What do you think about temperature control devices?

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crxess

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Have not seen this. I did see someone posting incorrect information and declaring something to literally cause cancer, based on a lack of understanding and knowledge. That is similar to the ANTZ attitude and is to be dealt with similarly.

Should not be so closed minded or narrow as to only see the Negative as an attack. You and I both know we are inundated with loosely associated studies and materials and for the Newer Vapor those articles/studies are a point of confusion and concern.
I have made the same mistakes in the Past and learned from discussions on the matters.

No need to shoot the messenger for reading the message - Educate instead.
 

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^TP is more about 'peace of mind'. Knowing that however I crank up my wattage (whether intentionally or by error) my build isn't going to fry.

Dry hits, How? As long as you don't have wicking issues and the feed system is working correctly - the build would remain saturated - thus vapor!

Connectivity? The same applies to our regular Kanthal builds, tho a tad seriousness is required with Ni200. As long as the wire legs are well terminalled and you don't have a finicky 510ed atty - you are good with TP. There are certain attys which should be avoided for TP builds (e.g. K4, R-91 Black, SQR, Estia to name a few) for the rest and most attys TP works just fine.

Having toilet paper does give me a peace of mind. I think I'm fairly good with toilet paper as well, no brown hand accidents so far. Although I'm not sure about doing toilet paper builds...
 

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^TP is more about 'peace of mind'. Knowing that however I crank up my wattage (whether intentionally or by error) my build isn't going to fry.

Dry hits, How? As long as you don't have wicking issues and the feed system is working correctly - the build would remain saturated - thus vapor!

Connectivity? The same applies to our regular Kanthal builds, tho a tad seriousness is required with Ni200. As long as the wire legs are well terminalled and you don't have a finicky 510ed atty - you are good with TP. There are certain attys which should be avoided for TP builds (e.g. K4, R-91 Black, SQR, Estia to name a few) for the rest and most attys TP works just fine.

Also generally connectivity issues manifest as less performance, not overperformance.
 

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I just realized that current temperature control devices require nickel coils, which is not the safest metal

Metal Toxicity: Health Dangers of Nickel - Global Healing Center

Sucks. Will stick to VW/VV mods, Kanthal coils and organic cotton wicks, for now at least

To chime in on my thoughts aswell; I dont think the ni200 will be a issue.

back when I got pierce, the number one thing stressed to me by my piercer was to get qualiy jewelry. Why, I asked, and was told to make sure it was nickel free. I was told extended contact with nickel alloys or nickel in general can lead to a nickel allergy.

Fast forward to the introduction of the DNA 40, and now that was the very first thing that ran through my mind. So I got to thinking about it and decided, for myself, it wouldnt be a risk. Heres why I feel so;

1: The coil is in no way direct contact with myself.
2: Nickel requires extremely high temps iirc before it begins to emit toxic vapors.
3: even if the juice/wick leech nickel from the wire, it still wont be vaporized since its not only too dense, but because the high melting point. Its kinda like coloring, and why you dont get green or blue vapor from said colored ejuices.

Ultimately, its for everyone to decide for themselves until further information comes out. But to me, and by my logic, it seems safe enough.
 

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I personally would Not take Allergy advice from a Jeweler/Piercer. Specialist in the field are a more reliable source.

Generally, but not always, Exposure over time builds the immune system. <Recent Peanut Allergy study>

As to our usage - Inhalation - only Time and close study will tell.

I would, considering its pretty much a standard to use Surgical Steel, Titanium, or Niobium in fresh piercings. I dont blindly listen to others ^^ Although considering it IS a piercer's field to know whether or not a metal can be or is toxic. Thats why you get a GOOD piercer, and not a mall job wacko. my 2 cents.

But as I said; I dont think it would be a issue because again; The coil has no direct contact, Nickel is too heavy, and has too high of a melting point to be vaporized. If anything, its probably better to use ni200 than kanthal because of its purity. imo anyways, since I'm no metalurgist nor a "specialist in the field." Which I doubt anyone else on these forums are either.
 

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Variable voltage as well, or any type of regulation. VW was cited since it was the same company.

The ability to control temperature is a fundamental change in vaping that has never been seen before.

I have VV mods and non regulated mods. I get a great vape from either... VW doesn't take into account so many factors I would never get the ideal vape setting wattage...
 

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I picked up a Vaporshark DNA40 and some nickel wire from the Vaporshark store in Miami last week. I put 32G 10 wrap dual coil builds into a Magma and a Rogue. I can't really detect any flavor difference from my Kanthal builds for the first 90% of my drip cycle. It's near the end where the DNA40 shines. I never get dry hits or burnt taste when trying to squeeze that last vape or two out of my RDA. The DNA40 smoothly vapes my wicks dry. So dry that I can easily change flavors without the need to rewick. I also find nickel wire easier to wrap than Kanthal.

The DNA40 isn't enough of a game changer for me to give up my non TC box mods and mechs, but if I had a choice between a TC device and non TC device, all else being equal, I'd get a TC device.
 

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not dissing on ya, but please elaborate =)

Set it and forget it is a myth,for me. All my e-liquids taste different at different power levels. I almost always use the same resistance coils, but I wouldn't get the ideal vape if I vaped everything at the same amount of power. Some e-liquids are better at lower power; some shine at higher power. There is also viscosity to account for and ambient temperature. VW can't figure out any of that. Only knowledge of one's attys, mods and e-liquid can get the ideal vape- for me, so I adjust the voltage to get an ideal vape. Perhaps I have a greater sense of taste than most...

Some e-liquids I don't vape on my non regulated PV-1s- like complex flavors or tobaccos. I mostly vape menthols on them...

VW can be great for beginners, though...
 

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especially in light of recent studies (which might not be totally accurate).

Here is my thoughts.

At a high temperature PG/VG based liquid may produce carbonyls and it seems safer to use a temperature control device to avoid coil overheating. Just voltage / wattage readings become less relevant if you don't know the temperature of the coil.

Since VG (554 F) has a higher boiling point than PG (373 F) it's safer to use it in a coil heating device.

For example, DNA 40 device allow you to set the temperature of the coil to 450F which is way less than a boiling point of glycerol (554 F) and keep it at the same level regardless of the coil resistance (sub or above ohm). Set it and forget it.

I am not an expert by any stretch, so what do you think?

wow ... I prefer high VG and thanks for that info on it being safer.

Like most I've always liked full vapor production along with optimal flavor...

and have spent years with sub ohms and thick wire, on mechs and then later, high wattage boxes.

But then I moved "back" to 30g wire, LR resistances (1 to 2.5 ohms) and higher voltages (4 to 7v)... for a more consistently satisfying vape with less occasion for burning.

Now I am convinced that I can get all that even moreso with TP and Ni200... I won't vape anything else unless I have to.

People talk about flavor being most important and I agree, and IMO the flavor benefits of TP are the most attractive feature...

because sure, you can "control" your vape with kanthal/nichrome and the appropriate gauge, and the right v/w etc. but invariably you're going to get that dry hit, especially if you are using thicker wire and higher watts, more often than you would want. Not only is this not desirable from a health stand point but its going to affect flavor.

The best way to control your vape at this stage in the game is with TP.
 

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Why should these be avoided? I've been saving up money for one specifically for TP.

B'coz of connectivity and/or their build preferences.

~K4: Spring in the 510
~R91-Black: Really short 510 screw
~SQR: Juice invariably gets into the 510
~Estia: Basically a tri-coil design

Amazing attys all the above btw for a kanthal setup.
 

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Set it and forget it is a myth,for me. All my e-liquids taste different at different power levels. I almost always use the same resistance coils, but I wouldn't get the ideal vape if I vaped everything at the same amount of power. Some e-liquids are better at lower power; some shine at higher power. There is also viscosity to account for and ambient temperature. VW can't figure out any of that. Only knowledge of one's attys, mods and e-liquid can get the ideal vape- for me, so I adjust the voltage to get an ideal vape. Perhaps I have a greater sense of taste than most...

Some e-liquids I don't vape on my non regulated PV-1s- like complex flavors or tobaccos. I mostly vape menthols on them...

VW can be great for beginners, though...

You do understand that wattage is power, right? And it is generally adjustable to a finer degree than voltage.
 
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