What do you think - Tank or RDA for MTL

[evan le'garde]

Been wicking rta's for years. I can go for months with no dry hits at all. Then out of the blue i'll get a dry hit. I'll open it up and take a look and find one end of the wick isn't saturated. Takes five minutes to install a new wick. So no real drama. I use a kayfun V4. It's easy to wick usually, but the wick needs to sit in the wells in a way which allows the juice to flow whilst at the same time prevents the coil from flooding. Sometimes i just pack the wick too tightly.

 

[ArminF]

agree @evan le'garde

Thinking about DL that you have your throat and lung to "mix" the vape as it travels down into your lung could this be the chimney on MTL? I mean the vape travels so it does start to circle on the edges which would mix it.

The RDAs from the "beginning" had pretty long drip tips as well. All this short, wide bore stuff came much later.

 

[evan le'garde]

agree @evan le'garde

Thinking about DL that you have your throat and lung to "mix" the vape as it travels down into your lung could this be the chimney on MTL? I mean the vape travels so it does start to circle on the edges which would mix it.

The RDAs from the "beginning" had pretty long drip tips as well. All this short, wide bore stuff came much later.

I don't know you know !. I just see the pragmatic elements in the design. You know, the physical presence of the chimney was included in the design specifically to allow for a tank to be part of that overall design. And i don't think there is any chance that this could also, coincidentally, be something which affects the production of the vapour.

I mean, i mentioned the Prime earlier. Personally, although i haven't even used one, the smaller chamber isn't going to change anything to do with flavour or anything else. I think it's laughable !.

Throat hit comes from nicotine. Raise the power and use more Propylene Glycol and you can produce a harsher vapour which some vapers like to call a throat hit and they are satisfied with that. Me, i just think it's harsh. But less nicotine would be the way to go if what a vaper wants is to eventually cut it out completely, so good for them !.

If the e liquid i'm using has enough nicotine in it i'll get what i consider is a satisfying throat hit. At 11.5 watts, a 1 ohm no frills coil- five wraps- built with 29g kanthal with an inner diameter of 2mm, my 24mg D.I.Y e liquid is all i need for a throat hit.

Flavour is neither here nor there and i keep it to a minimum anyway at 7.5%. And really, i read threads where vapers talk about 20% - 30% flavouring. And that isn't too much apparently. So flavour, for me, it's apparent enough at 7.5%. If i want more then i'd add more flavouring to my D.I.Y liquid, but i don't need it. But then someone will say adding more flavouring to increase flavour will produce a chemical tasting vapour. But there's those who say they use high levels of flavouring and there's no mention of a chemical taste from those folks.

I think a lot of the variables which seem to be mentioned in threads in a forum such as this only exist in the minds of the people who write about them. I'm not saying there aren't variables, i just think some of them are imaginary !.

 

[Opinionated]

agree @evan le'garde

Thinking about DL that you have your throat and lung to "mix" the vape as it travels down into your lung could this be the chimney on MTL? I mean the vape travels so it does start to circle on the edges which would mix it.

The RDAs from the "beginning" had pretty long drip tips as well. All this short, wide bore stuff came much later.

As far as the question you asked as far as flavor.

I have both a Hastur (RTA) and am Ammit (RDA) sitting in front of me and the flavor is identical for both, a nice flavorful moist vape on both.

However, most people believe RDA's are more flavorful; it's certainly easy/easier to get tons of flavor out of an RDA than it is an RTA to which even I will agree with.

So, if you want the better flavor with less hassle then go with an RDA and a squonker..

 

[evan le'garde]

I don't know if there's a sticky which describes the basic differences between wicking RDA's and RTA's.

Whether it mentions the tails of wicks in an RDA can sit around randomly without any specific placement. And only the "snugness" of the wick in the coil matters.

Or in complete contrast, an RTA requires a wick's tails to be placed in a very specific way. The "snugness" of the wick in the coil matters too. And each differently designed RTA requires it's own unique method for a successfully wicked coil and wells. And owning multiple RTA's which are all different would illustrate that placement of wick tails differ from tank to tank.

 

[evan le'garde]

Personally, i'd be happy with a topper which had a deck above the tank, where the deck just had a hole either side of the coil so the cotton wick could just be passed through to the bottom of the tank. I wouldn't care about juice getting in upper deck. It would be a tank which i used when i'm at home, it would always remain upright so not a problem. No leaks, no wicking issues, simple !. What could possibly go wrong ?.

 

[Opinionated]

Personally, i'd be happy with a topper which had a deck above the tank, where the deck just had a hole either side of the coil so the cotton wick could just be passed through to the bottom of the tank. I wouldn't care about juice getting in upper deck. It would be a tank which i used when i'm at home, it would always remain upright so not a problem. No leaks, no wicking issues, simple !. What could possibly go wrong ?.

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[Eskie]

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Authentic Limitless + can be found for ~$15 if you want to go all out with a dual coil. Even has a silicone plug if you really want single coil. And it holds like 6 ml, as much as some squonk bottles.

Bottom line is there's plenty on the market of all sorts of RTAs and RDAs to meet your needs. Just pick one and see how it fits you. Sometimes we so overthink this stuff rather than just sitting back, grabbing a vape, and enjoying it.

 

[vapdivrr]

been a rebuildable mtl vapor forever , started with gennys and now rtas. I have tried multiple times to squonk and use mtl rtas, but just cannot get the intensity from those that I get with rtas. Without a chimney, I just feel the TH is too weak for me and that's with 24mg.

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[vapdivrr]

I dont know for sure if it's a chimney or whatever, but I cannot vape an RDA because it just doesn't have the intensity of my rtas. I have tried many times and spent a lot of money for mtl squonking RDA and regular rdas and they just dont provide the same intensity imo. I always thought it was the chimney, but it can be the thin tube chimney top ? Not sure but there is a definite difference

Honestly !, i believe that a chimney's only function is to keep the tank full of liquid seperate from the coil assembly. That's the only practical use it has as far as i can see. People can say what they want but it's a fundamental aspect of an RTA's design. If chimney's coincidentally changed how vapour was produced i'd say that particular design aspect would have been applied to all types of devices which produce vapour.

Some RDA manufacturers would have been making these devices for years.

So RDA's don't have chimneys because they don't have a tank to bypass. And RDA's don't have chimney's because chimneys don't make any difference to anything vapour related.

The diameter of a "drip tip", however, is an altogether different story. But that would only change the amount of vapour produced by allowing more or less suction.

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[ArminF]

-> ALL
thank you very much for that discussion. Very good points, explanations and reasons.

maybe its a kind of life circle for me. Startet with a tank, went to RDAs/RDTAs, squonking. Tried all kind of atomizer and pods to come back to a tank . I was really curious what you think and have to say that this is a very good discussion.

And YES, imagination can move mountains. We use to say here.
Flavour will always be something very personal. Same for throat hit.

 

[jbash99]

Aren't the rta's for more advanced users?? Im new, but I just use coils, not sure the difference yet I guess. Any suggestions?

RDA=rebuildable dripping atomizer
RTA=rebuildable tank atomizer
Not being snarky, but they are different animals alltogether.

 

[brewbear]

Aren't the rta's for more advanced users?? Im new, but I just use coils, not sure the difference yet I guess. Any suggestions?

Short answer, not if you do your homework!
Meaning, the difference between RTA and tank with "drop in" coils is the ability to tailor the vape you get from an rta. Case in point, I own 4 Dvarw tanks that I use daily, two of them MTL (restricted draw like a cigarette) with 1.4-ish ohm coils at 10 watts with a 1.0 mm air insert. The other two have 0.58 ohm fused clapton coils, 2.0 mm air inserts and I use them for restricted DL at 25 watts or so.
The better question is what type of vaper are you, MTL or DL? There has been a plethora of tanks hitting the market that claim to be MTL but honestly, as far as I'm concerned, for the most part they are wolves in sheep's clothing.
An RTA will require you are able to make a coil and wick it. I started with a Aspire Nautilus and a month later I bought my first rta. It really isn't hard tho in the beginning it can be a bit frustrating, could make the Pope swear! Any questions you may have, we can help.

 

[Opinionated]

nvm..