there are plenty of valid arguments on either side of this.
 

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I totally agree with that, Huff. I just think there are better ways and other "guidelines" that can be put forward than the current safety specifications. I feel a lot safer with any of my past or current mods than I would with something of substandard quality that just barely met the currently suggested safety specs
 

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I like how we as a vaping community talk about getting "negative press" from the VERY FEW "accidents" or "incidents" that have happened. We seem to forget what the alternative is.
What has the tobacco industry done about the hundreds of thousands of smoking related deaths each year. No negative press there, it's expected, it's become the "norm"
 
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