What do you think about temperature control devices?

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milescadre

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It isn't even hot or cold. I like a cool vape with flavor and throat hit. Some just taste better with more power; doesn't make it a warmer vape at the power I vape at; I use 1.8-2.2 ohm coils at 3.3-4.2 volts...

I said power affects taste. I change the power by adjusting voltage.

"Set it and forget it, " was the slogan of VW when it came out...

That's probably great for your style of vaping. Not necessary for mine, though...

But by adjusting your wattage/voltage (because if you bump your voltage anywhere between 3.3-4.2v, you defintiely changing your wattage), irregardless whethr you get a cool or hot vape the coil itself gets hotter or colder. I can get a very cool vape from 40w on my subtank @ 0.5 ohms, and I can get a very warm vape from a protank on 1.8 ohms at 10w.

IE, I tend to vape Bowdens mate around 28w. I find this brings out the chocolate notes alot better. But Grey ghost tends to vape very well at 23w, to bring out the floral notes. Same tank, same build, same device, just different juices.

Also, ANY vaper, new or old, knows very well that there is no such thing as a "set and forget" device. But furthermore, why are you arguing your point of only using VV (which vw is a type of vv anyways, it just uses a chip to do the math) on a tpic relating to Temperature Control? Nobody ever said TC is a fire and forget system, we're just saying that its great that for once you dont have to worry about utterly destroying your daily builds. Power users will not enjoy the 40w limitation of the device, but the average user will.

This is why it may be great for new and inexperienced vapers. Some of us don't have those problems...

Dont tell me youre perfect and never have burned a coil. And tbh, with how much of a pain it is to work with nickel, not to mention the price point, I'd never recommend a dna 40 device to a new user.
 

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But by adjusting your wattage/voltage (because if you bump your voltage anywhere between 3.3-4.2v, you defintiely changing your wattage), irregardless whethr you get a cool or hot vape the coil itself gets hotter or colder. I can get a very cool vape from 40w on my subtank @ 0.5 ohms, and I can get a very warm vape from a protank on 1.8 ohms at 10w.

IE, I tend to vape Bowdens mate around 28w. I find this brings out the chocolate notes alot better. But Grey ghost tends to vape very well at 23w, to bring out the floral notes. Same tank, same build, same device, just different juices.

Also, ANY vaper, new or old, knows very well that there is no such thing as a "set and forget" device. But furthermore, why are you arguing your point of only using VV (which vw is a type of vv anyways, it just uses a chip to do the math) on a tpic relating to Temperature Control? Nobody ever said TC is a fire and forget system, we're just saying that its great that for once you dont have to worry about utterly destroying your daily builds. Power users will not enjoy the 40w limitation of the device, but the average user will.



Dont tell me youre perfect and never have burned a coil. And tbh, with how much of a pain it is to work with nickel, not to mention the price point, I'd never recommend a dna 40 device to a new user.

When VW came out it was sold as "set it and forget it" search the forums. Some else one brought up VW saying it was one of the most innovative things in vaping, when it is really just a different way to control power.

No, I don't get burned coils or burned Alpaca fiber wicks. Never. I vape at low power levels. and what would now be considered high ohm resistance.

Many new vapers are steered to high power, 'advanced' user devices, which is why temp control would be beneficial to them. The $50 'clones' and PRC temp control devices are already coming out...
 

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Nobody ever said TC is a fire and forget system, we're just saying that its great that for once you dont have to worry about utterly destroying your daily builds.
Never had that FEAR.................until now...............errr............Nope, still don't :)

With TC - May as well remove VV/VW from the screen as it is non relevant information ;)
 

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Never had that FEAR.................until now...............errr............Nope, still don't :)

With TC - May as well remove VV/VW from the screen as it is non relevant information ;)

Mhmm, I concur. Though I keep mine at 430* 25w. That way I hit either 25w or 430*f first

Might play around with it more tonight.

also, steve, I cant convince you otherwise. I've given my opinions and thoughts on the subject. I use a multitud of devices ranging from my silver dog hybrid genesis, to my ipv2, to my new vaporshark dna40. Of all the devices, I still use em all each day. I think temp control is a wonderful feature, and it gives a bit more peace of mind. I'm not saying its worth the high cost, and tbh I wouldnt trust a clone board with temp control right now (we still have clone boards using mean instead of RMS for crying out loud.... look at the jellyfish), however, its a great innovation and I'd be willing to bet by the end of july we'll see ALOT of devices and tanks being TC capable.

My 2 cents
 

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This is not true.

Yes it is true Dr. G. When talking about true Temperature Control devices, Watts, volts and ohms do not matter. A true TC device will fire at a set temperature every time. The DNA40 is not true TC. How can you change Watts or volts up and down without changing the temperature? The answer is "you can't." DNA40 is just temperature limiting.
 

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Yes it is true Dr. G. When talking about true Temperature Control devices, Watts, volts and ohms do not matter. A true TC device will fire at a set temperature every time. The DNA40 is not true TC. How can you change Watts or volts up and down without changing the temperature? The answer is "you can't." DNA40 is just temperature limiting.

In any temperature controlling device, seeing real-time data is useful.
 

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Yes it is true Dr. G. When talking about true Temperature Control devices, Watts, volts and ohms do not matter. A true TC device will fire at a set temperature every time. The DNA40 is not true TC. How can you change Watts or volts up and down without changing the temperature? The answer is "you can't." DNA40 is just temperature limiting.

You clearly have never used a DNA 40. The wattage is the ramp up time. Set your device to 10 W and see if you ever get near your set temperature.
 

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You clearly have never used a DNA 40. The wattage is the ramp up time. Set your device to 10 W and see if you ever get near your set temperature.

That's a good way of putting it, I think. Higher wattage will get you to your setpoint faster, it becomes irrelevant once the setpoint is reached.
 

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This is not true.

In any temperature controlling device, seeing real-time data is useful.

Useful yes, Necessary No. Sure you can set LOW and maybe Never reach the Temp limit, but then what is its use in the situation?

Babble and sideways comments do NOT help the argument for TC. I have no issue with the Concept and see a future for TC devices but Short selling as the only way and insulting others opinions looses TC valuable ground.

Can you even run a minimal wind coil from NI-200 build at 10w? :blink:
 

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I posted this in another thread but I'm going to add it here.

I have a couple different DNA40 devices and my first thought is they released it to soon, they didn't have the technology completely ready for the release.

It's nice for the enthusiasts, someone that has been building a while but building can easily become frustrating if you don't like to experiment and play until you find your sweet spot. The folks that could use the technology the most, the beginners really can't benefit yet. Just my opinion.

I prefer titanium at this point. And the DNA40 while it produces a nice vape can be a PITA. You need a good RDA or RTA, great contact points, the wire needs to be solid under your screws and clean 510 connections (real clean). If there is a weak spot in your build or topper the DNA40 will find it. Personally I think it's a very unforgiving chip but that's just my opinion.
 

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Useful yes, Necessary No. Sure you can set LOW and maybe Never reach the Temp limit, but then what is its use in the situation?

Can you even run a minimal wind coil from NI-200 build at 10w? :blink:

Usefull yes, I watched the screen constantly when I got the device. Now I know it and rarely look at the screen.

Not sure what your last line means, except to say of course one can.
 

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Useful yes, Necessary No. Sure you can set LOW and maybe Never reach the Temp limit, but then what is its use in the situation?

Babble and sideways comments do NOT help the argument for TC. I have no issue with the Concept and see a future for TC devices but Short selling as the only way and insulting others opinions looses TC valuable ground.

Can you even run a minimal wind coil from NI-200 build at 10w? :blink:

you can, but it isnt worht it as one may imagine =P

I find I run my 26g ni-200 build (I think it was 12 wraps?) in my subtank at 460*/30w. vapes perfectly ^^ but I agree, DNA 40 is a very unforgiving chip. I went through 7 builds before I got this one to work miraculously
 

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Useful yes, Necessary No. Sure you can set LOW and maybe Never reach the Temp limit, but then what is its use in the situation?

It is more necessary than you probably understand. Seeing how the board reacts tells you everything about what is going inside the atomizer. If you want to change things, not knowing what is going on makes it much more difficult to make the changes you want. You could just flounder around, sure, but that's not a strong case to make.

Can you even run a minimal wind coil from NI-200 build at 10w? :blink:

What?
 

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It is more necessary than you probably understand. Seeing how the board reacts tells you everything about what is going inside the atomizer. If you want to change things, not knowing what is going on makes it much more difficult to make the changes you want. You could just flounder around, sure, but that's not a strong case to make.



What?

Sounds like an old VV/VW Screen argument. If you are going to vape Temp then Vape temp. To warm, lower temp. To cool, Raise temp.

As to What - vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
You clearly have never used a DNA 40. The wattage is the ramp up time. Set your device to 10 W and see if you ever get near your set temperature.

(What?) was my confusion also. Why bother with TC and 10w applications.:blink:
 

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Sounds like an old VV/VW Screen argument. If you are going to vape Temp then Vape temp. To warm, lower temp. To cool, Raise temp.

Doesn't quite work that way.

(What?) was my confusion also. Why bother with TC and 10w applications.:blink:

Wattage and temperature are not directly related.
 
I concur that TC is a pain in the ... to get right. But, when you do get it right it's an absolute game changer. Set it to your preferred temp, and have the wattage high enough, and it will give you that instant vape you're looking for. No ramp up time, no pulsing.
Again this is if you can get your build right. It took me five tries on my lemo but now it has worked perfectly on my hana Dna40 V4S for 2.5 days straight.

Also, I have not had to change the wicking through 25 mls of juice so far (OJC)
 
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