What happened to Provape?
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Sarcasm aside, he is absolutely right.
Anyone who is out and about knows that the vast majority of new comers are NOT casual vapers, even if they *are* casual vapers. What I mean in, now even mom and pop are getting sub ohm tanks and high wattage devices, as this is becoming the 'norm' for better or for worse. While years back, these devices weren't available, and most vapers ordered online....times have changed. Now, the sub ohm stuff and the high wattage stuff is all UP FRONT at every vape shop, where many people go to buy their first vape. The sub ohm stuff and high wattage stuff is also what is recommended at most vape shops now.
I think people underestimate the influence of the cloud chasing culture. It is what is LEADING the vaping industry now, it isn't just a small subset. What i mean is, the vast majority of new vape related hardware coming out now, and the e-liquids to match, are designed for sub ohming, or cloud-focused.
The titanium Stealth sold out on its first run in a few days, as did the Stealth Kabuki- the most expensive tank and mod ProVape sells. Now there's a 1-2week wait for a titanium Stealth, and Zen's going to have to work overtime to replenish the Stealth Kabukis. Real good sign of a company not doing well...
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I disagree, especially about the 'leading vaping". In order to lead you have to know where youre going.
And to be honest, I dont think think cloud chasers have a clue about that....or a lot of others things that pertain to vaping.
This past summer, I worked at an amusement park. Mainly because it was the perfect summer job for a college student.
Vaping wasnt allowed there, except in the smoking sections.
Inconsiderate cloud chasers caused that. The parks reasoning was that smokers saw these big clouds and thought it was smoke, causing the smokers to light up and ignore the rules.
I would hardly call that....or going through juice like a souped up Ford Mustang goes through gas....... progress.
Not by a long shot.
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I worked at KD in HS. Victoria's Pizza then cash control the next year. My first summer there I was 15 and started smoking...
Doswell is only a few miles north of Ruchmond...
Very observant on your part. Bush Gardens isnt really that far away either.
KD was a nice experience but I dont think I will be repeating that again next year.
When people go to a vape shop without any prior knowledge or experience they will buy what's being sold.
Thats kind of like the blind "leading" the blind isnt it?
Vape shops are pushing sub-ohming because its highly profitable to them.
The smart shoppers are the ones who are online buying juice, mods and batteries for a 1/3 of the price of brick and mortar stores.
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I'm sure it isn't all fun and games like it was 25 years ago. Found my name badge in the archives...
As you can see I was special...
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Not always. It's better now, but only to some extent.
I was vaping a Joyetech 650 when I read about the Twist. I went to the only vape shop we had at the time to get one. The clerk told me they didn't carry them because they were garbage. He said his broke and his friend's broke and they weren't going to sell them. Of course I believed him. He worked in a vape shop and knew about the equipment, right? He talked me into another type of eGo device and it was months before I found ECF and learned that Twists were fine.
ETA: It's more than just holding the device in your hand. People go to vape shops to learn how to use the devices too. Not everyone can deal with scrolling around on a forum filled with terms they don't understand.
Still people assuming that if one doesn't use a Provari to puff away at 8-13W then he/she is a reckless, clueless cloud chaser constantly vaping away at 150W. 
It's great that some of you have found your sweet spot with that type of setup and there's not a thing wrong with it. Some of us vape like that as well as at higher wattages on occasion and do so not to chase clouds but for better flavor. Nothing wrong with that either nor with the people who do want to vape at 150W. I guess I don't understand why some people seem to be offended by differing tastes and points of view. For me the Provari doesn't cut it. Yes, I vape in the wattage range a Provari will support but the problem is I can't go beyond that when I feel like doing so. If Provari puts out a higher wattage version (I think 40 or 50 would give people a lot more flexibility) I'd definitely consider one. Them being "indestructible" or made in the USA is not even close to a selling point for me. Again, that's okay. You don't have to be offended by me thinking the Provari isn't all it's cracked up to be. You don't have to run to the defense of Provape and the Provari every time someone dares to post that it's not the best vaping device ever created.
How many units were produced of the Ti Stealth and how many days is "a few"? There are plenty of attys and mods that sell out in a matter of hours (sometimes minutes) so "a few days" is not all that impressive. Also, the Kabuki is irrelevant considering Provape has nothing to do with them other than making them available for sale on their site.
It's great that some of you have found your sweet spot with that type of setup and there's not a thing wrong with it. Some of us vape like that as well as at higher wattages on occasion and do so not to chase clouds but for better flavor. Nothing wrong with that either nor with the people who do want to vape at 150W. I guess I don't understand why some people seem to be offended by differing tastes and points of view. For me the Provari doesn't cut it. Yes, I vape in the wattage range a Provari will support but the problem is I can't go beyond that when I feel like doing so. If Provari puts out a higher wattage version (I think 40 or 50 would give people a lot more flexibility) I'd definitely consider one. Them being "indestructible" or made in the USA is not even close to a selling point for me. Again, that's okay. You don't have to be offended by me thinking the Provari isn't all it's cracked up to be. You don't have to run to the defense of Provape and the Provari every time someone dares to post that it's not the best vaping device ever created.
How many units were produced of the Ti Stealth and how many days is "a few"? There are plenty of attys and mods that sell out in a matter of hours (sometimes minutes) so "a few days" is not all that impressive. Also, the Kabuki is irrelevant considering Provape has nothing to do with them other than making them available for sale on their site.
I dropped my P2.5 off the counter in my kitchen with a KFL on it. Landed base down and cracked the 12x12" tile
Good thing I had extra tiles.
I don't think the P2.5 noticed, not a mark on it.
Damn!! That could have cost more than a provari.
Still people assuming that if one doesn't use a Provari to puff away at 8-13W then he/she is a reckless, clueless cloud chaser constantly vaping away at 150W.
It's great that some of you have found your sweet spot with that type of setup and there's not a thing wrong with it. Some of us vape like that as well as at higher wattages on occasion and do so not to chase clouds but for better flavor. Nothing wrong with that either nor with the people who do want to vape at 150W. I guess I don't understand why some people seem to be offended by differing tastes and points of view. For me the Provari doesn't cut it. Yes, I vape in the wattage range a Provari will support but the problem is I can't go beyond that when I feel like doing so. If Provari puts out a higher wattage version (I think 40 or 50 would give people a lot more flexibility) I'd definitely consider one. Them being "indestructible" or made in the USA is not even close to a selling point for me. Again, that's okay. You don't have to be offended by me thinking the Provari isn't all it's cracked up to be. You don't have to run to the defense of Provape and the Provari every time someone dares to post that it's not the best vaping device ever created.
How many units were produced of the Ti Stealth and how many days is "a few"? There are plenty of attys and mods that sell out in a matter of hours (sometimes minutes) so "a few days" is not all that impressive. Also, the Kabuki is irrelevant considering Provape has nothing to do with them other than making them available for sale on their site.
No, that really isn't true at all. Most, but not all, Provari users are fairly well informed. Some of us have even been known to chase a few clouds of our own.
I have plenty of power sitting in front of me, and more than enough atties that will handle an ultra low ohm coil.
My Caravela will will power a sub tank quite nicely, (it has a center pin) but at 8 amps. Why would I want to do that when I know how to get the same (or better) flavor at 2 amps?!?
The biggest advancement in vaping will be when we figure out how to do it sub amp instead of sub ohm.
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The emphasized portion is the type of comment I was referring to in my other post. The implication of that portion seeming to be that if someone doesn't vape at 20W or below that they are a cloud chaser. This isn't necessarily the case. And there have been plenty of those types of comments throughout this thread.
If you're happy at 2 amps, great. It doesn't make any difference to me, you're enjoying yourself and not smoking which is what really counts. However, that doesn't mean it's the "right" way to vape because you don't think it's necessary to vape any other way.
Not a matter of being "happy" at 2 amps, the point was being able to do the same thing at 2 amps.
How would you like getting your favorite vape from a product that size that lasted all day without a recharge?
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Either way my point still stands: there's no "right" way to vape. You don't have to agree with or understand why someone would vape differently from you but your particular preferred method is no better or worse.
@stevegmu I want to know who your pudgy little statue guy is in your pics. Is he the vape guard?
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