What the heck does 450* feel like?

[RCP1991]

I'm just trying to get a gauge as my devices do not seem to be giving me any consistency. I realize feel is subjective but is 450* considered a low temperature, moderate temperature, or high temperature? Is it similar to taking a specific wattage vape -- for instance I notice 20 watts is rather cool and 100 watts is very warm -- this is, of course, coil specific.

I ask because 1/3 of the time I try to temp control SS Innokin I Sub coils in TC mode at 450*, I get this wispy weak vape that reminds me of a cigalike. Then, the other 1/3 of the time, I get a vape that feels pretty typical of a 50 or 60 watt vape. And then, the other 1/3 of the time I get something pretty damn hot. I recently bought a Hohm Slice and am hoping to run Kanthal temp control but I need to get an idea of what a 450* vape feels like and the Innokin coils are complete .... on the Hohm Slice (that wispy vape that never jumps above 30 watts).

 

[madstabber]

450 is kinda low, I don't know a watt equivalent. I vape at 480 and can take as long of a pull as I want without it getting too hot. 480 is perfect for me and how I like it. It's warm but not hot. If I just take short pulls I can easily go over 500, but that's where things get hotter but not burn your lip hot. I'd say 520-530 is where things get burn your lip hot after a few seconds. Hard question to answer but I hope this helped.

 

[EIHYPI]

I'm just trying to get a gauge as my devices do not seem to be giving me any consistency. I realize feel is subjective but is 450* considered a low temperature, moderate temperature, or high temperature? Is it similar to taking a specific wattage vape -- for instance I notice 20 watts is rather cool and 100 watts is very warm -- this is, of course, coil specific.

I ask because 1/3 of the time I try to temp control SS Innokin I Sub coils in TC mode at 450*, I get this wispy weak vape that reminds me of a cigalike. Then, the other 1/3 of the time, I get a vape that feels pretty typical of a 50 or 60 watt vape. And then, the other 1/3 of the time I get something pretty damn hot. I recently bought a Hohm Slice and am hoping to run Kanthal temp control but I need to get an idea of what a 450* vape feels like and the Innokin coils are complete .... on the Hohm Slice (that wispy vape that never jumps above 30 watts).

This video helped me understand the ins and outs of temperature control so I would suggest you look at it. He explains almost all aspects of what you may be looking for.

 

[VHRB2014]

Moderately warm, not too hot. Your experience may vary. :?)

(For what it`s worth, its what I run a Tornado RTA at when on a Praxis Banshee @ .23 ohm.

 

[Verb]

It totally depends on your draw. You can make a higher TC coil temperature, feel cooler if you draw harder and vice-versa.

 

[Eskie]

What mod are you using it on that's giving you such varying experience at the same temp on the same coil? Not all devices are good at TC, and having 1/3 OK, 1/3, too hot, and 1/3 too weak is too much of a Goldilocks story to base any opinion on the tank and coil's ability to work in TC.

And 450F is around my typical use which I would describe as a warm not hot vape.

 

[NU_FTW]

400F offers me a quality WARM vape depends how dialed in your device is for its particular resistance airflow size of coil and wicking on how it will feel going into your mouth though.

 

[daviedog]

I'm just trying to get a gauge as my devices do not seem to be giving me any consistency. I realize feel is subjective but is 450* considered a low temperature, moderate temperature, or high temperature? Is it similar to taking a specific wattage vape -- for instance I notice 20 watts is rather cool and 100 watts is very warm -- this is, of course, coil specific.

I ask because 1/3 of the time I try to temp control SS Innokin I Sub coils in TC mode at 450*, I get this wispy weak vape that reminds me of a cigalike. Then, the other 1/3 of the time, I get a vape that feels pretty typical of a 50 or 60 watt vape. And then, the other 1/3 of the time I get something pretty damn hot. I recently bought a Hohm Slice and am hoping to run Kanthal temp control but I need to get an idea of what a 450* vape feels like and the Innokin coils are complete .... on the Hohm Slice (that wispy vape that never jumps above 30 watts).

Don't loose your instruction manual for the HohmSlice.
Not the most intuitive Mod out there..

 

[Doctorvapes]

450 feels moderately warm to me, kinda like what everyone else is saying

 

[sofarsogood]

I'm just trying to get a gauge as my devices do not seem to be giving me any consistency. I realize feel is subjective but is 450* considered a low temperature, moderate temperature, or high temperature? Is it similar to taking a specific wattage vape -- for instance I notice 20 watts is rather cool and 100 watts is very warm -- this is, of course, coil specific.

I ask because 1/3 of the time I try to temp control SS Innokin I Sub coils in TC mode at 450*, I get this wispy weak vape that reminds me of a cigalike. Then, the other 1/3 of the time, I get a vape that feels pretty typical of a 50 or 60 watt vape. And then, the other 1/3 of the time I get something pretty damn hot. I recently bought a Hohm Slice and am hoping to run Kanthal temp control but I need to get an idea of what a 450* vape feels like and the Innokin coils are complete .... on the Hohm Slice (that wispy vape that never jumps above 30 watts).

A few weeks ago I got Arctic Fox firmware on my Pico and vtc mini which lets me see max watts and max temp for each puff. I use an RDA so the coil may be super saturated or reletively dry. The density of vapor has as much to do with our sensation of temperature as the temperature of the coil. When my coil is super saturated the watts max out but the temp stays low (320 F). As the coil gets less saturated the coil hits the protection limit on a few watts. The dense vapor at a reletively low temp can feel warmer than thin vaper at a much higher temp because there is more vapor transfering heat to the inside of your mouth.

Lately whenever I rewick i do a dry cotton test to see what temp singhes the cotton. That's a check on consistancy. You don't have to install the cotton to do this test, just lay some cotton against the coil and monitor the result.

I'm actively trying to lower the amount of power needed to get a quality vape. I switched from 28 guage stainless to 30 guage because fewer watts are needed for the same heat flux. I'm currently workig with 12 wattts but power that low may take some time to heat up the coil so I add 150% preheat for .3 seconds. I'm a low watts vaper content with moderate or minimal amounts of vaper. Others may want something different. Being able to see max watts and max temp after each puff makes tinkering a LOT easier.

 

[mcclintock]

You could be getting bad connection -- I have to take my atty off and wipe contacts sometimes. The number reading isn't very accurate either, esp. with stainless.

On my Pico I'm finding setting the watts still very important, just set a bit higher than normal, seems I can set the temp lower this way (400-410 right now). When it actually says protect, it overdoes it.

 

[RCP1991]

What mod are you using it on that's giving you such varying experience at the same temp on the same coil? Not all devices are good at TC, and having 1/3 OK, 1/3, too hot, and 1/3 too weak is too much of a Goldilocks story to base any opinion on the tank and coil's ability to work in TC.

And 450F is around my typical use which I would describe as a warm not hot vape.

Maybe you can help me. I have a Hohm Slice and I am using a Big Baby Beast Tank on it running in the Kanthal temp control. I've tried both the 0.15 and the 0.6 coils and neither have worked well, I was hoping the 0.6 coil might be better since the company suggests a 0.5 coil. Here's what happens: if I set the thing in Kanthal TC mode to 450* with a 50 watt ramp up time and leave the curve at 50%, the mod will initially hit around 15-20 watts and then taper down to nothing. This leaves me with basically no vapor production at all -- like less than a cigalike -- and the vape is so cool I feel like I'm sucking air. If I push the curve up to 70% and leave it at the same settings I will get a slightly better vape but the mod will still initially only hit around 30 watts and then taper off very quickly. I get some vapor production but it is weak compared to simply vaping the coil at 30 or 40 watts.

I tried contacting Hohmtech and was basically told that the device is different and I would get used to it, and that I could turn the temperature up. The problem is the whole reason I bought the damn device was not to turn the temperature up after reading vaping above around 450* can release more toxins than a regular cigarette. Now I understand taste for temperature is subjective, but I have a hard time believing 450* is really going to be that much cooler than a 30 or 40 watt vape. That said, I'm very frustrated as the only way to get the thing to work is to turn up the curve and I fear that is simply turning up the temperature -- and it's kind of ridiculous to be at 70% on the curve and still have the thing only hitting at a max of 30 watts for less than a second. For the record, the leads have been cleaned and so I know that is not the issue.

 

[Eskie]

Maybe you can help me. I have a Hohm Slice and I am using a Big Baby Beast Tank on it running in the Kanthal temp control. I've tried both the 0.15 and the 0.6 coils and neither have worked well, I was hoping the 0.6 coil might be better since the company suggests a 0.5 coil. Here's what happens: if I set the thing in Kanthal TC mode to 450* with a 50 watt ramp up time and leave the curve at 50%, the mod will initially hit around 15-20 watts and then taper down to nothing. This leaves me with basically no vapor production at all -- like less than a cigalike -- and the vape is so cool I feel like I'm sucking air. If I push the curve up to 70% and leave it at the same settings I will get a slightly better vape but the mod will still initially only hit around 30 watts and then taper off very quickly. I get some vapor production but it is weak compared to simply vaping the coil at 30 or 40 watts.

I tried contacting Hohmtech and was basically told that the device is different and I would get used to it, and that I could turn the temperature up. The problem is the whole reason I bought the damn device was not to turn the temperature up after reading vaping above around 450* can release more toxins than a regular cigarette. Now I understand taste for temperature is subjective, but I have a hard time believing 450* is really going to be that much cooler than a 30 or 40 watt vape. That said, I'm very frustrated as the only way to get the thing to work is to turn up the curve and I fear that is simply turning up the temperature -- and it's kind of ridiculous to be at 70% on the curve and still have the thing only hitting at a max of 30 watts for less than a second. For the record, the leads have been cleaned and so I know that is not the issue.

I don't have a Slice. I know Hohm presents itself as doing TC on Kanthal, but never really explains just how they can do that with a wire with essentially no resistance change with heating. I'm sure it's possible to do the whole FSK curve thing to get some changes in your vape, and even set it up to drop the current over time as essentially happens with regular TC. But I would in no way take any "temperature" reports off that board on Kanthal and expect it to represent the "true" temp of the coil.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Forget everything said for a moment.

The way TC works is from the changes in resistance in the wire/coil.

So depending on the mod and it's settings, the tank/coil used, you could have one setup at 360F that's perfect, and another that you'll be at 450F for the exact same warmth.

This depends on a lot of factors, but do not stick with 450F MEANS 450F... it is just a setting that attempts to normalize the vaping, and mostly control how the experience is, and prevent dry hits.

What you really are doing is setting is a TCR limit value that you want your mod to stop and start pulsing to balance it to stay at that level that you've set.

If the mod's TCR values (curve) for a metal is set differently on one mod to the other, a temp. set would have a completely different experience.

And note... Khantal does not do TC.. unless someone pulled out some sort of magical or very different approach (as a build-in sensor in a tank), the metal simply doesn't have a TRC that makes it possible to do it.

 

[SteveS45]

Depending on the MOD using TC is dependent on the wattage it is set for. I have MODs that fire at a set wattage in TC and others that require the user to set the wattage which is dependent on what coils you are using. Try vaping with a Disguiser at 600°F without setting the wattage and you will not even get a vapor.

 

[DaveP]

My Pico is set for 400F just to keep me in a safe range. With wattage set at 10W I rarely get over 300F when I vape. It's a cigarette like vape with low end warmth that suits me just fine.

 

[Carl2]

I generally vape at 350 F, I've done the singe the cotton test and in most cases I'm very close. I've also checked the vaporize PG and VG and found it to be 325 to 352 for both. Since I make my own coils I believe the coils resistance at room temp also affects the accuracy of the selected read temp to actual temp, if using atomizers that statement can be disregarded.
I've only used temp with nickel and Stainless, for me 450 F is pretty hot but the question is difficult to answer,