What made the transition off analogues easier for you?

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kathyst

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Started vaping 7 weeks ago. I have a 510. I was smoking close to 2 packs of cigs a day.

In my mind I got PV to cut back because I have tried everything to quit and nothing worked so e-cig was not going to be the end all be all LOL.

This way if I cut back I did not have the anxiety of quiting that we get. I told myself I was allowed 5 cigs a day and would write the day of the week on my pack so I could keep track of it. I was able to manage with 4 a day at first with no problems. I then went to 3 or 4. Now I am at 2 to 3. Yesterday I started having 1/2 of a cig at my cig times. This morning I had 1/2 of a cig instead of the whole thing. I feel for me a gradual cut down is best. I allowed myself a smoke in the morning at 4:00 and at 9:00. This way at lets say 2:00 if I was craving a cig I would just tell myself only 2 hours and I can have one.

I thinks its a matter of brainwashing myself but its working. I do hope to get off the analogs at some point soon and then work down the nic level. I started vaping 18mg felt I needed stronger and went to 24mg and now I am back down to 18 with an occasional 36 drop at trying times.

I just love all the specifics of what everyone is doing. This sounds good, like it's working well for you, dts. Whatever works. I'm the kind who will do something like you are doing for myself, as far as "allowing" myself an analog (if I want one) at such-and-such a time of day. I'm glad you're almost down to none.

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I've had my 510 for a week now, and I'm down to 4 analogs a day (down from a little over a pack a day)... It was a slow start, because the starter kit I got came with one manual, and one automatic battery... I hated the automatic immediately, and sent it back, so I had to make do with one battery for the first few days, until my order of spare manual batteries arrived.

I find that I crave an analog most first thing in the morning, and after meals... Somehow, vapor doesn't seem like an adequate substitute at those times... But I'm happy to vape the rest of the day... Perhaps I should use 36mg for those times when I crave an analog the most. Right now, I'm alternating between 18mg and 24mg.

When I do smoke, I'm starting to find the experience somewhat revolting... Not only the taste, but the way it makes me feel... Like I can literally feel the effects of all the poison in the smoke... It's like a dirty buzz... if that makes any sense.

Yes, it does make sense. That's a good thing to be reminded of, for me. Of how "poison" and nasty it is, smoking tobacco. And in contrast, how great an alternative is vaping.

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First e-cig was a SE 2.0 I bought in mid-March, used it 2 or 3 times and didn't like it. Found this site, did some research and bought a 510 at the end of March. I went thru a 9 day transition period, vaping and analogs. I finished my last pack of analogs on Apr 5th and haven't had an analog since. The new tax increase was a motivator along with the social bullying of smokers that has taken hold, but the goal was always to quit for my health. Like a lot of folks I've tried the usual suspects, hypnosis, Zyban, patches, gum, etc. I started with and am still using 16-18mg juice. I recently bought a big bottle of 11 mg to step down the nic. The goal is to get to zero. I'm in no hurry and have no time table. This is working for me and I'm confident I can stay off analogs.

I love this idea also. That's what I was struck by from the moment I got my first e-cig kit. I started to feel relaxed about quitting smoking. Finally knowing there is a real alternative for the likes of me (as opposed to all the other ways you mentioned, which I also tried), has taken away the anxiety of quitting smoking.

I'm glad it's working for you, Anonomo, and I'm confident for you also! :)

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Interest/desire - Ya gotta wanna, or need to, or have some strong personal motivation. I'd been looking to cut back and/or quit but couldn't/wouldn't do it. I smoked generic ultra lights for many years and in the last year or so had started poking small holes in the cigs, next to the filter, to waft out some of the strength, doing that kind of stuff. e-cig's provided an acceptable middle ground. On a very granular level the similiarities were strong enough to run with. The differences I looked at as clearly as I could to determine - is this working and if it is/isn't, what's going on? I'm still doing that, but I think I past Hump Day of the transition this week.

Weighing the Tradeoffs - I had smoke, smell, ashes, garbage, mess, hassles up the ying yang smoking cigarettes. The process is a train wreck for anyone but the most casual smoker and even then you're at risk of accidentally setting yourself on fire. Oh, and it will be an expensive fire, as costs are constantly going up - smokers have become the Well Of First Choice for government to dip into -after all, if you're going to kill yourself smoking you might as well fund a school somewhere doing it.

Plus, you're hated by nearly everyone and reviled by Health Services who prefer to help people that don't smoke as anyone who can read a label knows it's bad for you. Make room in line for those who aren't actively sticking rusty nails into their hearts.

Where's the "win" in that? It's expensive, I don't like it, no one else does and if I die from it the Obit will probably read "We Told Him But He Wouldn't Listen...We Loved Him Anyway!".

So I weigh the tradeoff - now I've got chargers, batteries, atomizers and stuff yeah - but its' interesting stuff, with little lights and instructions in weird Chinese/English. I feel very global and even slightly European doing the e-cig's.

And it's Cheaper Stuff, that isn't delivering clouds of brown smoke into my lungs and the world around me. I can Vape on the run, quickie and put it in my pocket. No Toxic Mushroom Clouds. Now I've got sweet little whiffs of air that's ... gone almost as soon as I produce it. It may not be a win-win but at least it's a win. I got one win, at least. Score = "1!" to "-1000" :D

Tangible Stuff That Helped - I use the RN 4081, and like it. I can get a hit from my li'l Nic' Bic and I'm good to go. And this board. It's a veritable Reading Room of Hope. :D

This is the stuff that's helped me and I'm still running it all down as I go. Good luck in abundance and best wishes for a successful tomorrow and a prosperous today!

I not only love your story and agree with every single word, but I'm LOL'ing! Great post -- you are too much.

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I'm another accidental quitter.. after smoking 30+ years I'm now at 21 days with nary an analog as of today. I started out a year ago with a pen style but after a few half-hearted tries it wound up stuck on a shelf in the office.

In early May I saw someone asking about another brand (a super mini) and ordered it. It is not what I'm using now but the size and throat made me wonder.. so I put my analogs on top of the fridge while on the computer and I found I didn't need to dash to the kitchen much at all. After a few days I started to prefer the taste of the e-cig.

Most important, I didn't feel deprived. It didn't feel like quitting. As someone in an earlier post noted, it felt more like changing brands. Going from 30+ years of two packs a day, I didn't consider quitting. It just happened.

I just wanted something I could legally puff in a hotel room when traveling. I wound up not buying any more analogs which really surprised me. If someone set my favorite analog next to my e-cig today I'd pick up the e-cig without thought. I like it better now.

I guess it's mostly a matter of finding a model that fits, whether it's an atomic super dooper vapor machine or a teeny tiny mini. Whatever works for each person.

I love this, too, Leita. I am just getting all crazy-inspired here tonight!

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I am glad to be in the company of all of you, going through this together.
It does help to know there are other people out there going through the same thing. But it's different from just knowing there are other people going through the tortures of the damned while trying to quit "cold turkey." It's fascinating hearing one success-story after another due to this e-cig technology. That's a cool thing: rather than oy, this is miserable it's more like wow...this is working. Pretty striking difference.

The non-smoker would say (and they have said this to me): yeah, but you're still addicted to nicotine. Ok, fair enough. I don't have a clever answer to that one. I can say only: right you are -- and I'm not breathing in arsenic, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, and the other horrific stuff that it's said you ingest when smoking cigarettes. A perfect world, it's not.

It's also a good thing because as you point out, non-smokers -- even those who mean well (as opposed to the ones who enjoy occupying some Higher Moral Plane Than Thou...don't get me started) -- don't know what it means to a die-hard smoker to cut down to this level I've gotten to. And I don't expect them to "relate" to it, either.

only four cigs in a day.
Didn't do quite that well today. :-( But I didn't back-slide too far.

And then we'll figure out the last little piece of the puzzle that makes us want to inhale burning tobacco (it's probably something primal)...
Yes, that part is odd. Those "triggers" for smoking are pretty compelling once the habit is ingrained: starting a phone call; driving; after meals; break time at work; having a drink with friends. Or: moments of stress. Etc.

Those things aside, the habit of it probably is primal -- it goes back a long time...
 

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I also think if you feel the need to have some analog's nearby, just go ahead and by some disgusting 3rd rate **** smokes.(get the true taste of analogs) It's a whole different ball game when it's not your old trusty favorites.

Yet another good trick! My usual and only brand is American Spirits. If I got some crappy junky cigs, who would even want to bother with them? Good idea.

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E-Cigs won't prevent all the withdrawal symptoms, I'm sure that the chemicals in analogs either act to buffer the addiction or are addictive themselves, perhaps in some confounding manner.

You know what the trick was for me? Knowing I was no longer paying taxes to the gov't. Society wants to demonize smokers and levy punitive sin taxes on cigarettes, then I refuse to pay them. Go tax something they'll have to pay.

BTW, I don't think the addiction is the hardest part to give up, figuring out what the hell to do with all the time you spend waiting around is.

Sorry for all these posts by me -- but I'm just loving everyone's posts and have to reply.

You are so right, Mr. Bundy, about the damn taxes! As John R said, we're the coffer of choice, smokers are. Well, forget that!

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for me its not having the option for an analog. if there are analogs in the house, i will smoke them . ive already proven that to myself(unfortunately my brother is staying with us and he smokes analogs, so they are around when hes home). ive only been analog free for 2 days since i started, but the other days ive only had 2-5 (one day i smoked 10 because i went to work thinking it was only going to be a half day and ended up being a full day and i didnt bring my charger with me so i went and bought a pack, but still only smoked 10 in the time period i normally wouldve smoked a whole pack and started my next already). i still get the urge for an analog multiple times a day and i would definatley go have one if i had them, but theyre not around so i dont have the option and im not going to go to the store to buy a pack as that would, IMO, be a complete failure when i have my VP right here. im hoping when i find my "perfect" juice i will no longer get the urge for analogs.

i honestly think i get less nicotine now with the VP and ill be able to quit nicotine completely.
 

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Yet another good trick! My usual and only brand is American Spirits. If I got some crappy junky cigs, who would even want to bother with them? Good idea.
Or you could buy yourself a pack of . . .

E E E E E E E E E E E E E K !

. . . clove cigarettes. (I hope they don't throw me out of the forum for saying such a thing.) Geez, I should do that to myself when I get a craving for tobacco. I think there's one ancient pack of clove cigarettes around here somewhere. Argh, would I ever be grossed out.
 
"Great post -- you are too much."

My pleasure. If we had a nickel for every time I've heard that this week we could split a stamp. :D Thanks Kathy!

Something else that's helping me - all the cool helpsters on this forum. Board thing. Users of the e-cig celebrate the cause and the struggle openly and with a sense of the inevitability of success that here at last is an idea whose time has fully come and for once this time - we're on the front end and not reading about it as Another Great Idea You Missed Last Year.

When I smoked cigarettes - the only celebration was a day when someone didn't flip me off on the freeway in rush hour traffic and scream out their car window "Stop killing us!!!" Smokers don't share success stories, they pray for anonymity and the occasional Designated Smoking Area that's within walking distance and not too close to a dumpster.

Anyhoo - yeah, I may stop getting Christmas cards from the local Quik Mart owner now where I used to buy smokies and lighters, but that's the way it goes. Change...is good. :D
 
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Thank heavens for the forum and all those willing to share!

My tough times are working in the yard or the workshop. Too used to having one "hang."

Like any good weapons system those analogs are just "fire and forget" - too easy, and too ingrained.

Like the NPro - but hard to use out and about. My 510 sits comfortably now in a nylon holster made for the MiniMag flashlight (you can find those at Amazon - don't get the velcro job, just the solid one - easier for those quick draws!) and that settled the issue for me.

Best!!
 

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I was having a conversation with someone who said she was either a smoker or a non smoker. I'll always be a smoker whether or not I'm smoking. I have always enjoyed my cigarettes. I just didn't like that they were not healthy for me,or anyone else around me,and I did not like how I was made to feel,by others,because I smoke. I have had people ask me if I am trying to quit, I'm not. I want my cake and eat it too!

I still smoke a cigarette every now and then and I am trying to cut my Nicotine intake by cutting my juice with VG.(Because I tend to hit it alot) But I the reason I got my e-cig is because I wanted to continue to smoke,in a healthier way
 

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I finally understand what you mean by this, you who have mentioned it. Go outside like you are used to going outside, to get your fix in the accustomed way. Good idea.
That's what I do as well.

When I want to have a smoke, I take my 510 outside like I would a cigarette.
It's only been a week, but it's certainly working so far.

I also liked to smoke in the car on long drives, and had to roll down the windows so my wife wouldn't suffer quite as much. Driving through the desert on the way to Las Vegas with the air conditioner on, well, that really posed a problem. And as you can imagine, there were plenty of other times my wife didn't want her hair getting all messed up just so I could light up.

Yesterday we had a long drive through 100 degree temperatures.
I pulled out my 510 and took a few puffs with the windows all rolled up instead of down.
My wife said she couldn't even smell it.
 
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Thanks everyone for sharing your stories and advice! It has been encouraging and helpful for me to hear different tips, and also see that I'm not alone in having to phase out analogues gradually. Over the past couple days I've been smoking fewer cigs, and finding that I can satisfy my cravings with my PV. I'm looking forward to the day that I fully realize that I no longer need analogues at all.

Good luck everyone! :)
 

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Thanks everyone for sharing your stories and advice! It has been encouraging and helpful for me to hear different tips, and also see that I'm not alone in having to phase out analogues gradually. Over the past couple days I've been smoking fewer cigs, and finding that I can satisfy my cravings with my PV. I'm looking forward to the day that I fully realize that I no longer need analogues at all.
Some people seem to give 'em up at once. I'm not doing that...did 4 today so far (6 yesterday, down from 22-25 per day). We went to dinner with a couple of smokers and when we were done and outside the restaurant, of course they lit up. I took out the 510. The cigarette smoke should have made me gag, but (sigh) it actually smelled good and when I went home...sigh again...I made one with the injector machine and smoked it. It tasted pretty awful, but I got most of the way through it. What is this habit, anyway? I thought. Then something struck me: part of it -- as dumb as this sounds -- seemed to be that smoking the cigarette is a kind of break. It has a beginning, a middle, and an end (just like the cigarette itself as it gets smoked down). Then, the "session" is over. I wondered if that wasn't part of the appeal (why it would be, I can't imagine). With the e-cig, I can just puff away at my desk -- there's no "break" in it. Aw, who knows...anyway, there must be a lot of habitual behavior in smoking having nothing to do with the nicotine craving itself.

That moment outside the restaurant was a good illustration that people don't make a move cigarette-wise until they're good and ready. I tried to get the one guy interested in the e-cig idea (his wife had said to me earlier in the day that she's a bit concerned about his regularly occurring cough) but he brushed it aside right away. Well then, I offered, I could show you those tar-reducing filters -- nope, he brushed that one off immediately also. Too bad -- but I understood his not wanting to think about it. He will when he's had enough, and not before.
 
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- but I understood his not wanting to think about it. He will when he's had enough, and not before.

Such is true with any addiction, be it drugs, or alcohol, or nicotine... You have to want to stop for yourself, and for most people, that moment doesn't come until they've had enough... If it comes at all.

Has anybody encountered any resentment from friends who have successfully quit smoking by other methods? No one has come right out and expressed it to me outright, but I could sense from a couple of people that they're thinking: "Damn! I had to quit the hard way!"

How about negativity from people who still smoke analogs? Since I started vaping, I've found that most smokers I know have been pretty interested in learning about e-cigs... but I've also had a couple of smokers roll their eyes, or make mildly derogatory comments... Saturday night, I was talking to a few of my friends about my 510, when this one woman (I don't know her very well) seemed to have a problem with the fact that the juice comes in different flavors... (She was smoking some generic, discount brand, like "USA Gold" or something, so I guess she has something against flavor in general) then she walked away from the conversation as if she couldn't tolerate another minute of it! Shaking her head, and muttering something under her breath with intense disapproval... Everybody turned back to me, and I just shrugged and said: "I dunno about her, but I like the different flavors...."
 

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Has anybody encountered any resentment from friends who have successfully quit smoking by other methods?

I think the guy this evening who blew off talking about the e-cigs might have felt a bit peeved, thinking I was going to launch into some sermon. (Who knows...given the chance, I might have. :) On seeing that he really didn't want to talk about it, I let it drop. He's a neighbor. No point getting at odds with the neighbors.

How about negativity from people who still smoke analogs?
These days almost nobody I know smokes cigarettes. So friends' reactions range from vaguely amused (the e-cig seems like kind of a toy or gimmick, I guess) to "attaboy!" Actually so far all of them have been encouraging. Seeing someone who's smoked for a long time cut down to some fraction of his former amount strikes them as a good thing. One guy (who never smoked) is flat-out amazed. "Unbelievable," he keeps saying when he sees the e-cig in action.

but I've also had a couple of smokers roll their eyes, or make mildly derogatory comments...
We've all run into anti-smoking "nazis" at some point. Maybe they're concerned that you're about to start dumping on them in that fashion?

(She was smoking some generic, discount brand, like "USA Gold" or something, so I guess she has something against flavor in general)
Not that she has much of a choice in the matter if she's going to smoke tobacco. Who knows -- maybe there's a puritan "element" in this. As in: "If you [we] are going to smoke, you [we] are supposed to suffer."
 
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