What would you have done?

[Cullin Kin]

Heylo friends,

I know there are a lot of threads about silly experiences at B&M's, I would have created a new thread if this wasn't especially silly.

So, today I went to a new local B&M and had quite an experience. I was in there testing all their house juices because they're sold throughout the state of Colorado and are apparently pretty good. They were but I was appalled by what I saw going on behind the counter. First of all, there were three people who were working and two of their friends, and I overheard a comment, 'I've really been enjoying this 0.06Ω build man, thanks.' You can imagine I did a double take. One of the employees walked over and asked me if I needed help, I told him I was just browsing but asked him what his build registered at... 0.04Ω. It turns out that everyone there was below 0.07Ω. EVERYONE. No, I am not mistyping, below 0.07Ω.

There were five people pushing their batteries way beyond their capabilities. They were all using Gplatt, which I already hated, but now I hate it even more. One of the employees was literally using a towel to vape, just like on that De Jay video where he vents the battery at the end.

The worst part? My 0.24Ω kanthal build kicked their horrifying gplatt builds ..... in vapor production.

I became fearful for my life and began planning my escape (without having to buy anything) and in walks another customer. When they asked him how they could help him, he responded 'I'm looking to upgrade to a mech and rebuildable and was hoping you could show me how to do it.' Oh boy, here we go. I managed to fight off the urge to save my life for a little bit and dropped a few subtle comments to the soon-to-be mech vaper. Well I guess they weren't so subtle... Comments such as, 'I hope you have an ohm reader or multimeter' or 'The batteries you're going to buy have a 30A rating (they surprisingly had some VTC4's' and 'Please don't let them build for you, I would be happy to teach you.'

I tried to be as secretive as possible, but one of the employee's heard the comments and said let the man decide for himself. He went on to buy the mech and gplatt (the only wire they sold) in 22 gauge and thats when I left.

The thing is, I don't know if it was my place to tell him those things. If I see something thats not right and being passed on to someone new, I just have to say something.

What would you guys have done?

Thanks for reading and responding...

~ Cullin Kin

 

[philoshop]

With an attitude like that, people will get hurt. Bad for everyone. Dementia is not just for us older folks I guess.
Other than saying loudly and clearly, "That is unsafe.", and then explaining why, I'm not sure what I would do.

 

[edyle]

I'm reminded of those videos you see where young people light firecrackers in their pants and that sort of thing.

Well hey; call the name of the shop so we know to avoid the place.

 

[irwink]

Why worry about it? Let natural selection take its course.

 

[VA Vince]

What I do not understand in some of the B&M's, is why push your builds onto a new customer? These people shouldn't assume everyone knows battery safety and how to build. Whats funny is walking into a shop and just listening to the employees telling customers BS and I am just biting my tongue. Luckily I have not heard anything that was going to get someone new to vaping hurt. Thats when I would speak my mind...

 

[WeirdWillie]

Read my signature.
Never argue with idiots.
If they blow their faces or their fingers off, no loss to you are me right.
I know that sounds cold hearted but some people need to be hit in the head with a brick before they learn.

Like my dear old pops use to tell me, boy if you're going to be dumb, you'd better be tough.

 

[Cullin Kin]

With an attitude like that, people will get hurt. Bad for everyone. Dementia is not just for us older folks I guess.
Other than saying loudly and clearly, "That is unsafe.", and then explaining why, I'm not sure what I would do.

Ha ha dementia is an accurate description. I would have said more, I just didn't feel like getting in an argument and being largely over numbered. I know argument would have gone something like this: 'DO you see my better not exploding?'

I'm reminded of those videos you see where young people light firecrackers in their pants and that sort of thing.

Well hey; call the name of the shop so we know to avoid the place.

Yeah, very true. It was Vapergate.

Why worry about it? Let natural selection take its course.

I surely wasn't worried about the people behind the counter, just the newb to mechs and RDA's. What kills me is that these new vapers take what people behind the counter say as gospel and there is no way that another customer could be speaking truth.

 

[katwb]

I have to say .... I would call the owner of the shop and let them know what his/her employee's are doing - and hopefully they will stop this from happening.
I agree in speaking out .... you don't want to see the headlines of tomorrow's paper and then realize you should speak out - always warn/inform/teach the innocent and unknowing....then if they decide to not listen - you can sleep at night knowing you did what you could.

 

[Paradicio]

Makes me appreciate my local shop. One of the guys that works there is a college student majoring in engineering of some sort. What I do know is that he fully understands ohms law, watts voltage, amps, etc..... He'll build sub ohm builds but makes sure they are safe for the batteries/setup the customers have. I've seen them turn down business cause the customers request was unsafe. And with the full support of the owner. For every bad shop, I have to hope there are an equal (if not more) number of good ones.

 

[AzPlumber]

Shop owners take notice, it won't be long and you'll see insurance rates skyrocket for all vape shops.

 

[danca90]

Reported them for not checking id's.

 

[Steamix]

Why worry about it? Let natural selection take its course.

Am good with that.

But :

If any of these numbskulls happens to blow their face to pits, ANTZ and other interested parties are gonna milk for all the political hay they can make out of it.

Add an ambulance chaser with $$-signs in his eyes who is going to sue everyone within a mile of the incident and things are going to get rough.

Not just for the poor fool without a face, but also for the rest of the vaping community..

 

[JeremyR]

It's ridiculous... New vapors set up with super low ohm mechs.

60+ amps on a 30-35 amp battery. Wth.

I would have said that is not safe. I would have told the guy he was an idiot for setting people up with dangerous equipment. How would you like to be sued and prosecuted for causing bodily injury. I would have said out loud I will never visit this store again... Hope you enjoy your face and hand burns when those batteries vent out.

Yes please call the shop out multiple times, so if someone searches thier shop name in google - this thread will pop up.

 

[PapaSloth]

I think you have an absolute right and responsibility to point out the unsafe practices. People getting hurt because of unsafe vaping practices will attract exactly the kind of negative media attention that we don't need right now. There are issues here that are larger than just a few people in a vape store who don't know what they're doing. I think it's great if you can save a few fingers here and there, but if you can manage to prevent vaping getting banned outright, then that's a much more important win because you'll be saving the lives of everyone who switches to vaping and avoids a death from cigarette-related illnesses.

 

[Cullin Kin]

It's just crazy. I've been to 6 local B&M's out here and all but one has had some nightmare brewing. These idiots are going to ruin the best thing that has ever happened for smokers/tobacco users looking to quit.

It's ridiculous... New vapors set up with super low ohm mechs.


60 amps on a 30 amp battery. Wth.


I would have said that is not safe. I would have told the guy he was an idiot for setting people up with dangerous equipment. How would you like to be sued and prosecuted for causing bodily injury. I would have said out loud I will never visit this store again... Hope you enjoy your face and hand burns when those batteries vent out.


Yes please call the shop out multiple times, so if someone searches thier shop name in google - this thread will pop up.

One of them was at 105 Amps... I just don't even understand how some people can be so ridiculously thick-headed.

Thats a good idea. Vapergate.

 

[PapaSloth]

I just don't even understand how some people can be so ridiculously thick-headed.

I imagine the thought process goes something like, "it's just a battery. How dangerous can it be?" Or they don't even know that there's anything wrong with it at all because no one told them that batteries have limits. That, and all of their friends are doing it, and no one has been seriously injured yet, so they think the dangers have been exaggerated. Or, the danger just adds to the excitement, and they all feel like a bunch of rebels.

 

[MorpheusPA]

I think you did what you could and should be proud of that. What the shop is doing is downright dangerous.

I wouldn't dream of making a coil under 1.4 Ω because I know my limits. Others are more confident--but under 0.1 Ω is simply insane.

 

[readeuler]

It's just crazy. I've been to 6 local B&M's out here and all but one has had some nightmare brewing. These idiots are going to ruin the best thing that has ever happened for smokers/tobacco users looking to quit.



One of them was at 105 Amps... I just don't even understand how some people can be so ridiculously thick-headed.

Thats a good idea. Vapergate.

Vapergate? With a name like that, it's like they're trying to become some catastrophe the vaping community remembers as a black spot. Vapergate, sheesh...

 

[LMS62]

Why worry about it? Let natural selection take its course.

Unless of course someone who is standing nearby gets hurt as well. As far as "natural selection", I would be willing to bet you would feel differently if it was a family member or friend, regardless of what foolish activity they are doing.

 

[Rickajho]

Shop owners take notice, it won't be long and you'll see insurance rates skyrocket for all vape shops.

Unfortunately - what makes you think a place like this has insurance even? (That's actually quite scary to even think about, but most likely true.)