What IS their problem????
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Keep on vaping but be courteous. Rolling over for a bully just invites them to do more of it.
This anti-ecig fevor is fulled by the fact this is projected to be a multi-billion dollar industry that has gone unregulated. i.e. market control. I know tobacco products are included in the secret TPP (trade agreement) and those tump domestic laws. Whenever there's a huge divide between public opinion and corporate / court opinion, you can bet on the fact there's an international trade agreement making an end run around popular democracy. It's that way for a lot of industries. That's why bankers don't get charged with fraud and BP doesn't pay to clean up it's own mess. Some view vaping as an attack on wall street.
Smaller gov't = gov't becomes a puppet for corporations.
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From the "be respectful and try not to vape in public crowd" then everyone, including ANTZ types, are ambassadors for vaping. Because, if you are not into openly vaping in public, but are pro vaping, then how is anyone in public to know this?
But you are speaking to the sub-group that will openly vape in public, and as I am one of those, I feel very confident that I go about it in a respectful way. Not 100% of the time, but I'd say around 85% of the time. So, keeping a polite distance (whatever that is exactly) is something I do when I vape in public. As did OP of this thread. I'm yet to encounter anyone that took issue with my vaping in a public space. OP provided a good example of the other side of the equation that I feel is at least partially what we are up against. And in essence, politically speaking, it is precisely what we are up against. Even among vapers in the vaping community - who say, 'don't blow it in other people's faces.' Of all the times I have vaped in public, including that 15% of time I indirectly referenced before as me not being entirely respectful, I cannot think of a situation where I had opportunity to blow it in a person's face. I can think of hypothetical situations where that could come up (like standing in a line that isn't moving, and I'm feeling impatient enough to say heck I'm just going to vape right here, right now). Those sort of situations are a bit dicey IMO, cause in that same hypothetical, based on my experiences in public, I can imagine many people doing things that would be seen as 'invading the immediate space of others.'
But in say a restaurant, or cafe, or mall, I feel I am always at a 'polite distance' from every other person in the establishment. Thus, blowing vapor into people's faces simply never comes up. Likewise, I can imagine being in a hospital ward (really doesn't matter which one does it?) and maintaining a polite distance from all persons present, and respectfully vaping. I would like to have that discussion with anyone that cares to as to why that particular place is deemed an automatic no-go for vaping. And in the course of that discussion, if I or anyone, can make case for respectful, open vaping in that situation, then I'm thinking it would be much easier to make the case for a whole bunch of other public situations.
Yet, if the nemesis brought up in OP is present, then there really is no place on this planet, that is good for vaping, including own premises. Might seem outlandish right now to even consider that sort of reasoning, but look how smoking bans are transpiring. If I were on the other side of this political debate, I'd be using that as the guideline for how to get rid of vaping not only in public, but in society.
Anja, San Francisco is trying for 2 cents an ounce tax on soda sells now. So far, it's being fought hard, thank goodness. So far it's the subliminal approach... Get everyone used to the thought, say it's for a good cause like "save the children", get people tired of hearing it, tired of fighting it, then like a tired parent, give in to the monster brat child and give them money to shut them up.
Ps. There's nothing wrong with encouraging a 5'3" woman to defend herself against unwanted approaches from attackative people.
It is shameful, however, to try to shame a person from self defense, if they happen to be a Vaper or any political correctness situation person. In fact, it's downright deplorable.
Did you know that they teach computer classes to prisoners, to prepare them for the outside world? What about muggers and rappers who aren't in prison ATM? Let's keep this real.
Don't believe everyone you hear on the internet, and never ever give up your right to defend yourself from attackative, threatening people.
Ps. There's nothing wrong with encouraging a 5'3" woman to defend herself against unwanted approaches from attackative people.
It is shameful, however, to try to shame a person from self defense, if they happen to be a Vaper or any political correctness situation person. In fact, it's downright deplorable.
Did you know that they teach computer classes to prisoners, to prepare them for the outside world? What about muggers and rappers who aren't in prison ATM? Let's keep this real.
Don't believe everyone you hear on the internet, and never ever give up your right to defend yourself from attackative, threatening people.
Verbal abuse is one thing, physical violence is another (although both are motivated by many of the same things). Being raised in an urban environment/large city makes you naturally aware of your surroundings and ready for anything. Old habits die hard. It is a necessary component of survival where crime is ever present. Meekness/weakness or more importantly the appearance of being this way, can make you a potential target/victim.
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The OP was relating an incident, a "random and/or calculated Hit and Run" by a person stuck on stupid. Our own choice of personal appearance or behavior, as individuals, tends to bring out these type of ignorant people.
You can't fix STUPID.
Could of, should of, would of, regardless, the whole point was relating an incident that many have had or will encounter, and I thank the OP for presenting it. The action of the offender was deliberate and uncalled for, but it is what it is. He wasn't waiting for a reaction, explanation, apology, or a punch in the nose, he was a coward and ran away into the crowd. If he had approached the OP in a different manner, he may have found a very delightful person, but he missed that opportunity.
Vaslovik, again thank you for sharing.
well said, Uma.
And about the attempted money-grab on soda.. well, here we go
The Wages of Sin Taxes: The True Cost of Taxing Alcohol, Tobacco and Other "Vices" | Adam Smith Institute
(from 2012)
This next article is a real eye-opener for anybody who is under the mistaken impression that any kind of health nazis will desist and pat us on the head "good boy, good boy, here is a biscuit" if we just shut up and slink away - They have the next items on their agenda already. It is about control. .. oh yes.. and a little extra money in the pockets of Big Government has never hurt either.. at least not Big Government...
THE DISEASE OF ‘PUBLIC HEALTH’ - We are in the midst of an epidemic of lifestyle moralism.
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Nasty people need somebody to hate. (Hey.. I am from Germany.. ok?)
Big Industry wants to make a buck.
And Big Government wants to put its hand into our pockets as deeply as they can.
This whole thing has nothing to do with whether one lady vapes in an open space or not.
This whole thing goes a whole lot deeper.
Hold on to your sodas, dears.
This here is from 1975:
Insert "soda drinker" for "smoker" - and let us talk again in 10 years.
And about the attempted money-grab on soda.. well, here we go
The Wages of Sin Taxes: The True Cost of Taxing Alcohol, Tobacco and Other "Vices" | Adam Smith Institute
(from 2012)
This next article is a real eye-opener for anybody who is under the mistaken impression that any kind of health nazis will desist and pat us on the head "good boy, good boy, here is a biscuit" if we just shut up and slink away
- They have the next items on their agenda already. It is about control. .. oh yes.. and a little extra money in the pockets of Big Government has never hurt either.. at least not Big Government... THE DISEASE OF ‘PUBLIC HEALTH’ - We are in the midst of an epidemic of lifestyle moralism.
small quote:
Nasty people need somebody to hate. (Hey.. I am from Germany.. ok?)
Big Industry wants to make a buck.
And Big Government wants to put its hand into our pockets as deeply as they can.
This whole thing has nothing to do with whether one lady vapes in an open space or not.
This whole thing goes a whole lot deeper.
Hold on to your sodas, dears.
This here is from 1975:
source: Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger
Insert "soda drinker" for "smoker" - and let us talk again in 10 years.
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So this has degenerated into the "Antis are out to get us even though we're entirely innocent" thread. Great.
I defend myself. I choose to defend myself, all the while not stooping to their level, and will first try to squash the situation by responding in respectful manner. It is possible to defend yourself without having to match that person's horrid attitude yourself. You know, "two wrongs don't make a right" and "catch more bees with honey than vinegar", etc.
We also know who all the wimps are who will crumble at the first sign of opposition.
If our forefathers had your attitude we would all be british subjects right now.
there comes a time when you must fight for your rights or you won't have any.
I'm certainly not advocating being rude to nonsmokers and blowing clouds in their face etc. but if you read the OPs story this man approached her not the other way around in this instance she was in the right
Let's recap what's coming so we don't have to bother with it:
The word 'ANTZ' will get thrown around at least 20 more times.
People will post about reasonable vaping in public vs aggressive vaping.
The rabid anti-antis will show up in force and start bullying those who dare have a different opinion, calling them Cowards, Weak, and Pinko Commies. (LoL. I can't believe that last one was actually a serious insult at one point.)
In the end the thread will either end up being entirely comprised of anti-antis slapping each other on the back because they ran off all those with differing views, and just generally telling each other how right they are, or the mods will close it.
/thread
The word 'ANTZ' will get thrown around at least 20 more times.
People will post about reasonable vaping in public vs aggressive vaping.
The rabid anti-antis will show up in force and start bullying those who dare have a different opinion, calling them Cowards, Weak, and Pinko Commies. (LoL. I can't believe that last one was actually a serious insult at one point.)
In the end the thread will either end up being entirely comprised of anti-antis slapping each other on the back because they ran off all those with differing views, and just generally telling each other how right they are, or the mods will close it.
/thread
Plain and simple the OP was harassed. That is a form of persecution/verbal attack. Of course, the guy doing the harassing was probably not playing with a full set of cards and there are a lot of people out and about also lacking in the sanity department.
I wonder what would have happened if the OP had started screaming "HELP!" and waited until a security guard showed up. If it made the news it would probably read "Woman attacked while minding her business while shopping at an ecig vendor."
I wonder what would have happened if the OP had started screaming "HELP!" and waited until a security guard showed up. If it made the news it would probably read "Woman attacked while minding her business while shopping at an ecig vendor."
I don't have a freaking clue what that means, but it almost caused me to spit out my coffee, lol.
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Oh come on... do sign us up on your list, please!
The list of honor.
And I do want a card! "Anja M, human being. Step on her at your own risk"
This thread is the list and the posts speak for themselves, and you seem to be right at the top so far...
You should take pride in being the most rude and aggressive. The way you egg people on to try and get a rise out of them is amazing. Did you have formal training for that or does it just come naturally.
Picking a fight; 9 out of 10
Rudeness: 9 out of 10
Potential for the banning of e-cigs: 9 out of 10
Ability to respect others: 0 out of 10
Support for the vaping community: 1 out of 10
Great scores... you should be very proud of yourself...LOL
It goes back to the Red Scare of the 50's. Anything 'Un-American' was considered commie. I think the Pinko was a reference to pink being a watered down red, but I'm too lazy to google it and verify.
So much hate in this. You sir are even more militant and aggressive just on the side of the ANTZ. War monger? Really?
Yeah... That's about the way things will go down.
If you've been are here for awhile, you see that it is a Very Predictable progression.
If someone verbally confronts me- which hasn't happened since middle school- I'll walk away. A verbal 'assault' isn't worth me getting arrested, going to jail, losing my job and the agony it would cause my wife and family. Is that being a coward? Maybe. At the end of the day, I'm going home to my wife, while the confronter goes about his miserable life. I win.
If physically assaulted, I'll put the guy in a 3/4 nelson until he calms down. Last thing I need is a broken hand
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