What IS their problem????

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EddardinWinter

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Right, which is why I said that the ignorance is well-intentioned by the time it filters down to the general public. The guy described in the OP is a bit of a special case because (at least if we take the OP's account at face value) he's just anti-anything-that's-convenient. I don't believe for a second that people like that seriously care about vaping, per se. They're looking for an excuse to assert moral superiority.

As it happens, though, that personality type serves the ANTZ agenda.


Fulgurant:

"He who speaks with thunder"

Impressive posts here, old friend.


Jman:

Good to see you here as well.

Some interesting questions you have posed, as has become your custom.

Edit: I need to find you an avatar, too.


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Tell me about it. I have had people giving me the fake coughs as well but nothing as blunt as that. I deal with a different kind of battle on a daily basis. I'm surrounded by ignorant smokers (Note, they are not ignorant because they smoke, they are just ignorant fools that happen to smoke). I constantly have to hear how electronic cigarettes are worse for your health than the real thing. They heard it somewhere on faux news by a phony doctor and now believe it to be true. When I show them facts and list ingredients in e-liquid they don;t want to hear any of it. They are belligerent and truly believe smoking is safer, all because ecigs are not approved by the FDA. If only they knew that the FDA isn;t interested in your health and that the majority of the things approved by the FDA are posion to your body.

You can;t win with these kinds of people. They have the intelligence of an ape at best and cannot think for themselves or see the big picture. They are molded by the system and drown in the kool aid. The bad thing about being smart and communicating with stupid people is that you seem crazy to them.
 

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Tell me about it. I have had people giving me the fake coughs as well but nothing as blunt as that. I deal with a different kind of battle on a daily basis. I'm surrounded by ignorant smokers (Note, they are not ignorant because they smoke, they are just ignorant fools that happen to smoke). I constantly have to hear how electronic cigarettes are worse for your health than the real thing. They heard it somewhere on faux news by a phony doctor and now believe it to be true. When I show them facts and list ingredients in e-liquid they don;t want to hear any of it. They are belligerent and truly believe smoking is safer, all because ecigs are not approved by the FDA. If only they knew that the FDA isn;t interested in your health and that the majority of the things approved by the FDA are posion to your body.

You can;t win with these kinds of people. They have the intelligence of an ape at best and cannot think for themselves or see the big picture. They are molded by the system and drown in the kool aid. The bad thing about being smart and communicating with stupid people is that you seem crazy to them.

I know the type of people you are talking about. They do the same thing on other objective issues besides ecigs, anything that goes against their preconceived notions or prevailing myths in their circles. Some people refuse to think for themselves, even when presented with undisputable facts. To even get along with some people, I have to agree to disagree, even though I know there is not actually two sides to the issue, so frustrating.

"Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise"
 

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    Let's recap what's coming so we don't have to bother with it:

    The word 'ANTZ' will get thrown around at least 20 more times.

    People will post about reasonable vaping in public vs aggressive vaping.

    The rabid anti-antis will show up in force and start bullying those who dare have a different opinion, calling them Cowards, Weak, and Pinko Commies. (LoL. I can't believe that last one was actually a serious insult at one point.)

    In the end the thread will either end up being entirely comprised of anti-antis slapping each other on the back because they ran off all those with differing views, and just generally telling each other how right they are, or the mods will close it.

    /thread

    LOL heard that in my fav movie The Boondock Saints
     

    Fulgurant

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    Oh for Pete's sake! I can't believe this link. (Thanks for posting it!). Berkeley's next smoking ban may hit home - SFGate

    Heh, yep. Stuff like that's so outrageous that even mentioning it in polite company is likely to label you as a tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist. But sadly, it's true.

    @Eddard - Thanks, man. Loving the avatar, by the way. :)

    EDIT: I just love this bit:

    "Currently, the proposed ordinance, which does not include single-family homes, would rely on landlords or neighbors in multiunit dwellings to complain to the city about smokers, and city staff members in turn would issue warnings, invitations to quit-smoking classes and citations that could ultimately lead to evictions."​

    Encouraging private citizens to inform on each other -- I can't think of any other situation where that sort of policy ended badly. Nope, not a one!
     
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    celticluvr

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    I just got back from the local flea market, where while I was standing at one of the vape booths there I became aware of a tall older man watching me with my vape from the next booth over. Just as I was exhaling he strode quickly up on me, went into a fake coughing fit and angrily said "Don't blow that **** in MY face!"

    Wow... just... wow...

    I've run into a lot of that attitude over the last couple months just around town here, and in places where vaping is allowed too. It would seem that the anti-smoking zealots have a whole new group to hate and harass now, and they are coming after us with great zeal. There's been just too much of it to write about in one post here.

    I read an online news story about how America is in a crisis of anger. Yeah, no kidding! I see it all the time, and some will do anything just for something to get all over the next person about. If they have to make up a reason they will.

    It's getting so I'm afraid to vape in public anymore...

    I'm a 5 foot woman with Irish and Scottish ancestry just try and do that to me:evil:
     

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    I had someone the other day tell me that is 'doesn't look good when I vape'. My response?

    "I don't care what you think" :vapor:

    Boom! That isn't being rude... its just plain old fashioned unfiltered honesty. I love it!

    Im not a very soft mamby pamby person. I am a loyal friend, I support local charities, I volunteer with an EMS explorer program, and with the mentally handicapped. Lay a hand on me and I will break it, talk [deleted] in my direction and I will return the favor... and golden rule... If you don't sign my paycheck or [deleted]you don't get to tell me what to do, and your opinion only matters if I decide its a valid one.

    I save lives for a living as a paramedic. I have put up with untold amounts of abuse, aggression and ignorance on the job... I have held the hand of a dying AIDs patient, prayed with a family ( even though I don't believe in god ) and shown compassion in many instances where anyone else would not. Outside of work you don't get to interrupt my free time with some fake coughing, antagonistic, ignorant, backward behavior. Sure I have the option of being the bigger person, but if I decide I want to let you have it with both barrels... well that's just your problem now isn't it. I carry around a pretty unhealthy amount of PTSD ( 7 years 101st Airborne division with tours in the Persian Gulf )... fortunately I save it up for those that deserve it... I consider it therapy for [deleted] free of charge even.

    Lots of painting with broad strokes in todays world... bad guy, good guy... I think we all have a few shades of both.. its all depends on your point of view.
     
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    Uma

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    I couldn't get past this wiothout laughing-
    I know, right. But, (showing my age here), back in its heyday, Berekley was constantly having a sit in over something or another. Today, they just ohmmmm along with the subliminal brainwashing and GWEN signals while indulging in FDA approved water and food treatments, oh yes, and mellow herbs.

    LOL heard that in my fav movie The Boondock Saints
    OMG!! My favorite movie and sequel. Can't wait til the next one releases. I hope it's in my lifetime lol, but they sure do a great job of not rushing a flop.
     

    EddardinWinter

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    Here you are, Jman. Let me know if you like it, or want something else.

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    Panthersoul

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    i carry my mvp 2 around with a selection of pro tanks and minis. people ask if i use certain oils that are legal in some states. mine they arent. im like no. then get asked if its like an exspensive ***** pipe. lol. im like if that tasted like french toast and my whole collection. id be scared of drugs more than i am. the government would have to make the flavored ones.

    ill spend 5 mins sharing knowledge. working in a bar its a lot people i see when i vape. ive had roughly 12 people switch in 2 weeks. and some of the ones who tried making fun of it. tried it anyways. and he flavors were so true to the name. that they apologized and wanted to know more. one bought a provari. lol
     

    Diogenes

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    Geez, I go to work, come back, and we're on page 8 or 9 already! I feel bad that I'm digging back to page 4 to answer people! Oh wait, I don't feel bad at all...

    Read the OP...apparently getting in someones face to vent was his goal. And now you presume to know what Anja would do if gender was reversed? Classic...

    Ok, I have read what the OP has said, but nowhere did it state in the original post what the goal of this guy had. After your comment, we hear back from the OP, and get more of the story. I'll get to that in a minute, I want to address the part of knowing what Anja would do if gender were reversed. Now, I can't say with 100% certainty, but going on her posts, if I were a betting man, I would surely bet that the response would be much, much different than what it's been on this thread. She has railed on and on about women being weaker, victims, etc, so yeah, I'm sure we would not be getting nowhere near the same response if gender was reversed.

    Anyway, here are the later quotes from the OP. Chas and the OP have pretty much the same theory, this guy was just itching to go off on someone :

    Vaslovik said:
    Because the salesman was dealing with 8 or more customers at the moment, I was waiting behind them, and the man who did this was lurking in the next booth over watching for an opportunity. After putting on his coughing act with me and being nasty to me he quickly walked away. Hit and run.

    Vasolovik said:
    Oh come now! That flea market is a HUGE place, and he was purposefully hanging out right next the the vape booth! If he'd had a long day of being vaped at he was looking for it in the first place. There are only two vape booths in that whole huge area at least 500 yards long by 300 yards wide. He CHOSE to be right where he could complain about vapor. Not the first time I've seen that done either.

    It wasn't his booth he came at me from, so no, he'd not been put upon by vapers all day, and this blaming of vapers for his nastiness is something I don't care for. He was just a nasty man with a chip on his shoulder looking for someone to take it out on.

    Vasolovik said:
    They were all waiting to talk to the vendor in the vape booth and talking with each other when this happened. I think there were 5 men there altogether, and the one that came at me did it so fast and left so quickly I doubt any of them noticed. The incident took no longer than 3 seconds, and the guy walked quickly away.

    He knew what he was about, picking out the woman on the edge of the group there while the rest were otherwise occupied. He knew we were all vapers too, which I'm sure was the reason for his rapid departure, and FYI no one was blowing clouds.


    No, the guy couldn't have been looking to see what was going on at the booth, trying to find out what was drawing a crowd, not at all. He was a malevolent person, just waiting to go off on an unsuspecting person, someone smaller, preferably a woman, lmao, I can't even continue with this!!!

    Look, we don't know if the other 5 or 8 people were vaping as well, so to my understanding, the OP was the only one who was vaping. Secondly, it's human nature to see what is drawing the attention of other people, so the guy reasonably could have been looking to see what was so gosh darn exciting at this vape booth, what was so special that it was drawing a crowd. Think accidents on the highway. Still don't believe me about the human nature part, try this - go to a public outdoor space, where there is a number of people, (preferably more than 2, think crowd). Once you have people around you, tilt your head back, look up into the sky, and start to point. You don't even have to speak, drawing attention to yourself. Just look and point. Then, take a look around you. You will see people looking up and pointing as well.

    As I said above, as far as I know, only the OP was vaping, she said she was. The guy could've gone off simply because of the vape, with no regard for the person, (ie - we don't know if this guy chose the OP on purpose, or was it wrong place wrong time). We simply do not know. For us, mere readers of the thread, we were not there, so we can only speculate on the motives of the guy was. Secondly, because the OP did not know the guy, she cannot accurately say what his motives were. She's already biased by saying he was lurking, waiting for someone like her, etc, etc. Yes, the OP may have seen the "complaining lurker" approach before, so she might have a better feeling regarding those things. But was she observing her observer, or did she just glance around and see the guy there before the incident, and that was it? If she knew the motives of this guy, she really could've been a little more proactive, maybe like yelling something at the guy before he ran off.




    Thank you very much, dear :thumbs:

    Fact is: a man walked up to a woman and attempted to intimidate her. That is what the OP stated. And the OP is a woman. The woman whom this thing happened to, as a matter of fact.

    I always "love" those "and if? and if? " questions :) In my mother tongue we have a saying "And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bus" ;)

    I always "love" those people who try to be cheeky without actually addressing the point. Yes, the OP stated that she was, indeed, a woman, and that a man was the person who came up to her. I am not disputing those facts. Seriously, all you have done was further back up my position that if the roles were reversed, and a woman came up and accosted a man in a manner similar to what has happened to the OP, your response would be non-existent.

    I do applaud you for your humorous attempt to deflect the issue, though. B- for effort.
     
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