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what nictone level do i choose? (my attempted help for n00b and vet alike)

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WolfeReign

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This is something i want to add in attempts to try and help new people to the community. If this is a copy of a older post either withing a few days stretching backwards to the opening of this forum then i apologize. The little light bulb went off above my head right now, and i wanted to share what i figured out.

Bear in mind that if my calculations are incorrect and you want to go through them, then by all means feel free to correct my work, or if you wish to add to this forum with information then again please feel free.

~this post is in honor of Steljan, she may not know me but she was chased off by trying to help people, and i wanted to show some appreciation to the help she offered through her you tube video's and how it helped me along with my wife (vape bunny) and the vaping community (those on and not on the ECF forum)~

Let us begin

There seems to be a lot of myth and speculation of what mil of nic is in a bottle, and person "a" can be using 10ml of nicotine per bottle,, while person "b" is using 32ml or 40ml of nicotine.

In a sense the numbers LOOK rather large, but we are going to break this down so you can see what is really happening here. but first, coming from the stix (D2-pad's, analogues, cigarettes, whatever you prefer to call them) you will notice that nicotine in there is listed at what?....mg (milligrams). Now why is that seeing as in the community we say ml (milliliter)? that is correct. ml is reserved for liquid, and it would not do any smoker any good to try and smoke a wet cigarette (and we have all tried at some point in the game....be honest with yourself now).

How do we eliminate the mg for a cigarette with tobacco we can touch and hold to ml of juice (also known as e-juice, software etc)? Well Wiki for e-cigarettes has it listed it as: milligrams of nicotine per milliliter of liquid. Ok so this sounds cool but what does it mean in every day terms? well before we begin and makes your head swim with numbers in the deep end of the pool, lets causally wade in the water with a warm up. The terms of extra light, light, strong etc from the tobacco word take on a new meaning here which is:

"low" 6 - 9 mg
"Midrange" or "medium" 10–17 mg
"High" 18–22 mg
"Extra-high" 24–36 mg
I know i said we are going to step away from mg, but it is used here as purely a psychological reason. When you, someone else, or myself say "nicotine" we think of a stix, which you can physically hold, roll around in your hand, carry in your pocket etc.

~we now pause for life style breaks, and the ability to finish rubbing your head and saying "huh"~


~We're back and now continue with your regularly scheduled confusion~

Seeing as i do not have anyone around here i can pick on......i mean use as a example i will use myself in this thread. I like using 18mg, and usually get 10ml bottles. The juice's name is Moose Juice (love that stuff) With me so far? good! now for the sake of not wanting to start a whole battle of which is better, or comments of "you should get" i am dropping and not going near the whole what battery type and style to use. More so and for the shake of being able to use something for the calculations i like using my stardust's meaning i can fill them to 1.6ml of any given juice. I also like the vision grande which holds 6ml of juice total.

Your still hear and your eyes are not crossed? awesome!

Did you know that when i use the moose juice with a stardust i am only getting 1.12mg of nicotine per full stardust. how?
Well you will recall that i said the nicotine is parts per million. (here we go into the deep math)

There is 18mg of nicotine in a 10ml bottle so: 18 dived by 10 = 1.8mg of nicotine for every 1ml of juice. seeing as i pouring that into a stardust then 1.6ml (size of stardust) divided by 1.8mg nicotine comes to 1.12mg of nicotine that i am taking in from filling to empty of the stardust.

Now what is the magic of nicotine of a cigarette? correct! 1.10 to 2.0mg of nicotine. did you know that of you remove the tobacco of a cigarette and the paper wrapping it works out to the same amount a start dust holds? just some odd FYI here.

If i was to use my plastic tank, then i am taking in 0.3mg of nicotine total from the time the tank is full, until it is utterly empty. Again the math is 18mg of nicotine divided by 10ml (the size of the bottle) = 1.8mg for every ml (or drop) of liquid. 1.8mg divided by 6ml (size of the tank) = 0.30mg of nicotine

But what if you use a large bottle? Well it just so happens i have a 30ml (1 once) bottle of watermelon that is 18mg of nicotine. here we go again because 30ml divided by 18 equals 1.66mg of nicotine for every 1ml of liquid. my grand (plastic tank) holds 6ml of liquid when filled.

6ml of tank divided by 1.66mg of nicotine equals 3.61mg of nicotine.

Which is over and above the amount of what i am normally used to if i was to use it all at once -- it would be about the equivalent of smoking 5 cigarettes all at once.

Now there is also other things that come into play right here which is: what ingredients where used to make the flavor of your juice? what device are you using to get the vapor into your lungs?

Please people, either starting or seasoned veteran; pay attention to your body when you vape. Just because you are not allergic to garlic bread when you eat it, does not mean you will be not allergic to it when you use it as part of the help to get you off the stix. Or that using it on a dual carto tank means you are fine with it on a stardust. Itching, sudden light headiness, inability to sleep, inability to feel hungry, sore/stiffness in the left or right side of the back means you have a slight "allergy". This is in quotes as it is not really a serious thing, unless it worsens over the span of a few hours and you are not vaping.....in that case please go to the hospital.....we kinda of like seeing everyone around here to chat....we may not always get along, but we like having you here with us
 

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Squish is correct :)

The nic is concentration, mg/ml. 18mg eliquid is actually 18 mg per ml, sometimes also called 1.8%.

Comparisons with cigarettes also don't work so well, at least not directly equating cig mg to eliquid mg/ml. The cig number is nominal nicotine absorbed per cigarette (based on using automatic smoker machines, plus nicotine serum measurements). The eliquid number is base nicotine in the eliquid.

Etter did a small study last year, letter published late in the year. Experienced vapers, using an average of 5 "refills" per day (his term), and 18 mg/ml eliquid on average, had cotinine levels (what nic turns to in the body) about the same as smokers. That means a person who is likely vaping around 5 ml of 18 mg/ml per day is absorbing about the same as a person smoking a pack. That is consistent with other info I had heard, that people absorb order of magnitude 1/5 - 1/6 of the nicotine in eliquid. (The study had experienced vapers, using their own equipment, likely better vaping style than a new person.)

Filling a carto with 1.6 ml of 18 mg/ml eliquid means you are putting a total of 1.6x18 = 28.8 mg of nicotine in, though probably only absorbing/metabolizing about 28.8 x 1/6 = 4.8 mg of it.

(This stuff takes time to pick up :) )
 
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A great write up on nicotine strength, but as the others have said unfortunately it's incorrect. If what you say was true and a full stardust tank contains roughly the same amount of nicotine as a full cigarette, it would take you about an hour of solid vaping to get the same amount of nicotine as a 5 minute smoke. None of us would be into vaping if that was the case.

I do applaud you on your taking the time to make things easy and understandable, i just wish you had made it easy on yourself and done a little more research first :p
 

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Sorry, Constantine, you got thinking too much and made it a bit more complicated than it really is ;) The measurement is mg/ml, so in 18mg juice, there is 18mg of nicotine for every 1ml of juice. Once you have vaped 1ml of juice, you have consumed 18mg of nicotine.

this is why i should not be allowed on the board at 4:30am :facepalm: sorry y'all, kinda forgot (or was it the other personality that put it here) all about it.......

Ignore this thread then :D
 

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Actually thank you for posting what you did Constantine! Otherwise the rest of the thread and information would not have happened.

I had no idea what or how it broke down exactly, I went by the methodology of..

What can I vape like a mad man and not get over nic'd and have to stop :D

Now it makes sense why I ended up on the amount of nic I use :)
 

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Lol umm Shades? trust me....i have things i never posted that are just wild.......here is one 4:30am gem that should have never seen the light of day (you been warned)

So SR on higher voltages means for a more mild or "smoother" taste on higher voltages? My wolf and dragon totems have never heard of that before! Even Vlad would have to tell you that it comes down to if you find the leather of a dragon wing dipped in brandy or not really...
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Like i said, so not allowed anymore.....think i will created a timed lock out/ lock down in the computer. As for the above? Yeah don't ask me, i was typing and had a interesting science thought in mind LOL
 
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