What makes a good vape?

[new kid]

Yes, I am over analyizing. Guess I'm an engineer at heart.

Thanks for the feed back though. Did anyone figure out what thread I was talking about?

 

[new kid]

Looks good. On the "subjective" end....unlike bushmaster....throat hit is my LEAST important factor. I like vapor. Lots of vapor. Then flavor.....

And I like your new Gilligan avi, new kid.

Thanks, all that talk about REO Speed wagon the other day got me going down memory lane....

 

[Train2]

I think part of the "trouble" is that you'd been discussing "Vape Quality" without defining it.
You're going to have some people considering ONLY the purely subjective aspects - "do i like it" - which, it seems to me, is going to be BY definition, completely subjective - thus we'll always need to find a juice reviewer whose tastes seem to run similar to ours...

There ARE some aspects beyond Ohms+Juice that could be MEASURED - that part is missing.
Devise a way to MEASURE the actual vapor production of various hardware setups. And it may be feasible to measure some aspects that contribute to throat hit - vapor temp, nic content, etc.

 

[malkuth]

I think part of the "trouble" is that you'd been discussing "Vape Quality" without defining it.
You're going to have some people considering ONLY the purely subjective aspects - "do i like it" - which, it seems to me, is going to be BY definition, completely subjective - thus we'll always need to find a juice reviewer whose tastes seem to run similar to ours...

There ARE some aspects beyond Ohms+Juice that could be MEASURED - that part is missing.
Devise a way to MEASURE the actual vapor production of various hardware setups. And it may be feasible to measure some aspects that contribute to throat hit - vapor temp, nic content, etc.

You know, I was old enough to have witnessed the beginnings of the "testing" of cigarettes. They pictured a machine that they stuck a cigarette in, and it "smoked" the cigarette. It draw air through the cigarette, and into a machine so they could analyze the smoke that was being produced. Perhaps we would need to have some sort of machine invented for us that would measure the quantity of vapor produced, the heat of the vapor, and of course the flavors present in the vapor. Big tobacco probably has those machines laying around not being used cause they do not want to have any evidence of what is included in cigarette smoke.

 

[super_X_drifter]

You know, I was old enough to have witnessed the beginnings of the "testing" of cigarettes. They pictured a machine that they stuck a cigarette in, and it "smoked" the cigarette. It draw air through the cigarette, and into a machine so they could analyze the smoke that was being produced. Perhaps we would need to have some sort of machine invented for us that would measure the quantity of vapor produced, the heat of the vapor, and of course the flavors present in the vapor. Big tobacco probably has those machines laying around not being used cause they do not want to have any evidence of what is included in cigarette smoke.

Hey Sam, Im fortunate enough to have me one of those vape checkers. Its kinda old and beat up, but still works like brand new. It's hard to capture a picture of it cause its usually obstructed by a REO of some grand variety, but here is a shot of it

 

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[lunchbox0]

Hey Sam, Im fortunate enough to have me one of those vape checkers. Its kinda old and beat up, but still works like brand new. It's hard to capture a picture of it cause its usually obstructed by a REO of some grand variety, but here is a shot of it

I got a slightly newer model vape tester with different OS, works great but i'm going through a lot of juice with all the testing i do.

I really think that Ohm's law only applies to the power of the entire system and that we should consider the atomizer a isolated sub-system. The efficiency of the coil/atomizer to transfer heat to the juice should be the determining factor here. Ohm's law simply defines what "total" power was used, how that power was used should be what we are looking at. It's measuring that efficiency though that seems to be very subjective do to the testing process. The micro-coil seems to provide an even heat distribution over non-micro coils. I think the even heat provides a better means of producing equivalent temperature vapor off the entire coil, unlike hotspots burning and cooler spots not doing as much. The consistent temperature of the coil provides a better vape and does so more efficiently IMHO.

 

[FeistyAlice]

Feisty Alice, where do you position your coils. Close to the base or middle or top toward the top of the posts?

I am by no means the go-to person for coil advice. I've only been doing microcoils and cotton a few weeks. Here's a coil I did at least two weeks ago and it's still vaping like a champ on Mini 1.0. Most of mine look similar. It's 30 ga Kanthal, my favorite to work with. It measured 1.64 ohms newly built and today. It's had a dry burn every couple of days and rewick. I made it on a small, metal, cheap jeweler's screwdriver probably 1/16. I just squeezed the coils against the handle but didn't squeeze them tighter after heat applied. It took longer to put it on than to make.

Just counted loops. Looks to be 10 full with legs adding a bit of resistance. Perfect for my sweet 50/50 PG/VG Butterscotch and FSUSA Applewood blend.

 

[Treebeard]

Thanks a bunch. Your pics helped.

 

[Statistic]

Science..

Science makes a good vape. In fact.. science is so powerful it can make a good vape bad

 

[new kid]

I got a slightly newer model vape tester with different OS, works great but i'm going through a lot of juice with all the testing i do.

I really think that Ohm's law only applies to the power of the entire system and that we should consider the atomizer a isolated sub-system. The efficiency of the coil/atomizer to transfer heat to the juice should be the determining factor here. Ohm's law simply defines what "total" power was used, how that power was used should be what we are looking at. It's measuring that efficiency though that seems to be very subjective do to the testing process. The micro-coil seems to provide an even heat distribution over non-micro coils. I think the even heat provides a better means of producing equivalent temperature vapor off the entire coil, unlike hotspots burning and cooler spots not doing as much. The consistent temperature of the coil provides a better vape and does so more efficiently IMHO.

Well said! I think you are on to something here....

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[malkuth]

I know that this has been mentioned before, but what is being evaluated is the efficiency of converting the juice to vapor. This conversion is also governed by the "laws of science". The amount of vapor is directly related as to how much of the liquid has been converted to gas. What causes this conversion (in today's equipment) is heat. So, the best way to determine vapor production is to measure the heat of the coil that is used. Today I attempted to test (using an inexpensive Cen-Tech Infrared Thermometer) to measure the heat of the coil. Sadly to say, my well seasoned muscles would not allow me to hold the button on the REO and the button on the thermometer and remain focused on the coil. I am thinking that might be a project for you younger people out there. That would remove the subjectivity of the testing of the vapor out of the picture. Then the only decision for the vapee is to determine the heat necessary to produce the proper vapor that they prefer. (And the liquid absorption capabilities of their wicking medium.) It would be nice to know that a 1.5 ohm coil will produce a heat of xxx degrees while a 0.5 ohm coil will produce a heat of yyy.

 

[new kid]

As I think more on this (yea, sick I know) all of the factors going into the production of the vapor could be measured. However, the end result is still based on personal feelings and taste.

What I am suggesting is that ohm's law, JDS, coil temp, liquid properties, etc. are a means to achieve a subjective "great vape". Trying to imply that any one or set of them makes (or breaks) a great vape is not a viable conclusion.

 

[hubseven]

For me it's taste, vapor and warmth. With diying and rba's you can fine tune your vape exactly to your liking. Good Luck