What IS their problem????

[Chas F.]

Wow, so standing up for ourselves is causing trouble? Ya, ask Chamberlain how appeasment worked out for the Brits.

And there you go using shaming tactics to get people to think your way, the 'right' way. bravo

 

[B1sh0p]

Wow, so standing up for ourselves is causing trouble? Ya, ask Chamberlain how appeasment worked out for the Brits.

And there you go using shaming tactics to get people to think your way, the 'right' way. bravo

Yes, great example.

My lord, this thread is full of fail.

 

[Vaslovik]

Wow, so standing up for ourselves is causing trouble? Ya, ask Chamberlain how appeasment worked out for the Brits.

And there you go using shaming tactics to get people to think your way, the 'right' way. bravo

That's why I no longer see his posts, or those of his partner in this thread.

 

[bcalvanese]

Wow, so standing up for ourselves is causing trouble? Ya, ask Chamberlain how appeasment worked out for the Brits.

And there you go using shaming tactics to get people to think your way, the 'right' way. bravo

I'm not saying we shouldn't stand up for ourselves as long as we do it the right way. The original post was about a 3 second encounter, and the OP has every right to be upset. She blew it off (which would be the right thing to do IMO), and posted here to express her feelings about it.

I do feel bad that some .... hole did that to her, and she was strong enough to just blow it off and use this forum to vent her feelings. That is a good thing.

The thing that realy troubles me about this thread is, in reading through many of the posts, I can see that there are many rude, aggressive, confrontational people who feel that they can just vape anywhere they want with no respect for other people. And if anyone says something to them, they will beat them like a dog, or they will do this, or that to them.

There ARE people who are just looking for a reason to ban e-cigarettes, and the type of behavior that I am seeing in this thread is just the type of amunition they may need to ban them.

There are many people who have busted their butts to get this community to where it is today, and this type of behavior is just like a big fat slap in the face to them.

Why don't you tell us what the right way is?

 

[Chas F.]

That's all fine and dandy Bob, but I refuse to allow people walk all over me and treat me like trash. I wasn't brought up that way and I wasn't indoctrinated in school to act that way. I agree there is a right way and a wrong way but these ANTZ need to learn that they can't treat people that way and if they do there are consequences to their actions. For too long people have been allowed to treat others like crap because they can!

I never stated what my response would have been. Would I have punched him? Nope, my first reaction would have been verbal and not very polite but at least initially it would have been without cussing. Would I have been confrontational? Nope, responding in kind is NOT being confrontational but instead is using the same tactics that are used against me, I will always rise to the occasion when I believe in my cause.

As far as the posts in this thread go, just how much experience do you have with the e-peen? There is a plethora of people in the world, over 6 billion of them and there is not one exactly like another. With that many different ego's out here I am not surprised by much of what I read.

 

[zoiDman]

Oh come now! That flea market is a HUGE place, and he was purposefully hanging out right next the the vape booth! If he'd had a long day of being vaped at he was looking for it in the first place. There are only two vape booths in that whole huge area at least 500 yards long by 300 yards wide. He CHOSE to be right where he could complain about vapor. Not the first time I've seen that done either.

It wasn't his booth he came at me from, so no, he'd not been put upon by vapers all day, and this blaming of vapers for his nastiness is something I don't care for. He was just a nasty man with a chip on his shoulder looking for someone to take it out on.

Gotcha...

Maybe he was just a Nasty Person who had a Chip on their Shoulder.

There are a lot of people like that Looking for a Reason to Vent on people around them.

 

[bcalvanese]

That's all fine and dandy Bob, but I refuse to allow people walk all over me and treat me like trash. I wasn't brought up that way and I wasn't indoctrinated in school to act that way. I agree there is a right way and a wrong way but these ANTZ need to learn that they can't treat people that way and if they do there are consequences to their actions. For too long people have been allowed to treat others like crap because they can!

I never stated what my response would have been. Would I have punched him? Nope, my first reaction would have been verbal and not very polite but at least initially it would have been without cussing. Would I have been confrontational? Nope, responding in kind is NOT being confrontational but instead is using the same tactics that are used against me, I will always rise to the occasion when I believe in my cause.

As far as the posts in this thread go, just how much experience do you have with the e-peen? There is a plethora of people in the world, over 6 billion of them and there is not one exactly like another. With that many different ego's out here I am not surprised by much of what I read.

I guess your right.

People are people, and I know their gonna do what they do.

It's just troubling that the vaping community is going to wind up suffering because of it.

 

[Anjaffm]

...
I can see that there are many rude, aggressive, confrontational people who feel that they can just attack, insult and verbally abuse any person whom they encounter in any place, with no respect for other people.

fixed that for you

There ARE people who are just looking for a reason to ban e-cigarettes, and the type of behavior that I am seeing in this thread is just the type of amunition they may need to ban them.

No it is not.
The ANTZ need no ammunition. As a matter of fact, all scientific studies are in our favor.
They choose to ignore all studies. Instead, they spread FUD - lies, misinformation, fabrications, horse manure, bovine excrement .. you get my drift - and push for bans - even with monetary incentives (= bribes) for the communities involved.
Even if we vaped in our own basements, in the dark, alone, they would still push for the bans.

As one vaper said, so very well:
Be nice, but don't be mice.

edit:

It's just troubling that the vaping community is going to wind up suffering because of it.

Ooooh... somebody took lessons in spreading FUD, ey?

There are many people who have busted their butts to get this community to where it is today, and this type of behavior is just like a big fat slap in the face to them.

And with 155 postings since June 2012, you are obviously not one of them.
Do remind me to shed a tear when I have time .....

edit2:
some reading material - nice, short, not too difficult:
Why Is The FDA Shielding Smokers From The Good News About E-Cigarettes? - Forbes

author:
Gilbert Ross, M.D., is the executive and medical director of The American Council on Science and Health (ACSH.org) in New York.

 

[Danbrooks2k]

Well I think we have the right to vape next to a vape booth in an outdoor flea market. The dude was being a jerk and making an annoyance of himself at someone else's expense.

I believe in being very respectful to everyone that shows me the same courtesy. However, signing up for an internet forum has not magically transformed me or anyone else into some kind of ambassador for the vape community.

I didn't put up with a whole lot of BS as a soldier, a correctional officer, or as a paramedic on an ambulance. Its not in my nature, and didn't change the day I picked up my first BLU. I have not had a single encounter with a rude person since I started vaping, but I am respectful with where, when and how I vape in public. Someone dumb enough to single me out when I have every right to vape is going to be told in no uncertain terms to get out of my face. Failure to evacuate my personal space may result in them eating an expensive lunch, 40$ worth of MVP II sandwich.

"There are many people who have busted their butts to get this community to where it is today, and this type of behavior is just like a big fat slap in the face to them."

Putting up with abuse from jerks seems like a slap in the face to me... just my two pennies...

 

[bikerbeagle]

I'm not saying we shouldn't stand up for ourselves as long as we do it the right way. The original post was about a 3 second encounter, and the OP has every right to be upset. She blew it off (which would be the right thing to do IMO), and posted here to express her feelings about it.

Actually, no, you've been stating that the "right thing" the OP should have done in this situation was to apologize (for HER rude and disrespectful behavior) and put her device away.

The thing that realy troubles me about this thread is, in reading through many of the posts, I can see that there are many rude, aggressive, confrontational people who feel that they can just vape anywhere they want with no respect for other people.

The thing that really troubles ME about this thread is, you just don't get it. This isn't about "vaping anywhere", it's about someone bullying someone else for ANY REASON. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that, like others have stated, this man chose the OP because he felt like she was the weakest target for his bullying, that she posed no real physical danger to him - much like a predator picking off the smallest, weakest of the herd to kill.

If, in your eyes, standing up to this behavior makes us "rude, aggressive, confrontational" people, then so be it. It will be cold day in ...before you see me apologizing to a bully just because he/she has some kind of issue with something I am legally able to do. If THAT loses us our privilege, then so be it as well.

There is a (not-so-) fine line between being respectful of others ...and being perceived as weak and spineless. No matter what you may think otherwise, nobody respects weak and spineless.

 

[Anjaffm]

@Danbrooks2K:

very well put indeed
Your posting rocks!

@bikerbeagle:

The thing that really troubles ME about this thread is, you just don't get it. This isn't about "vaping anywhere", it's about someone bullying someone else for ANY REASON. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that, like others have stated, this man chose the OP because he felt like she was the weakest target for his bullying, that she posed no real physical danger to him - much like a predator picking off the smallest, weakest of the herd to kill.

If, in your eyes, standing up to this behavior makes us "rude, aggressive, confrontational" people, then so be it. It will be cold day in ...before you see me apologizing to a bully just because he/she has some kind of issue with something I am legally able to do. If THAT loses us our privilege, then so be it as well.

There is a (not-so-) fine line between being respectful of others ...and being perceived as weak and spineless. No matter what you may think otherwise, nobody respects weak and spineless.

Your posting rocks, too!
Thank you for putting it so well!

 

[Mrs C]

I was bullied in school, ignoring them doesn't make them go away. Refusing to be made a victim does.
I said it earlier and I'll say it again.

I give what I get.
Ask me in a civil manner, you will get a smile and a civil response.
Attempt to attack me and I will defend myself.

 

[Chas F.]

I guess your right.

People are people, and I know their gonna do what they do.

It's just troubling that the vaping community is going to wind up suffering because of it.

There is hope yet. Ever hear the saying, 'the best defense is a good offense'? We as a community need to temper our reactions but I'll be the first to block a punch and counter it.

I personally do not believe we can win if we remain reactionary and allow the ANTZ to dictate the rules and playing field. They've had that advantage for too long and many in the smoking community allowed it to happen. We can't be afraid to speak our for ourselves or to point out to those that are 'unaffected' that they just might be next.

 

[DrillRX]

I just got back from the local flea market, where while I was standing at one of the vape booths there I became aware of a tall older man watching me with my vape from the next booth over. Just as I was exhaling he strode quickly up on me, went into a fake coughing fit and angrily said "Don't blow that **** in MY face!"

Wow... just... wow...

I've run into a lot of that attitude over the last couple months just around town here, and in places where vaping is allowed too. It would seem that the anti-smoking zealots have a whole new group to hate and harass now, and they are coming after us with great zeal. There's been just too much of it to write about in one post here.

I read an online news story about how America is in a crisis of anger. Yeah, no kidding! I see it all the time, and some will do anything just for something to get all over the next person about. If they have to make up a reason they will.

It's getting so I'm afraid to vape in public anymore...

Had a similar thing happen to me at work a couple of weeks ago. I was showing a co-worker (who also recently quit smoking to take up vaping), a new mod I purchased, and another person in my office started telling me how much it smelled like smoke and an ashtray, and was just being obnoxious. I just said the exact same thing about the coffee he was holding, which was producing more vapor than I was at that time and just happened to smell like cat piss.

VAPE ON MY FRIEND, AND VAPE HARD!

 

[Anjaffm]

There is hope yet. Ever hear the saying, 'the best defense is a good offense'? We as a community need to temper our reactions but I'll be the first to block a punch and counter it.

I personally do not believe we can win if we remain reactionary and allow the ANTZ to dictate the rules and playing field. They've had that advantage for too long and many in the smoking community allowed it to happen. We can't be afraid to speak our for ourselves or to point out to those that are 'unaffected' that they just might be next.

thank you, dear
And speaking of "unaffected" .. at least for the present time (!):

Possible lessons from the tobacco experience for obesity control.[Am J Clin Nutr. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI
- do note the word "control" please.

The disease of ‘public health’ We are in the midst of an epidemic of lifestyle moralism.

And how was that with the Mayor of New York City trying to ban large servings of soda pop?

 

[Sundodger]

+1,000,000

The ONLY good thing that has come out of this thread is... Now we have a list of the trouble makers who are going to ruin it for the people who are trying to do this the RIGHT way.

You know who you are... and now... so does everyone else.

But atleast everyone knows who you are now.

I didn't get a chance to chime in, so I hope it's not to late for me to get my name on your list? I would proudly put my name with the others that refuse to bend over and allow someone else to run them or others over just because a lot of people have been programmed to bow to such behavior.
Not me man! Sign me up!

 

[Anjaffm]

Oh yes, Sundodger!
I forgot all about that!

Yes, let that guy sign me up to that list please

- the list of those people who stand up for themselves
- the list of those people who will not be bullied (yes, also if they are female)
- the list of those people who will not mumble "sorry" and slink away when verbally attacked by obnoxious jerks
- the list of those people who walk with their heads held high



YES! Do sign me up please!

(and I wonder who will sign up for the other list, the list of spineless weaklings who seem to believe in "be quiet, children, and go away. Then Santa will give you a nice present" - Santa indeed )

 

[Danbrooks2k]

Do I need to carry a card now? Should I tell my neighbors that I vape, or be in a database?

Soooooo? I'm on the list then?

 

[bcalvanese]

I'm sorry for trying to make something posotive out of this, and many of you seem to be more rude and agressive than the very people you are complaining about. You even have a name (ANTZ) that you have stereotyped them into.

You have twisted what I am trying to say around to fit your oppinions, so no matter what I say at this point, I will just keep being attacked anyway.

I have seen more aggression in this thread alone than I have ever seen aggression against vaping. And I have been vaping for going on 3 years now. That right there says a lot.

I was in the Army for 6 years, and I don't put up with a lot of ..... either, but I do know it's allways better to try and defuse a situation first.

 

[Arnie H]

I just got back from the local flea market, where while I was standing at one of the vape booths there I became aware of a tall older man watching me with my vape from the next booth over. Just as I was exhaling he strode quickly up on me, went into a fake coughing fit and angrily said "Don't blow that **** in MY face!"

Wow... just... wow...

I've run into a lot of that attitude over the last couple months just around town here, and in places where vaping is allowed too. It would seem that the anti-smoking zealots have a whole new group to hate and harass now, and they are coming after us with great zeal. There's been just too much of it to write about in one post here. I'm gonna keep vaping though.

I read an online news story about how America is in a crisis of anger. Yeah, no kidding! I see it all the time, and some will do anything just for something to get all over the next person about. If they have to make up a reason they will.

It's getting so I'm afraid to vape in public anymore...

Whatever happened to live and let live? Many of the anti-ecig people are extraordinarily intelligent and know exactly what these devices are, and will not hesitate to tell you to cease and desist. How familiar they are with the law though, is a different matter. Never had anyone curse at me though, or get up in my face. Not gonna stop vaping in public though.