What is it we've been addicted to for all these years?

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mojofilter

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Yes, RYO cigarettes go out all the time, within minutes if you aren't puffing on them.

I've read here that now, to reduce the fire hazard of unattended factory cigarettes, they now have the addition of carpet glue in them to make them go out if you're not actively puffing on them. Why they don't leave out the fuel or the fire ......ant is beyond me. If what they want is for it to go out if unattended, then don't put anything in it.
 

SteveElbows

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  • If not nicotine, and with the apparent absence of MAOI drugs in RYO tobacco, then what have I been addicted to?
  • With the lack of severity of my withdrawal, was I even addicted?
  • Is it MAOI drugs and additives that other factory cigarette smokers have been addicted to?
  • Are they mistaking the addiction to cigarette additives with the properties of nicotine? Have they convinced themselves that it is the nicotine that they crave, when it may be the additives instead?
  • Does any of their difficulty stem from fear of discontinuation of the rituals of smoking?
Something else I want to mention is tar. When I smoked factory cigarettes, using the same ashtray for years, an accumulation of tar would build up on the place where the cigarette sat, and every so often I'd have to scrape it off. Oddly, when I switched to RYO tobacco, this was never an issue. I used the same ashtray here at my desk for 17 years. Never had to scrape it once. I don't know how much science is behind it, but my anecdotal experience suggests that there is far less tar in RYO than the other kind of smokes. Any idea why this would be?

I'm not at all convinced that RYO tobacco is better to the degree you suggest. At a minimum it still has some additives, for example to stop moist tobacco from going mouldy. I hadn't thought about this much until one rolling tobacco brand tried selling a version that came dry and didn't have those preservatives (instead you make it moist yourself by, for example, wetting a filter tip and leaving it in the packet). As for the ashtray anecdotes, that may be more to do with how much smoke roll-ups give off when not being dragged on compared to cigarettes, and their tendency to go out when not being inhaled, rather than keep burning away. On that note, I certainly saw a tv program many years ago that talked about cigarette companies not wishing to change this property of pre-made cigarettes, even though such a change might prevent some 'unattended cigarette' house fires.

edit - oops I see that while I was composing this post, others beat me to it with the point about cigarettes not going out.

As for addiction and what we are addicted to, the thing I really like about vaping is that I can separate all the different addictions and habits from each other, and choose to eliminate them one at a time (or keep one or two).

For example just over 12 weeks ago I stopped smoking roll-ups, after smoking them for the previous 22 years. I had dabbled with vaping a few times for a few years before then, so I kind of new what to expect, but I wasn't ready to give up roll-ups fully till this year (I always promised myself I'd never smoke again once I hit 40). So far I have managed to stop without any slip-ups at all, but certainly in the first week I could tell that the vape wasn't giving my body everything it expected, there was some mild withdrawal and adjustment going on. And I know it wasn't a lack of nicotine, because some days I was actually getting too much nicotine and feeling that sort of yucky instead. After a week or two that feeling passed, and now the vape is giving me everything I crave and expect. So now I am left with the pure habit side of inhaling, and a nicotine addiction. One week I experimented with having a second vape with a zero nicotine juice in it, and was quite surprised how long I could go without any physical nicotine withdrawal symptoms, much longer than I could ever go without a cigarette. I suspect that the habit of smoking may be a bigger addiction for me than nicotine, and will be experimenting on this front again soon.
 

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I did that, too - reach for the papers - a few times during the first couple of weeks. It was sort of like muscle memory. But I don't do it anymore.

At first, everytime I'd go outdoors, I'd start patting my pockets -- for a lighter! :lol: One reason I had to stop using the eRoll (cigalike) was that in the truck, I once almost set fire to the end of it! :facepalm:

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Yes, RYO cigarettes go out all the time, within minutes if you aren't puffing on them.

I've read here that now, to reduce the fire hazard of unattended factory cigarettes, they now have the addition of carpet glue in them to make them go out if you're not actively puffing on them. Why they don't leave out the fuel or the fire ......ant is beyond me. If what they want is for it to go out if unattended, then don't put anything in it.
It is not "they", it is a law that requires to manufacture such cigarettes (accepted in many countries and most of the US states).
 

Smislow

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Let me share my experience.
4 yes ago I stumbled upon a cigalike on the Internet. I was a heavy smoker, 2 pack a day for 25 yes or so, and I was beginning to feel that will kill me; a cough, a shortness of breath etc.

I bought that cigalike from Njoy :) and went struggling for a "smoke" for a few days.
Than I bought an Ego. Still dual using, I saw a potential.
I joined some Internet forums to keep myself up because nobody around me used or believed in that gimmicks.
Then came the mods from the forums. Big steel tube with a switch and a tank with burning a mesh and coiling a wick.
I was about a year into dual use: vaping and smoking.
Onlly with that big ugly steel pipe I managed to whine myself completely off a cigarettes.
Nowdays I'm a happy ex-smoker with a cheap Istick30 and Kanger aerotank in my hand vaping a 12mg/ml vpg juice, all kinds of tobacco flavors.
Next mod is pre-ordered P4U ipvd2 :) and subtank mini with ni200 coils.
 

Robino1

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Thanks for that information. It's been five months since I quit, and four months since I stopped inhaling the vapor, and I still haven't coughed up any black crud, although my lungs have completely stopped wheezing. Should I be worried about not expelling the gunk that surely must be in there yet?

I never coughed up any of that crud. I wonder if it is because I used to get bronchitis every year and coughed so much crud up that I thought my lungs were going to come out too! I think they tried to clear themselves out during those times. I wouldn't worry if you don't do cough up junk.

:)
 
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