I bought a kayfun lite and I keep hearing that kayfuns are built for flavor. What makes it so special what makes it give a better flavor than say my protank. I dont have it yet but I am curious. Also hows the vapor production?
what makes a kayfun so great
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For a while the standard in rebuildables was the genesis type rba which is a topcoil using vertical steelmesh wick; big problem having to deal with your coil shorting out on steel mesh.
The kayfun style is a bottom coil system with the coil at the bottom and you screw on the tank; and the coil deck is designed for rebuilding as opposed to a protank where you have a replaceable head .
You can easily use cotton on the bottom coil tanks.
Genesis style: top coil
Kayfun type: bottom coil
fogger, russian, and others.
The kayfun style is a bottom coil system with the coil at the bottom and you screw on the tank; and the coil deck is designed for rebuilding as opposed to a protank where you have a replaceable head .
You can easily use cotton on the bottom coil tanks.
Genesis style: top coil
Kayfun type: bottom coil
fogger, russian, and others.
What makes the kayfun so great is you don't have to deal with the steel mesh, so it's easier to set it up and get busy vaping;
You don't need to use the mesh because it's a bottom coil;
As for flavor, you're not going to get the metalic or rust flavor that comes from mesh.
As for choice of wick, you can just use cotton; you could use silica wick if you want, and you could even use mesh if you really want; choice of wick makes a big difference in flavor.
Well second best to a semi automatic bottom feeding rda like a reo
The Kayfun also has a unique design which provides for pressure build up inside the unit as well as an internal "chimney" through which the vapor travels upward toward the tip. I'm certain that these design elements create a type of optimal condition allowing for the flavor to be so pronounced. Why it works I have no idea, but clearly it took a novel approach to airflow and required sophisticated engineering and technical knowledge to create.
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Because of the use of vacuum to seal its eliquid, a properly built Kayfun will never leak. None of the other RBA's can claim that if placed down at certain angles.
My 2 cents.......
It is a improvement on a well proven design. Which is PT tank design. If you look around there are about 900 different tanks that uses PT's coils and tank design. KF and it's cousins are bigger with better decks to build coils on but retains the same delivery system and coil placement.
If you rebuild your own coils on PT2's and KF's, the vapor and taste are very close.
Add AFT to your PT and you are nearly at KF levels.
If they can make KF's decks just a little lower allowing for shorter coil chamber, making the KF smaller and some what lighter, it would be ideal!
Given if they can come up with better filling option instead of screw on the bottom (SIC).
As far as I'm concerned, Top coil designs have ran its course. I know there are a couple that are pretty good but lots of users are still having problems with burning and dry hits. I'm happy never ever have to use top coil design.
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It is a improvement on a well proven design. Which is PT tank design. If you look around there are about 900 different tanks that uses PT's coils and tank design. KF and it's cousins are bigger with better decks to build coils on but retains the same delivery system and coil placement.
If you rebuild your own coils on PT2's and KF's, the vapor and taste are very close.
Add AFT to your PT and you are nearly at KF levels.
If they can make KF's decks just a little lower allowing for shorter coil chamber, making the KF smaller and some what lighter, it would be ideal!
Given if they can come up with better filling option instead of screw on the bottom (SIC).
As far as I'm concerned, Top coil designs have ran its course. I know there are a couple that are pretty good but lots of users are still having problems with burning and dry hits. I'm happy never ever have to use top coil design.
Cheers
Not so much because its a bottom coil, the Protank is a bottom coil too, but as Unclo mentioned, the engineering behind the design is much more refined. Do keep in mind the performance is fully dependent on your build though, but assuming you rebuild a protank in the best possible way, and likewise with a Kayfun style RTA, the difference in vape quality will be very easy to tell apart.
Op,
You will be very happy with your $130.00 KFL+, Great devices from SM.
Following the advances of the GG line, SM tweaked the design and arrived at the KF.
V=10, F=10, TH=35 ( need to drop nic level)
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1. It's design allows for sufficient wicking to properly feed most any coil arrangement or configuration, even sub ohm. ProTanks cannot.
2. The build deck is large and open enough to mount almost any coil, even dual coils.
3. The air flow is from under the coil, and the coil can be positioned at any height above it to alter vapor production, flavor and throat hit.
4. The configuration of the vapor chamber and chimney allows for maximum vapor production and concentration.
5. Unlike a ProTank, you can do builds without having to use a pair of 5X magnification reader glasses!
This is not to say a properly built and wicked ProTank is not good; the are, and I still use mine. But as I buy more Kayfuns, the PT's are being PIF'ed.
2. The build deck is large and open enough to mount almost any coil, even dual coils.
3. The air flow is from under the coil, and the coil can be positioned at any height above it to alter vapor production, flavor and throat hit.
4. The configuration of the vapor chamber and chimney allows for maximum vapor production and concentration.
5. Unlike a ProTank, you can do builds without having to use a pair of 5X magnification reader glasses!
This is not to say a properly built and wicked ProTank is not good; the are, and I still use mine. But as I buy more Kayfuns, the PT's are being PIF'ed.
I understand taste is always subjective, but for myself, no matter how well a Protank is re-coiled and wicked, I never found it to be close to the flavor the Kayfun puts out. I have to dilute my juices by about 15% with pure VG to reduce the flavor intensity as well as the TH and nic, about 25% when running an RDA.
For rebuilt Evods/Protanks, I found the flavor was already muted to where I wouldn't perceive the flavor as too strong as well as the TH and nic effect.
I own 2 SM KFL+ and multiple other atomizer devices; PT (1 ~ Aero), Aspire's, Carto-Tanks, etc.
My opinion of the KF vs the other styles is simply, once you have a proper build, every hit is the same, from flavor to TH to vapor production. I find it difficult to make a statement like that about any other atomizer. Vapor production and flavor will depend on the coil build and wicking material (I'm loving cotton at the moment).
As stated by a few other people, no leaks - I really cannot say that about any other device.
I wanted my vaping to be as simple as smoking was - light it up and go (minus the 4k added chemicals). The Kayfun gives me that experience - push a button and vape. YMMV
Luxor Vapors sells the HCigar version of the 3.1 Kayfun for about 40ish$
the build quality of the HCigar is top notch...
Im quite happy with mine.
the build quality of the HCigar is top notch...
Im quite happy with mine.
Some people don't like clones. I don't mind them but some only want the real deal. If I had a little bit more disposable income, I'd be the same way.
Are you serious? Jeez. Maybe if u don't use the thing for 2 months at a time. Good stainless steel mesh will not rust or taste metallic. You need to properly oxidize the mesh before using it.
Take a look at silica wicks and see what you are vaping into your throat and lungs. Not too pretty.
While setting up a SS mesh wick can be tricky, one does get better at it. A properly oxidized and coiled SS wick should have no taste at all. If you are getting a metallic taste or rust flavor you are doing something dreadfully wrong.
For me, the biggest drawback to a Genesis tank is that they must be kept upright so they won't leak all over the place. A Genny gives a damn fine vape, just not really pocket friendly.
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