What does your doctor say?
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MY GP LOVES it. My Surgeon LOVES it. My Dentist LOVES it. It's just awful 
cuz they all force me to vape in their offices. Just did a get together with medical practitioners and out of 43 attendees 38 stated they would advise smoking clients to use the PV.
cuz they all force me to vape in their offices. Just did a get together with medical practitioners and out of 43 attendees 38 stated they would advise smoking clients to use the PV.
Funny I never thought of quitting e-cigs, they are just too good for quitting haha..
Hairball has not got his bottle feed plasma cutter mod perfected yet.
My doctor doesn't like it, but likes the death sticks much less. He wants me to drop my PV too. Want in one hand....
Not happening.
Hairball has not got his bottle feed plasma cutter mod perfected yet.
My doctor doesn't like it, but likes the death sticks much less. He wants me to drop my PV too. Want in one hand....
Not happening.
Just make sure the hand with the want is the one he is using to checking your tonsils
I am 58 and started messing with cigarettes about age 14 (1968). I dropped the burners (tobacco cig) in Feb 2012 and started using e-cigs. Amazed that I don't feel need to burn (smoke) tobacco! Told my doctor in April, he said try to cut back on the nicotine next. I toke more frequently, but not as long. It is not the same as smoking a whole cig. So don't know if this will help me quit. Would like to know more about the chemicals used in the e-cig, besides the nicotine.
What is this doctor you speak of? Doctors are for only for excessively rich, and excessively poor people here in America.
My doctor asked me if he could have my PV when I died. He's not sentimental.
With apologies to George Burns.
With apologies to George Burns.
What!! Don't Canadian medical practitioners get wined and dined by BP reps enough to know better than that?MY GP LOVES it. My Surgeon LOVES it. My Dentist LOVES it. It's just awful
Isn't anybody thinking about the BP stockholders??
As someone else pointed out it was actually both. It was also quite a scandal in China itself having killed a few infants and sickened another 300,000 or so (infants with kidney stones).
Be aware that this was not an accidental contamination but was done intentionally.
I also found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/world/asia/11beijing.html?_r=1&ref=melamine
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A former journalist who became the public face of a campaign seeking justice for children harmed by tainted dairy products was sentenced Wednesday to two and a half years in prison on charges that his efforts disrupted social harmony."
They also kept the findings under wraps for at least a month after officials learned about the contamination.
Say what you will about the US food industry, but I know from experience that recalls of food are taken very seriously and wide nets are cast in an effort to reduce risk. These are costly and no company wants to go through that so high standards are maintained.
I guarantee you there are no USDA officials inspecting Chinese dairy operations. You can argue that there aren't enough monitoring things in the US, but they are present in beef plants watching every head of cattle that gets slaughtered and they can shut everything down whenever they want.
I can't remember hearing of any food or drug products in the US which were intentionally contaminated, can you? I am certain that if there were criminal prosecutions would follow.
I'm not sure which US executives you think should be in prison but there are a few execs and businessmen who have been convicted and sentenced to serve time.
I don't think it's self-righteous at all to be a bit concerned about some of the business, food safety and humane practices which go on in other parts of the world especially when they could potentially harm us.
The US does a very poor job at inspecting imports of food compared to other countries, particularly those in Europe. Food and drugs produced here are in fact more closely monitored.
The last couple months both I and my wife have had to see several doctors for a variety of things including a pulmonologist and a cardiologist (Very treatable family thing...All the other men in my family have it, it's finally my turn). I think we'll pull through. I purposely showed them what I was doing and provided no other info.
GP - Thought it was cool, listed me as a former smoker but, wanted to know what the pulmonologist thought.
ENT - I'm a former smoker with them too.
Pulmonologist - "Great! That won't hurt your lungs."
Cardiologist - Pretty much a shoulder shrug.
If you've never been to a cardiologist, it's kind of a trip. They seem disappointed if there's not something wrong with you other than what you're there for and you're not taking a large list of meds. I'm not on any. The doctor asked me about a whole list of conditions and kept getting no for an answer. He almost gave up but, he finally hit on sleep apnea. That seemed to please him. Weird!
I purposely showed them what I was doing and provided no other info.GP - Thought it was cool, listed me as a former smoker but, wanted to know what the pulmonologist thought.
ENT - I'm a former smoker with them too.
Pulmonologist - "Great! That won't hurt your lungs."
Cardiologist - Pretty much a shoulder shrug.
If you've never been to a cardiologist, it's kind of a trip. They seem disappointed if there's not something wrong with you other than what you're there for and you're not taking a large list of meds. I'm not on any. The doctor asked me about a whole list of conditions and kept getting no for an answer. He almost gave up but, he finally hit on sleep apnea. That seemed to please him. Weird!
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My doctor strongly recommended I try an e-cig. Last time I was there I asked her for a prescription for Nicotrol inhalers since I had success quitting with them in the past. She struggles with smoking addiction too and said "Don't those inhalers make your throat hurt? Why not just try the e-cigarette?" So I started looking into it and here I am. Next time I go to see her I'm going to have to show her my PV setup. I'm pretty sure she's only had experience with the blu or other store brands.
Hi,
I'm new to the E-cigs to. My Mother recently had a stroke and it was her cardiologist that suggested E-cigs. He says that his patients that uses the E-cigs have a better success rate of quitting analogs than anything else. He realizes that its more than just the nicotine that smokers are addicted to,its the actual act of smoking itself.
With that said, I don't know what I would have done without this forum. Such a wealth of information here
I'm new to the E-cigs to. My Mother recently had a stroke and it was her cardiologist that suggested E-cigs. He says that his patients that uses the E-cigs have a better success rate of quitting analogs than anything else. He realizes that its more than just the nicotine that smokers are addicted to,its the actual act of smoking itself.
With that said, I don't know what I would have done without this forum. Such a wealth of information here
Yes, it was intentional, and there is nothing that makes the U.S. immune to the exact same thing happening here.
I'll guarantee you that for the last 20 years or more, the entire food inspection apparatus has been hollowed out and placed in the hands of industry to the point that it's a hollow shell of what it used to be. USDA officials are not "watching every head of cattle". They are far too understaffed for that. They do samplings. They cannot physically inspect every anything, be it beef or poultry. New USDA rules expect an poultry inspector to monitor 93 chickens per minute coming down the processing line. Yeah, that'll really work. Self-monitoring and voluntary compliance is the watchword of the day and the primary purpose of food recalls are to reduce corporate liability, not reduce risk. Unless you mean shareholder risk.
Intentional contamination is the least of the problem. Negligence and cost cutting results in more and more frequent cases of contamination every year. Budget cuts and free market fundamentalism ensures fewer and fewer inspectors and spottier monitoring every year. Recalls come, cases of contamination spend a day in the news and are suddenly forgotten. There was just a case of contaminated pet food from an American company that hit the paper on May 4. A week later, it's been largely forgotten. Next week it'll be eggs, or broccoli, or ground beef or alfalfa sprouts or god knows what. It's becoming routine and doesn't survive the 24hour news cycle.
That doesn't make American products any safer. Any lunatic can deliberately contaminate anything they want and there's a good chance it would make it to the market. The point is that there are never any criminal prosecutions for contamination if it results from an attempt to maximize profits by cutting corners. If you contaminate food for profit, it's cool. Worst case is your company gets fined. Only if you do it for some sick thrills is it a crime.
There are no US execs convicted of negligence in their business practices resulting in product contamination. Financial fraud is the only thing that lands a captain of industry in prison. In the realm of food safety, nobody is ever held responsible for the practices that result in contaminated food products. That's the whole problem. These incidents are never investigated with the aim of preventing them in the future or prosecuting anyone for criminal negligence. They're handled like PR problems and once the public risk and corporate liability is mitigated, that's the end of it. In the non-food area, off the top of my head, I'd say the operator of the coal mines that exploded, Dan Blankenship of Massey Energy, should be in jail. There are more than a few BP and Halliburton executives that should be in jail, but only some low level flunkies will ever be charged. I'm sure I could think of plenty more.
Yeah, that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. They mythology of well inspected food production facilities in the U.S. is as persistent and tenacious as the mythology of our superior health care system. We may do a better job than some third-world hellhole inspecting American made stuff. We do a worse job than Europe inspecting not only imported products, but domestic ones as well. We rely far too much on "voluntary compliance" and "self-monitoring" and "self-inspection and reporting". As a result, it is impossible for inspectors to do an adequate job. Of course, that plays into the "government cant do anything right" meme. It can't do anything right when it's deliberately hobbled. Billions of dollars is spent by industry to weaken inspection regimens and lobby for reductions in government oversight and product safety regulations in favor of industry approved substitutes. Why do you think that is? To ensure safer products? Not hardly.
The last couple months both I and my wife have had to see several doctors for a variety of things including a pulmonologist and a cardiologist (Very treatable family thing...All the other men in my family have it, it's finally my turn). I think we'll pull through.
GP - Thought it was cool, listed me as a former smoker but, wanted to know what the pulmonologist thought.
ENT - I'm a former smoker with them too.
Pulmonologist - "Great! That won't hurt your lungs."
Cardiologist - Pretty much a shoulder shrug.
If you've never been to a cardiologist, it's kind of a trip. They seem disappointed if there's not something wrong with you other than what you're there for and you're not taking a large list of meds. I'm not on any. The doctor asked me about a whole list of conditions and kept getting no for an answer. He almost gave up but, he finally hit on sleep apnea. That seemed to please him. Weird!
Cardiologists are a really weird bunch - glad I don't work with them often. They seem so cold and all about the technology of things...
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