What funny tasting cartos look like!

[RB37]

I agree Goldenkobold, I just took some of mine apart as well, after putting them through some tests. The ones used on a BMF battery all look fine, the ones I used on my ego batt at full charge look like the images you posted.
I also took one, and inhaled very very slowly, and felt the caromizer get really hot, and that one burned as well.
The way I inhale is just like I would a real cigarette, and all I care about is that the BMF Cartomizers work on the BMF batteries, so I am 100% happy with them as they are.

 

[Frick]

Leaford has stated that the Bloog Maxx Fusion batteries are regulated to 3.6V, which means they're not reaching the 4.2V that a standard LiPo battery produces when fully-charged. He also stated he was surprised to learn that fact. Therefore I'm assuming the V4L batteries are not regulated, and a fresh battery is putting out 4.2V, which is causing these problems.

I wanted to disassemble one of my cartos to see if I'm seeing the same issue, but I don't have one that's not working well. I guess I'm being cheap, but I hate to destroy something that's not broken. And I've never tasted the slightest hint of burnt plastic from a BMF carto on a BMF battery (the only 808 batteries I own).

 

[keyzygirl]

OK,I see the clear things,but did the white plastic things burn or melt?

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Can you help me understand what you meant when you said, "Sorry, but I think there is something rotten going on here" and "...I think he is making false claims without proof."....

It could be a misunderstanding or something else. Making claims that one is inhaling plastic is awful, and health threatening. Doing so to sully a manufacturers name is something else. One needs to be careful when making unsubstantiated claims wouldn't you agree?

Now I am not saying that anything nefarious is going on. People need to stop this sky is falling OMG we are all going to die bit.

I am questioned when I make a simple statement, but others are getting away with saying, "I am inhaling plastic"? Why is that?

 

[Darrigaaz]

Posting so I can easily find this thread later to see conclusion.

I sure am glad I saw this thread before I placed an order. Last thing I want to do is inhale burning plastic!

 

[slim66]

It could be a misunderstanding or something else. Making claims that one is inhaling plastic is awful, and health threatening. Doing so to sully a manufacturers name is something else. One needs to be careful when making unsubstantiated claims wouldn't you agree?

Now I am not saying that anything nefarious is going on. People need to stop this sky is falling OMG we are all going to die bit.

I am questioned when I make a simple statement, but others are getting away with saying, "I am inhaling plastic"? Why is that?

DeeLeeKay, I agree that one needs to be careful when making unsubstantiated claims. To me the difference is one of intention. I don't see any evidence that the OP was bringing up his concern "...to sully a manufacturers name...". Maybe he was, I don't know, but I didn't see that, and it seems some (not only you) jumped to conclusions without any evidence to back up the accusations and/or suspicions. I viewed the OP's comments as expressing true concern about something he believed to be true (that he, “vaporized most of the plastic ring into my lungs"). Perhaps he could have been clearer that this was his belief, and not a proven fact. And I think the anger he expressed may have triggered some reactions, but I didn’t see any malicious intent in his post.

I guess I am sensitive to this because I have read other forums where anytime someone posted something that even hinted at not LOVING everything about the sub-forum products, the poster would get pounced on by "devotees" of the product. I just hope we don't develop that kind of culture on this sub-forum. I enjoy civil and free exchanges of information and concerns.

Personally, I think everyone who expressed doubts as to the validity of the OP's pictures owe him an apology.

 

[analog]

@Darrigaaz:
Well what were you going to order? IF BMF bats and cartos, nobody has reported burning plastic from that combo. (Unless I missed it?) IF you just wanted their cartos on standard 808 bats, then yeah I can see why you'd wait to order. But imho, the biggest thing BMF has going for it is the battery, not that big of a deal to stay away from their cartos if you aren't using their batteries I wouldn't think.

 

[crbrown]

I agree Goldenkobold, I just took some of mine apart as well, after putting them through some tests. The ones used on a BMF battery all look fine, the ones I used on my ego batt at full charge look like the images you posted.
I also took one, and inhaled very very slowly, and felt the caromizer get really hot, and that one burned as well.
The way I inhale is just like I would a real cigarette, and all I care about is that the BMF Cartomizers work on the BMF batteries, so I am 100% happy with them as they are.

One the one that you "inhaled very very slowly" was that done on the BMF battery or on the other?

 

[Technonut]

DeeLeeKay, I agree that one needs to be careful when making unsubstantiated claims. To me the difference is one of intention. I don't see any evidence that the OP was bringing up his concern "...to sully a manufacturers name...". Maybe he was, I don't know, but I didn't see that, and it seems some (not only you) jumped to conclusions without any evidence to back up the accusations and/or suspicions. I viewed the OP's comments as expressing true concern about something he believed to be true (that he, “vaporized most of the plastic ring into my lungs"). Perhaps he could have been clearer that this was his belief, and not a proven fact. And I think the anger he expressed may have triggered some reactions, but I didn’t see any malicious intent in his post.

I guess I am sensitive to this because I have read other forums where anytime someone posted something that even hinted at not LOVING everything about the sub-forum products, the poster would get pounced on by "devotees" of the product. I just hope we don't develop that kind of culture on this sub-forum. I enjoy civil and free exchanges of information and concerns.

Personally, I think everyone who expressed doubts as to the validity of the OP's pictures owe him an apology.

VERY well said... I am a heavy mod user. However, I still like a good e-cig to carry around sometimes. I have a couple of KR808-D1's, and some 4081's.

I have read and watched some great BMF reviews, and am keeping up with this (and other) threads before I make a purchasing decision. I hope that this carto issue is sorted before the new stock arrives...

 

[spirits3250]

To the OP...Sorry people jumped all over you for expressing concerns. You were right for doing so.

 

[pmos69]

I've had 0 burn issues with MF cartos while using them with trifectas, and that isn't consistent with the rest of the findings (the trifecta is not a maxxfusion battery).
The cartos only get lukewarm, even though I basically chain vape them all day long.

 

[Marsai]

So .... Where is our esteemed champion and leader in all things Vape? I would really like to see him put this to rest before any more newbs read this and get scared away from e-cigs. I for one am not worried at all. My silicon o-rings have all been intact. My solution to you all would be to use bloog batts only. besides ..... after using a bloog battery is there ever any reason to go back? pppfft.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

DeeLeeKay, I agree that one needs to be careful when making unsubstantiated claims. To me the difference is one of intention. I don't see any evidence that the OP was bringing up his concern "...to sully a manufacturers name...". Maybe he was, I don't know, but I didn't see that, and it seems some (not only you) jumped to conclusions without any evidence to back up the accusations and/or suspicions. I viewed the OP's comments as expressing true concern about something he believed to be true (that he, “vaporized most of the plastic ring into my lungs"). Perhaps he could have been clearer that this was his belief, and not a proven fact. And I think the anger he expressed may have triggered some reactions, but I didn’t see any malicious intent in his post.

I guess I am sensitive to this because I have read other forums where anytime someone posted something that even hinted at not LOVING everything about the sub-forum products, the poster would get pounced on by "devotees" of the product. I just hope we don't develop that kind of culture on this sub-forum. I enjoy civil and free exchanges of information and concerns.

Personally, I think everyone who expressed doubts as to the validity of the OP's pictures owe him an apology.

I can appreciate where you are coming from here. Jumping to conclusions helps nothing. I, however, disagree in that the OP was malicious in the way he expressed himself. The wording was used to inflame passions.

Every silicon cap was melted to the plastic seating ring. See the scorch marks from the heating element leads? Here's a few of the semi-melted seating rings. These cartos started tasting bad and irritated the lungs.

The silicon melted? What is the melting point of silicon?

This one makes me ANGRY beyond words. The carto seemed just a little off, but comparatively, the best of the bunch. I suppose the menthol hid the fact that I VAPORIZED MOST OF THE PLASTIC RING INTO MY LUNGS!!! I was already worried about fumes from scorched polyfill, so vaping a whole chunk of plastic just flips me out. The carcinogens in plastic build up in your body.

Telling us he inhaled plastic? Is this not designed to enflame passions?

This has completely changed my mind regarding FDA intervention, and trust me, that's saying a lot. I was already a bit spooked about juice additives but willing to accept it's better than smoke. I didn't think about the safety of the delivery device.

Needing the FDA to what? What has been proven?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...acrolein-problem-anyone-vaping-vg-read-5.html

Would acrolein be formed before the silicon ring is melted? Again the OP is inflaming passions. And while the intent may or may not be in and of itself be malicious, it certainly can be interpreted in this manner.

I did apologize for saying that this was not a bloog, where is the call for the OP to unnecessarily enflame passions when nothing has been proven?

 

[cryx]

I don't know what to say. I can't believe some people have insinuated I'm a liar and a fraud. I'm neither a dummy, nor a phony, nor a plant; just a newbie that is losing his enthusiasm. The people that have been supportive mean a lot since I was about to write off this forum entirely.

I obsessively researched ecigs before purchasing, largely using this site. I watched lots of Leaford's youtube videos because his name came up again and again. I convinced myself that ecigs were the far lesser of two evils. I thought my only concern is flavoring ingredients, ex. the buttery flavoring (used in popcorn) that causes permanent lung damage.

When I purchased the blanks on 2/1, I found no discussions of "don't use them with other batteries", and the voltage-regulation of BMF batts was revealed just days ago. All I saw were "the problems in the first batch are fixed". Yes, the bloogs were sometimes just a bit harsh off a fresh battery, but so were the wows. I didn't know any better, I thought it was normal. The bloog's were rich, tasted GREAT, hit GREAT: I was in love. I tried to not fully charge the batteries and that helped a bit.

Then respiratory illness ripped through my kids. My wife and I got stuffy with chest tightness so we thought it was touch of what the kids had. The flavors seemed diminished and/or off, but I also read on this site that it's not unusual for people to think their flavors change. So again, I thought it was normal until we used our friends' wows at card night. We realized we had been boiled like frogs and didn't realize how bad the bloogs had subtly become. I've been suffering with wows ever since.

The bad bloogs don't "taste" like plastic, but have any of us actually tasted burning plastic? Some started tasted bad, but not plastic bad. The flavor was off, but the menthols did a really good job of hiding it. The menthol is the completely melted/vaporized one.

 

[starsong]

I was the first to question the authenticity of the OP's pictures, but was also quick to apologize after realizing I just didn't understand what it was I was looking at. Maybe more specific captions would have cleared up much of the confusion. I really wish someone from Bloog would pay attention to this thread and calm some fears.
My personal experience with the prefilled BMF cartos have been all positive when used with the Bloog battery. When it starts to get dried out, then I taste a difference and remove it. Gotta pay attention to that. Only time I ever noticed the nasty burn taste (as I've said many times) is when the cart is put on a v4l battery freshly charged. But after that charge has 'mellowed' out, I can safely put the BMF back on. (and I'm mostly only doing that when the Bloog is being charged and I really really want to use the BMF carts cuz I love the RY4 so much!!)

 

[Newme]

Don't forget, these really are supposed to be disposable. And I don't think they're meant to be used over and over again as much as we do. They really weren't made for that. I'm not sure how many refills are considered normal though, because I'm new to this as well.

 

[cryx]

Ok. Here's some uncropped pics from last night. I can't take any more since I left the parts in my wife's photo light tent and she got mad and threw them out this morning.

The first one was a rancid one that really never got used so it's intact. It came apart with no effort. The second is melted. The third one is the menthol from the first post. There's no denying it's vaporized.


DeeLeeKay, what more proof do you need that I'm not making stuff up? I think you'd sound impassioned (not inflamed) too if this happened to you.

IMHO, I don't agree these are safe on a BMF battery or any battery. Maybe a BMF doesn't get hot enough to melt the plastic ring, but having plastic exposed to high heat will vaporize the residual plasticizers from the manufacturing process and will cause the plastic to outgas toxins and carcinogens. I'll say it again: plastic has no business being in these things, especially next to the heating coil!

If plastic ring was replaced with something inert like glass or ceramic, and the overheating on standard batteries is fixed, I'd definitely buy bloogs again. I'm not here to tarnish an innovative product. I just want it improved so it's not wrecking my health like the dirty habit they helped me kick.

 

[starsong]

Cryx please clarify... those are from the bottom (battery end) of the carto, not the mouth side right?

 

[Goldenkobold]

The bad bloogs don't "taste" like plastic, but have any of us actually tasted burning plastic? Some started tasted bad, but not plastic bad. The flavor was off, but the menthols did a really good job of hiding it. The menthol is the completely melted/vaporized one.

The picture you show isn't significant enough from the other fractured ones to say that it "vaporized" the plastic...it looks just like the others, a fractured unit. I have dealt with burning plastics before and this is not it, unless you have something from another view point it just looks fractured. It also looks more yellow but so does the blue background so I assume that is a lighting issue.

I am not saying this isn't noteworthy, the slightly burnt sleeves where the ends of the heating element contact look burnt enough to dissuade me from using one of these on a 4.2v device, however the menthol just looks fractured and partially deformed.

Even if there was some sort of government agency for electronic vaping, what would you expect them to do in this case where you take a product from one manufacturer and combine it with a power unit from another? Go throw a cisco 2.0 ohm 510 on a 5v box mod device and watch it melt a cartidge (if you are crazy enough to use a cartridge on such a set up).

As far as the respiratory problems, I would assume it more likely that this is a continuation of the respiratory infection you had earlier this month and not a few cartomizers you have been using for less than 20 days.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

cryx,

I took apart a brand new unused carto this afternoon, those pictures do not look differently to me then the unused one does.