What's the max you would pay for taxes? Assuming the current rate of cigarette taxes, which ends up about $2 a day, would you be willing to pay a tax of $0.5/ml, assuming it would go towards funding research about the health effects of e-cigs?
What would you do if e-cigs became legal, but went under a tax regime?
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Hmm, $.4/ML is pretty cheap!! That's only 40 cents per Megaliter!! I wouldn't mind paying that. That's like $1.60 per million gallons. How would they collect? I don't think I use that much.
God, I love the metric system!
God, I love the metric system!
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Granted, my mistake. Heh. I'm usually only careful about the small m when I use mAH.
Heh, it's funny how half of them are in ml and have of them are in ML though.
Heh, it's funny how half of them are in ml and have of them are in ML though.
I dont' think such high taxes could be justified.
Currently cigarette taxes are justified as an expense to the public health care system. If indeed e-cigarettes are found to be significantly less damaging to health, and smokers collect on less government money, they wouldn't need to keep the taxes so high to make as much as they do now. $0.5ml would probably give them the equivalent of a buck a pack, close to the $1.4 the government collects at the moment. State taxes might add to that, bringing it up to $1/ml, but it would be bad press.
At the moment though, we're assuming that this money is used strictly for research. At $0.5/ml, even if there are only 10,000 vapers and each vaper vapes through roughly 2ML/day, that's about $10,000 a day. in one year, we could get the necessary funds to put through a decent FDA study.
Currently cigarette taxes are justified as an expense to the public health care system. If indeed e-cigarettes are found to be significantly less damaging to health, and smokers collect on less government money, they wouldn't need to keep the taxes so high to make as much as they do now. $0.5ml would probably give them the equivalent of a buck a pack, close to the $1.4 the government collects at the moment. State taxes might add to that, bringing it up to $1/ml, but it would be bad press.
At the moment though, we're assuming that this money is used strictly for research. At $0.5/ml, even if there are only 10,000 vapers and each vaper vapes through roughly 2ML/day, that's about $10,000 a day. in one year, we could get the necessary funds to put through a decent FDA study.
I don't go out of my way to pay more taxes, but I don't whine about paying them.
If taxing e-cigs (or e-liquid) gives the feds an incentive to promote it instead of trying to shut it down, I don't mind ponying up.
Of course, just in case they get obnoxious about it, I'll keep my eyes and ears open for alternative sources for nicotine to mix with PG and flavorings.
If taxing e-cigs (or e-liquid) gives the feds an incentive to promote it instead of trying to shut it down, I don't mind ponying up.
Of course, just in case they get obnoxious about it, I'll keep my eyes and ears open for alternative sources for nicotine to mix with PG and flavorings.
The max I would pay for taxes is very fluid. If I HAD to pay high taxes on e-cigs, I suppose I would, just to continue something I enjoy... but on that same token, I don't agree with the taxes we already pay as 'smokers'. It's been shown that, sadly, smokers and the obese actually cost the system less (Obese people, smokers cost the health system less than healthy do, study finds | StarTribune.com), but as 'smokers' we're forced to pay more. I would end up paying the taxes because I enjoy vaping, and I am not ready to give my habit up just because the government says I should. As a 'gun enthusiast', I've already had to deal with the ups and downs of taxes, regulations, and bans, and neither my e-cigs nor my guns will suffer if I have to pay a bit more to do what I like... even if our founding fathers are rolling over again and again in their graves.
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Oh, I have no doubt that if the tobacco lobby doesn't pay to kill these pv's from cutting into thier profits, then we will be paying thru the nose just like we did when we smoked. This may be the time we remember as the good ol days.
Call me cynical, but if pv's are the future, and I hope they are, then the gov't will have a hand in it to screw us with taxes and fees, all to 'protect the children' as an excuse.
I hope I'm wrong but I can't see how we will not pay the price.
I think we( vapers or smokers) may always be the ones to pay the price for our lifestyle. - end of rant 8-o
here is the simple truth. the goverment need money to operate taxes are the means for the goverment to rase money
smoking/vaping is a vice, something that is not need to live or live happily in the eye of non smokers/vapers
law makers keep there job based on popular opinion and no one likes new or rasing taxes
vaper are a minority with a vice the majority will not make a fuss about a new tax that dose not affect them. with a govement hurting for money we will be taxed heavily because the majority will not fuss about it and the law makers will keep there jobs
smoking/vaping is a vice, something that is not need to live or live happily in the eye of non smokers/vapers
law makers keep there job based on popular opinion and no one likes new or rasing taxes
vaper are a minority with a vice the majority will not make a fuss about a new tax that dose not affect them. with a govement hurting for money we will be taxed heavily because the majority will not fuss about it and the law makers will keep there jobs
I think we all know a tax is coming, just not when or for what reason. Some product and juice quality oversight might be nice, but our government doesn't know where to draw a line. Even if they did they'd always be tripping over it. Given their track record I'd rather be left alone. Right now I can choose my suppliers and judge for myself, including quality, reliability. With arenas like this forum information about who's got what, what it's like or if anyone's getting sick will travel pretty fast and keep up a more self-policing stance. My thoughts.
The poll is based on per ml, so guess we could handle that.....just don't give them any ideas, ok??
Sorry no and not just no but a HELL NO!
I need my pv thank you very much, it keeps me from culling the stupid.
It is more taxation without representation. Frankly I am sick and fricking tired paying more taxes while every shiftless worthless sack of crap can collect welfare and food stamps off my dime when they themselves have never paid cent one into the system. Sure tax us some more and give it to those who are to lazy and worthless to contribute ANYTHING to the world.
When the ones who need help get turned away. Sure that settles really well with me. NOT!
I can see them leveling that tax for "research" and use it to fund the busted system like they did with the tabacco settlement money.
I found something the goverment has no clue about, and it scares them. It scares them that I enjoy it and have unplugged from the tax machine, the more I do it the better I feel.
I need my pv thank you very much, it keeps me from culling the stupid.
It is more taxation without representation. Frankly I am sick and fricking tired paying more taxes while every shiftless worthless sack of crap can collect welfare and food stamps off my dime when they themselves have never paid cent one into the system. Sure tax us some more and give it to those who are to lazy and worthless to contribute ANYTHING to the world.
When the ones who need help get turned away. Sure that settles really well with me. NOT!
I can see them leveling that tax for "research" and use it to fund the busted system like they did with the tabacco settlement money.
I found something the goverment has no clue about, and it scares them. It scares them that I enjoy it and have unplugged from the tax machine, the more I do it the better I feel.
that last line on the poll .. interesting .. what over 50% agree with that?
hells ya ... ~~~ only, i don't have a basement, i have a shelf.
but i would defend that with every breathe in my lung...
hells ya ... ~~~ only, i don't have a basement, i have a shelf.
but i would defend that with every breathe in my lung...
I think what everyone missed is, I said this was with the presumption that all taxes would go towards *FDA research* towards assessing the health effects of PVs on people, and whether or not it is safe.
Wouldn't you like to know, for sure, the effects PVs have on people beyond the immediate improvement in lung function? I know most people probably intake significantly higher amounts of nicotine than with cigarettes, so that would be worth investigating too.
Essentially, this would be a tax to forcefully collect the money that the companies refuse to pony up to put this through the FDA ringer proper, and get us some hard facts on PVs, maybe vindicating us once and for all.
Wouldn't you like to know, for sure, the effects PVs have on people beyond the immediate improvement in lung function? I know most people probably intake significantly higher amounts of nicotine than with cigarettes, so that would be worth investigating too.
Essentially, this would be a tax to forcefully collect the money that the companies refuse to pony up to put this through the FDA ringer proper, and get us some hard facts on PVs, maybe vindicating us once and for all.
If the tax was high, I would buy it from an overseas supplier just like I did tobacco cigs...
Spot on!
Ear-marking is only a trick to gain votes. Your sin taxes don't determine the budget for needy children or whatever the excuse is this time.
Does anyone pay their utility bill with only the money they earn on Wednesdays?
As posted by others public health concerns are a farce. I have my own insurance anyway. There are more effective, and honest, ways of lower these costs.
To answer the original question.. Yes I'd pay whatever the taxes are. As the taxes increase people will find ways around them. Black market cigarettes become more and more of a problem.
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If the tax money was collected to ensure Eliquid to be accurate and consistent, ok. Just don't let the FDA do the regulation on it cause they can't even test the Ecig right. I could see them calling for suppliers of liquids to have their own testing done though which will drive up the price of the juice.
I do not see our government settling on a mere pitence of a few cents an ounce. I'd wager more like 10 to 25 cents an ounce easy. That is of course if they don't consider it a tobacco product and want a dollar per bottle.
Just my two cents
I do not see our government settling on a mere pitence of a few cents an ounce. I'd wager more like 10 to 25 cents an ounce easy. That is of course if they don't consider it a tobacco product and want a dollar per bottle.
Just my two cents
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