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kickanalog

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Hello

I am yet another newbie from the UK, congratulations on a great site that I have found very useful.
I have been smoking 40 + for 50 years and over recent years have spent a lot of money trying to give up, all the usual methods including hypnotists.

Recently had a serious health problem diagnosed and now getting considerable pressure to quit from my family and of course the medical profession who say " it's just willpower ". Anyway tried Nicolites disposable + my usual brand of cigarette ( alternating ) and I am making progress.

Now decided to make a bit more of commitment and I am about to buy the following kit, no real idea if it's a good choice but I have to jump in somewhere.

Vision Spinner Evod 1300 Steel Kit - Advanced variable voltage Kit
High powered 1300mah Vision variable voltage battery
Kanger Evod BCC bottom coil clearomizer (rebuildable)
900mah ego battery
CE4 Clearomizer
USB charging cable for charging both batteries

My question please is what else apart from e-liquid should I buy, I would really like to buy everything in one go and not have the frustration of finding I need extra items in a few weeks time, everything I need to last a year would be great, by which time I should be ( hopefully ) past the point of no return.

I should also appreciate understanding what Advanced variable voltage / rebuildable actually means ? .

Good luck to all who are just starting out vaping
 

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Variable voltage means you can adjust the voltage output of the battery. So you can dial it to match your sweet spot of vapor temperature/ volume/ taste etc.

Rebuildable means you can make your own wick and coil for the device. However, the BCC is NOT a true rebuildable. It can be rebuilt, but it is not designed to be.
 

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Welcome to the site!

I'm a newbie so i'm sure others will chime in with some real help.

I'd buy a good starter kit like you listed above, plus liquids of course to last a month or two. At which point you'll have a better understanding of vaping and if it will work for you. During that time i'd continue reading the site to learn more about the ecig world and all that it has to offer. Once you've been vaping and understand everything better is when I'd make a second purchase of all the different things you'd like to try ect...

I will suggest fasttech.com for cheap ecig products, they have free shipping and their prices cannot be beat. Rave reviews on this site.

That's my .02. Best of luck!
 

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Hi and welcome. I am a new member so I always defer to those who have more experience than me to answer the technical questions (variable, rebuilds). I only want to relate my experience when I tried my eGo-T 1000 Mah and Kanger T2 clearomizer. I purchased the kit which came with the charger (USB that plugs into the wall charger (average time to charge is about 4 hours)). I first time I tried it, I never wanted to go back to analogs again. I used a menthol (crystal) e-juice and had selected 12 mg. I think that was the key, selecting the correct amount of nic to combat any desire to go back to analogs. My menthol analogs were very mild and I smoked just over 1/2 pack per day for a long time. I tried one analog during my first 3 weeks of not smoking them at all, and felt ill immediately. After 4 weeks of using just the eGo-T and e-juices (wide variety of flavours now), I believe I rid myself of the toxic effects of analogs. I no longer have any cravings at all. Am continuing to decrease the amount of nic and feel great. Wish you the best in vaping alone.
 

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Make one of the batteries a pass through. That way, if all else fails, you can plug in.

Also, as an (ex) smoker, I really like the feel of a top coil clearo like the T2 or vivi nova. It gives a warm hit as apposed to the cooler hit of a bottom coil.

Best of luck putting down the stinkies: YOU CAN DO IT!

Edit: I would also get a box of five cartomizers. They are super simple and disposable after a while. It my help as you get use to a clearomizer and they are safe for "tank cracker" flavors. Oh, on tank crackers. The tanks listed so far are not safe for citrus type and some other flavors. You must get something like a pro tank for those kind of flavors.

More editing: I wish I had made a post like this before I started!
 
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Congrats on switching and welcome to ecf. I think you've made pretty good choices on your first supplies.
There is always a bit of trial and error in the start discovering which of the set-ups works best for our individual needs.
As another poster mentioned and I'll affirm is not to go too far overboard buying things that you don't know how they perform for you yet.

One recommendation I would make however is on the CE4 clearo. The ones that have the replaceable head units are only a dollar or so more and come apart easily for cleaning. When performance wanes, one needs only to replace the head at a much lower cost than replacing the entire unit. There are different names for them CE4+, CE5, Stardust 2.0 or v3.
Regardless of what the vendor your dealing with calls them, go for the ones with the replaceable heads.
Also grab a couple of replacement heads at different resistance levels, they come in 1.8ohm, 2.2 ohm, 2.4, 2.8 and even higher I think. The lower resistance ones burn hotter so are best at lower voltages whereas the higher resistance ones burn cooler and perform better at slightly higher voltages. (This goes for the evod heads as well, try a couple different resistance levels)

It'll give you a relatively inexpensive way of deciding which combinations are most ideal for your specific tastes. I hope you have as much fun vaping as most of us here do.

Cheers:vapor::vapor:
 
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There is always a bit of trial and error in the start discovering which of the set-ups works best for our individual needs.
As another poster mentioned and I'll affirm is not to go too far overboard buying things that you don't know how they perform for you yet.

Sound advice. In the beginning it takes some time to find your comfort zone and what works for you. Plan to go through a bit of trial and error. Setting yourself up for a whole year all at once might be a challenge with all the options and varieties out there. Lots of great advice here that will help.

The EVOD is a bottom coil device as noted but the CE4 is a top coil. I started with a CE4 but didn't care for it so I switched to a bottom coil clearomizer(not an EVOD though) and found it much more to my liking. Top coil devices have wicks which transfer the liquid up to the coil whereas bottom coil is more of a gravity feed. Issues with top coil include wicking problems, dry hits, and burning. However, a lot of this is personal preference. What works for one may not be suitable for another.

Initially the process can be time consuming and a bit costly until you find what you like. Then things will settle down and you'll be good to go. :vapor:
 

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Have you ordered yet?

I am an ex-Londoner and been Vaping a good while now.

Are those things in the list choices (possibles) or an actual plan?

Would you be kind enough to mention (either on the thread, or by a PM) where you are planning on buying your hardware?

There's a lot of stuff lined up there, I'd have though the first priority was to get a 2 battery kit (with included charger etc.) and lots of small bottles (or even samples) of e-liquid.

If the Vision Spinner kit is from ukecigcabin, I approve. Good vendor, one of my top two. It's a ONE Spinner + regular battery kit?

If you've "pulled the trigger" - be happy. If not, I can advise on kits and vendors.
 

kickanalog2

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Hi

My thanks to all who replied.

I confess to being a little confused, are cartomizers / tanks the same thing ? and is this what I need
Kanger Protank or this Kanger EVOD BCC Clearomizer

What are replaceable head units, is it this EasyCigarettes CE4+ Introduced the next generation in cartomizer technology - no wick

I apologise for what may seem very basic questions but right now everything is starting to look the same.

djsvapour…yes ukecigcabin is an option. I emailed a couple of questions to them but only got an answer to one of them, not sure they have all the various bits I am looking for. If you are kind enough to put a shopping list together based around my original ideas then that would be fantastic.

Regards to all
 
I agree with Capt. Shay, a couple of different tanks is a good thing. I remember when I started I only had one of everything and that was very bad because all at once everything went out. I was panicked. Always try to have backups, very very important.

And have a back up for your back up!
 

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You should grab a Tornado C Passthrough too. Its made by Ego, and allows you to plug it in to your computer or car, and vape while it charges. Even if the battery no longer holds a charge down the road, it will still vape. Its a must so you never get in a jam where you cant vape. Its only 20 bucks and has become my favorite battery. I also use Mini vivi nova tanks as you can clean them and the replacement atomizer is super cheat, like 2 bucks.
 

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CE4 Clearomizer is not rebuildable. I'd buy a Vision brand Mini Vivi Nova instead. I'd also get a wall adapter and an atomizer. An atomizer is best for testing new juices cuz it's easy to clean if the juice is yucky.
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Here also is a list compiled by highly regarded ECF member Chrissie of UK Vendors and discount codes. Note at top of page there's link for B&M shops:
http://allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/1148/cigarette-liquid-vendors-discount-codes
Best of Luck.
 
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djsvapour

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Hi

My thanks to all who replied.

I confess to being a little confused, are cartomizers / tanks the same thing ? and is this what I need
Kanger Protank or this Kanger EVOD BCC Clearomizer

What are replaceable head units, is it this EasyCigarettes CE4+ Introduced the next generation in cartomizer technology - no wick

I apologise for what may seem very basic questions but right now everything is starting to look the same.

djsvapour…yes ukecigcabin is an option. I emailed a couple of questions to them but only got an answer to one of them, not sure they have all the various bits I am looking for. If you are kind enough to put a shopping list together based around my original ideas then that would be fantastic.

Regards to all

Hi!

OK, A Kanger Protank and an Evod BCC are similar, one is posh, the other bog-standard. They are both effectively "clearomisers".
The Protank is bigger and looks over-sized on a regular battery.

A clearomiser is an atomizer in a clear "liquid-holding" tube/tank. Evod, Vivi Nova, CE-4, CE-5, Vision V3.
A cartomiser is an atomizer in a metal "tube" that has filler that soaks up the liquid. I like them, but don't use them as they can only hold up to 1mm of liquid, need topping up and stop working quite quickly.

I don't know who EasyCigarettes are, but they wouldn't get vendor status on AAEC, as they don't publish a contact address. I wouldn't ever use a Vendor like this. There are also some items on their website that would concern me in other ways.

I am 99% sure you can get everything you need from ukecigcabin. You only need a kit (2 batteries, charger) and some extra clearomisers.

Something like
Riva 1100 Deluxe Kit e-cig Titanium or whatever colour suits you!
plus
a couple (or 3) more clearomisers, as the ones in that kit are CE4 and are once used (for a few fill ups, maybe more), are throw away.

It's a big learning curve. I like evod and mini vivi nova clearomisers. These have a replaceable atomiser section which are £2 to replace.
 

kickanalog2

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Hi!

OK, A Kanger Protank and an Evod BCC are similar, one is posh, the other bog-standard. They are both effectively "clearomisers".
The Protank is bigger and looks over-sized on a regular battery.

A clearomiser is an atomizer in a clear "liquid-holding" tube/tank. Evod, Vivi Nova, CE-4, CE-5, Vision V3.
A cartomiser is an atomizer in a metal "tube" that has filler that soaks up the liquid. I like them, but don't use them as they can only hold up to 1mm of liquid, need topping up and stop working quite quickly.

I don't know who EasyCigarettes are, but they wouldn't get vendor status on AAEC, as they don't publish a contact address. I wouldn't ever use a Vendor like this. There are also some items on their website that would concern me in other ways.

I am 99% sure you can get everything you need from ukecigcabin. You only need a kit (2 batteries, charger) and some extra clearomisers.

Something like
Riva 1100 Deluxe Kit e-cig Titanium or whatever colour suits you!
plus
a couple (or 3) more clearomisers, as the ones in that kit are CE4 and are once used (for a few fill ups, maybe more), are throw away.

It's a big learning curve. I like evod and mini vivi nova clearomisers. These have a replaceable atomiser section which are £2 to replace.

Very grateful for your suggestions, have just emailed Uk Cigcabin with my list of what I want. We will wait to see what they say.

Cheers
 
Thats a decent starter kit - not necessarily what is the usual entry level kit for someone starting new, but a good starter kit for the but it will keep you from turning around an wanting something more advanced after a week.

In my opinion as that is not an entry level kit that should give you everything you need for vaping until whenever or the battery dies. Things do need replacing form time to time like the delivery system seem like you have gone with the clearomizers. I started out with 2 basic ego batteries, 2 CE4's, a wall charger and one bottle of juice and was totally off analogs in 48 hours. one reason some people take longer I thinks is because they only have one battery to start with and cigs are the alternative when charging.

Just so you know the CE4 is pretty much a throw-away after a bit of use. You can prolong its life with rinsing it it, allowing it to dry out and giving it a dry burn but it was never meant but to be used until gunk built up on the coil and then tossed. They are inexpensive therefore and many people like to keep several around, if thats the atomizer device they like so they can have different ones for different flavors of e-liquid especially for flavors that don't transition well from one to the next (whats left behind in the wicks when the CE4 is empty you will still taste even after adding a differ flavor to it. A CE4 and a CE5 are topi coil . The difference between the CE4 and CE5 is that the CE5 comes apart for cleaning and so you can replace the 'head' (which is the coil and wick assembly) as it wears out. This extends the live of your CE5 (which otherwise looks just like the CE4) for as long as it doesn't crack and you replace the head which cost pennies so a handful of heads can save you lots of money on CE4s and CE5s (the top coil ones - the heads are the top coil replacement). I think they give you disposible CE4 top coils as a slightly cheaper alternative to a CE5 top coil with a few replacement head. You can try out the style and if you like the CE4 toop coil - buy the CE5 version and extra heads,

The Rebuildable CE5 bottom coil in the kit is has the coil on the bottom instead of up near the top and I find it a bit more complex although you can buy pre- build bottom coil replacement heads I personally think of them as a device more suited to really rebuilding - making your own coil when the one it it needs to go.

CE4's and CE5's, top or bottom coil or any other delivery system that has that type of plastic don't hold up to flavors like cinnamon or those fruits with lots of citric acid in them (like lemon), the plastic dissolves so plan to have something different if those are flavors you like - drip them instead or have an atomizer with a metal or class or very heavy duty plastic.

CE4's cannot be disassembled so you cannot clean as thoroughly or replace the coil/wicking or the head when it gets too used as you can with a CE5. CE5's can be cleaned, dried and give a dry burn as often as you need - when changing flavors, when it gets glunky or has build up and not every cleaning does it need a head replaced (watch some youtube videos on cleaning your CE4 and CE5's and how to and when to replace the heads in the CE5). Because CE5's come apart for cleaning they can be dried faster and almost right away gotten back into use in most cases. A CE4 is glued shut so while you can rinse it enough to get the leftover e-juice out and the wicks most clean - there is no efficient quick way to dry the wicks except by waiting and letting air do it - so you often vape a cleaned CE4 with water tasting vapor after a cleaning for several draws.

The battery ,as a I said at perhaps entry level. Many start out with a basic ego, without the ability to use different volts and get started with set voltage and go from there. Nothing wrong with starting with variable voltage except you need to understand the reasons between VV and not, and get the hang of why you choice to change voltage. One of the big things with vv is that depending on the voltage you use you can adjust vapor strength, effect taste of the e-juice and the TH. Because you will be learning and not just using a single voltage battery, if those things are not what you want with just different delivery systems (the CE5/4 or a Cartomizer or dripping) you also have to remember that everything your are trying may need to be tried with voltage as different settings to get what you want.

As an example - a user with his VV set at 3.7 (about where a non vv battery is set) has been getting what he considers a great vapor from a 100% PG based liquid and great taste from the e-liquid he is using a good TH and he is happy. He buys a new e-juice in a new flavor someone suggested and decided to try a VG/PG mix. So he has changed two things here - flavor and mixture. He thinks he likes the flavor but its not come through as strong as before, the vapor is good but he gets little TH. Someone just getting started might assume its just the juice - push it aside and go back to the ones he was happy with. It could be juice related - he changed to a VG/PG mixture that may give him more vapor but VG carries taste less. If he tried the same flavor with just 100% PG mixture he may then have less vapor but likes how the taste comes through and gets a better TH. With the VV, however, that first VG/PG juice might have been jsut as good for him because changing the voltage can also effect the flavor, vapor production and TH - its not all in any one thing but VV adds another level of adjustment to use to get your desired result. Not a difficult or hard one - just one to remember. Something to remember when getting into use and vaping with your new devices.

Not sure what you meant by 'point of no return'. One things we know about getting of analogs is not to set expectations too high no matter the alternative your choose. In the case of e-cigs they give you an alternative that is an alternative to an analog - not jsut nicotine but the feeling of smoking - vapor to be the alternative to smoke, the device to handle and bring to your mouth (the oral fixation) and so on. They get you an what I like to think of as a 'clean' alternative that removes the health problems of the analog. Yes, they still have nicotine but that is relatively safe unless you have unstable high blood pressure or have had a stroke - then talk to your doctor but even in most of those cases e-cigs are still better. Once an e-cig and vaping is what your doing if you can lower your nicotine to 0 or lower it at all thats fantastic and better for you but remember that part of the analog addiction is not just nicotine but the mechanical process to (moving smoke - the oral fixation) that even with 0 nic level you may never give up.

E-cig can give you a lifelong alternative to ever picking up an analog again but cannot rid you of many of the things you were addict to with an analog. Better water vapor then chemically enhanced smoke.

You may find that while you put a starter kit together that meets your needs now you find yourself looking beyond it to new things that come out, devices others are using and so on. Its not that you did not buy everything you need and could stay with that kit until the parts reach end of life but don't be surprised if you find yourself picking up this little accessory or that one and so on.

You did not really ask what e-juice to buy - maybe you already know what you want but don't be surprised if what you vape on day 1 is not what you want to taste one day 1. taste and smell will rapid change towards a more normal sense once you get all the taste and smell receptor killing agents in an analog and as they regrown your taste will change.

My suggestion to a new vaper is to start out on day 1 with 3 flavors of e-juice. Frist is to always get one e-juice close to what they smoked in an analog. Don't even go with a flavored tobacco taste just go with either regular or menthol tobacco taste - many juices have names or code and will tell you even what tobacco taste they are like in an analog flavor.

Good reason for this. Your brain knows you giving it an alternative. It will be happy with an alternative that gives it everything you had with an analog. Just getting nicotine is rarely enough and that is why patches, gum and other nicotine replacement therapy fails. Your brain wants the things that you had with an analog associated with getting that nicotine -like smoke, the mechanical movements of doing something with setting up the analog (opening the pack, tamping it, taking the analog out,lighting it and so on). You can quickly get your brain to accept handling your device, filing it with e-juice and so on to replace that. The vapor replaces the feeling of inhaling and exhaling more than air and so on. You can get to that point but if to start out you use a flavored e-liquid far different from tobacco to which yu were very used to the old brain is going to stop you and say:

"wait! HOLD IT! this is not smoking ... its tastes wrong.. get me that cigarette!"

It may take a day of tobacco flavored to e-jucie to get past that especially if you start alternating with other flavors pretty quickly, or it could take a while - different with everyone. Just remember that even though it tastes like tobacco, may smell in the bottle faintly of tobacco and the natural flavor is leached frm tobacco its not the tobacco in an analog - its not tobacco mixed with god knows what and 60 carcinogens.

the second e-juice I suggest is a flavored tobacco one, like RY4 (has vanilla and caramel in with the tobacco flavor) or any one of 100 others. Its a great way to bridge a gap from tobacco to other flavors. Because your taste and smell will change so rapidly its important to have flavor like this to alternated with just the tobacco one to keep tasting. Many people, myself included, found that vaping the same flavor to start with after a while left something to be desired even if we smoked the same analog brand for years. So alternating a good USA tobacco flavor and RY4 worked for me and keep my taste active and interested and the USA tasted good and the RY4 tasted good and stayed tasting good cause it was not the same every fill up.

Take the same advice and apply it to menthol if you smoked menthols. One bottle of just menthol tobacco and the second with menthol tobacco and may mint - something very compatible but a little extra.

Bottle 3? is totally suggestive. WHat would you like to taste? What sounds good? Just try to make it pretty different from bottle 1 and I would suggest dropping any tobacco flavor at all. This will do several things besides really letting you brain know that nicotine comes in flavors now and can help if you have a time after tasting tobacco a few fill ups that your tastebuds nod off to nap. Then find yourself a nice cool dark spot whether is a shelf in a cabinet, desk drawer, a box or what have you for storing you e-liquid because very rarely will anyone stop at three flavors and you will need room for new one s;)
 
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