What is THAT taste??

[MonicaRae]

I haven't seen anything in any post about this weird taste I find among juices. I've tried a variety of vendors and once in awhile I'll get a juice that just has this weird nasty taste. Now after steeping for AWHILE it does go away but what the heck is it??

It's not like its every bottle but it's now been 3 different vendor that its happened with. I've tried the juice straight out of the mail and ugh I just can't describe it but its unvapeable. Then I let it sit for awhile -- days/a month in some cases and poof that taste is gone.

What the heck is it??

 

[shatner]

Could be alcohol that just needs to evaporate. Or maybe their flavoring is perfumey, which also need to evaporate.

 

[Rickajho]

More details - what are you tasting or smelling off the bottle.

One theory is if the flavorings a vendor is using are in an alcohol carrier. I hate that and I can smell the alcohol right off the bottle. And yes - it's taken me a month some times to drive the alcohol out of those liquids before they were vapable. I rarely go back for a second go-round when I find that. Too much hassle and there are too many other places to buy from that don't have that alcohol issue.

 

[DaveP]

I sense an unwanted flavor in many juices that reminds me of the green grass smell after you cut the lawn. It's more like weeds than hay, though! It's kind of a bitter undertaste that definitely isn't sweet and if more of an aftertaste that I wish would go away.

I'd love to see the recipes for all juices. Maybe I could pick out what it is in some that make it taste that way.

 

[Dzaw]

if by "that taste" you mean the nastiness that tastes like the carrier fluid in cheap perfumes? That would be a mix of alcohol and artificial flavorings - essentially it -is- the carrier fluid in cheap perfumes.

Yes, it will evaporate out. The alcohol will go first, if you give your bottles a tap-hot water (not boiling) bath for 5-10 minutes, shake well, then leave them (still warm) open topped (no cap or dripper) for a few hours, most of the alcohol will be gone.

Then, steeping, and opening the bottles once a day, or therebouts, to exchange the air in the bottle will help get rid of the rest. I find it usually takes about 10 days to get rid of "that taste"

 

[MonicaRae]

More details - what are you tasting or smelling off the bottle.

One theory is if the flavorings a vendor is using are in an alcohol carrier. I hate that and I can smell the alcohol right off the bottle. And yes - it's taken me a month some times to drive the alcohol out of those liquids before they were vapable. I rarely go back for a second go-round when I find that. Too much hassle and there are too many other places to buy from that don't have that alcohol issue.

I don't smell it -- and its weird because I just bought 3 juices from a vendor and it
stated on their site umm what was it -- "Our juices are prepared with a pharmaceutical grade USP Kosher base and diacetyl free flavoring"
So me not knowing what the heck diacetyl was figured hey maybe that's what gives some juices that taste.
Nope 1 of the juices has that taste. I can't smell it - the juice smells great. But yes its definitely a weird bitter taste and it does go away after leaving the bottle with the cap off of it for a couple weeks.

And no after I get any juice with "that taste" I will never re-order from that vendor. This is what makes me so afraid to experiment. I have basically 2 go to's. I just tried somewhere new and actually paid more than my usual place and this is what I get...figures.

But I guess I'm looking for alcohol free???

 

[LoveVanilla]

I sense an unwanted flavor in many juices that reminds me of the green grass smell after you cut the lawn. It's more like weeds than hay, though! It's kind of a bitter undertaste that definitely isn't sweet and if more of an aftertaste that I wish would go away.

Could be TA i.e. tobacco absolute. It's often described a fresh-cut grass or hay smell and then blends into a mellow and mild tobacco flavor. It's liked by many.

 

[LoveVanilla]

I haven't seen anything in any post about this weird taste I find among juices. I've tried a variety of vendors and once in awhile I'll get a juice that just has this weird nasty taste. Now after steeping for AWHILE it does go away but what the heck is it??

What the heck is it??

Could be an M-Type which has a strong, pungent, nutty taste and smell i.e. stinky. When mixed at very small amounts it blends (eventually) and leaves a subtle accent. It's considered/used as a tobacco flavor.

 

[damthisisfun]

I get an awful taste from some juices that I have narrowed down to three possible ingredients - too much PG, Caramel and/or Vanilla......

 

[HeadInClouds]

If you can tell us which flavors give you this effect, someone might be able to identify what they have in common.

With me, it's cream flavorings from several manufacturers - must all have a molecule in common - a nasty scent that seems undetectable to many people.

 

[MonicaRae]

If you can tell us which flavors give you this effect, someone might be able to identify what they have in common.

With me, it's cream flavorings from several manufacturers - must all have a molecule in common - a nasty scent that seems undetectable to many people.

Okay it first was an -----------Ron T's Apple Menthol (no idea what it was that made it diff other than Apple and Menthol) mind you this vendor makes horrible juice I just didn't know it I was a very very noob but this was the only one that had "the taste"
-------------Bombies ('nana cream)
-------------Fufu Juice (coconut, pineapple, splash of chocolate & some other tropical fruits) I actually really like this one (once the nasty taste is gone!)

 

[HeadInClouds]

Hmm, they all have fruit, but I don't know what else they have in common. I'm sorry, I haven't tried any of those particular juices.

So they all smelled fine but tasted bitter when you vaped them? And the bitterness went away as they aged? If so, alcohol would be my guess, because it does evaporate with time. Sorry I can be of more help.

 

[MonicaRae]

It's okay lol..I was just wondering if anyone else had the same experience or maybe it was something with my taste buds. Heck maybe its me!

 

[BillyWJ]

It's okay lol..I was just wondering if anyone else had the same experience or maybe it was something with my taste buds. Heck maybe its me!

Some juices just do that, they all steep differently. I have one, a lemon poundcake, that has tasted really good since it steeped - it had a "tang" to it that wasn't bad, but was very prominent. Then, almost overnight, it settled in and changed completely and now is an awesome, mellow "cake" with none of the tang. Wow. I liked it before, now I LOVE it.

Some people talk about steeping a juice for a month, I get that now.

Because of this, I went back and revisited a couple of juices I liked, that I felt could be improved, and another one surprised me by going from little flavor to a bolder, rich flavor. (Screaming Yeti by Darkest Days)

So, I guess the idea is, never give up on a juice! And, you may have to wait a while to enjoy it.

 

[Dzaw]

Personally, I wouldn't write off a vendor based on this. I think you will probably spend the rest of your life writing off one juicer after another, eternally frustrated.

Just steep your juice until its gone. It's the only real solution, b/c even the best of the best need steeping on some of their flavors, at least some of the time.

 

[Aheadatime]

Are you sure it isn't your device? Do you buy pre-wrapped coils or wrap your own? Which tank/atomizer are you using? Do you have a set voltage for your ohms? Do you clean your tanks out with water or alcohol?

 

[DaveP]

Personally, I wouldn't write off a vendor based on this. I think you will probably spend the rest of your life writing off one juicer after another, eternally frustrated.

Just steep your juice until its gone. It's the only real solution, b/c even the best of the best need steeping on some of their flavors, at least some of the time.

I agree, Dzaw. It's probably something that proper steeping will remove and it's not just one vendor's juice that has the occasional weird taste. I guess if juice makers aged their product before selling it (like beer and wine makers) we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I think you guys have hit the crux of the issue in steeping with the top off. I've never really left the top off to steep. I usually just put anything with an off taste in a dark place (box in a closet) and let them mellow for a few weeks. Sometimes that corrects them and sometimes it doesn't. I tried some juices from a vendor that had great reviews and what I tasted was strong soapy taste. Dark didn't help them, either. I think I'll warm them under hot water and open them to the atmosphere, too.

Brand names in particular for me would be my favorite Dekang and Hangsen, Tobacco and RY4. I've gotten them many times in the 50ml size and occasionally I get a bottle that doesn't have that familiar flavor I expect. There's a slight bitterness coupled with a hard to describe aroma/taste that I call green grass. I have two warmed bottles sitting with the caps open as we speak. I love Dekang and Hangsen RY4 and I've definitely sensed a difference in taste at times in the last year or so. Maybe I'm getting some green juices that used to be well aged by the time I got them.

Monica Raye: Diacetyl is a butter flavoring used in microwave popcorn that supposedly caused cancer and respiratory illnesses in the factory workers where it was made. It's fine if you eat it, but not if you inhale the hot fumes as it cooks. At one time it was used as butter flavoring in some ecig juices. That's supposed to be gone now and vendors will advertise that fact on their sites.

 

[Dzaw]

Well, Dave, I wish it were that simple, though...

Pre-aging juice is all fine and good for Dekang, which supplied 50% of the world's e-liquid, or Hangsen, which supplies half of the rest, but that last 25% is split up among hundreds of very small boutique operations. Even the giants (by volume) like ECBlend have an operation that is less than 1% of what Dekang runs.

These small operations aren't tooled up to a scale where its reasonable to expect that they can have a stock of all of the flavors they offer, in each of the concentrations they offer. The sheer liquid storage capacity would become quickly mind boggling.

Personally, I like having the immense variety of flavor and concentration offerings the current system has. If I want 12mg truth serum with just a touch of menthol - I can order it that way! The tradeoff, of course, is that I have to handle the steeping myself.

If I wanted all of my juices pre-steeped, I'd head on down to the head shop that also sells some Joye 510 and ego products, and they have a pretty decent stock of dekang flavors that don't sell very quickly. However, most of those just don't suit my palatte.

 

[vjc0628]

If I think there my be a possibility there was alcohol used in making the juice

I take the capps off overnight to evaporate

 

[Bravesfan]

Speaking of nasty flavors......what is it when you get that peppery flavor?

I have had quite a few with that problem and after a month long steep it disappeared in a couple of them, but in others it seems it may never go away.

What causes that peppery taste?

Seems like EC Blends has an abundance of this. Part of the reason I have only 3 juices I order from them.

Not the only reason though, quite a few I got from them were totally unvapeable.

While I am sure they have other good flavors, I just can't afford to wade thru the bad ones to find the good.

Also, their steep times are long.

Usually 2-3 months.

So anyone know what the peppery flavor is?

Cindy