Whats best cheapest E-cig to ween you off to quit completely?

[John Phoenix]

On the bright side, those Tasty Vapor doublers are so cheap! 2oz (60ml) of 0mg juice for $10. Also excellent for cutting old higher-nic or over-flavored liquids.

I did enjoy the rest of your post but I have to ask.. who sells this product? That's twice as much for the price of any zero nicotine juice I have seen so far. Ya know I thought it was strange in the places I've looked that the zero nicotine juice was the same price as the the juice with nicotine in it.

If I cannot seem to quit with the oral fixation of smoking after I get off the nicotine, I may have to use such a product.

 

[Silversmyth]

TASTY VAPOR!!!! sells TASTY VAPORS doublers

 

[DC2]

It seems to me the FDA would not have such a problem with a ween down smoking cessation e-cig kit and require it to be sold as medicine because if they did they would have to acknowledge that The Nicotine Juice itself is in fact a drug that needs to be regulated - they will not get away with that because then you would have to regulate the nicotine in tobacco products and thus make all cigarettes a medicine subject to medical regulation. The tobacco companies simply won't let them do that.

You'd think so, using common sense, but unfortunately you would be wrong.
The FDA wants to declare electronic cigarettes to be nicotine replacement therapy products, but they can't.

If they could, we would all be seriously screwed.
Thankfully the courts are not letting them, and have ruled against them twice now.

We will have to wait and see if the FDA appeals these decisions to the Supreme Court.
The deadline for that, I believe, is April 25th.

I honestly think if the e-cig companies did try such a product it would work and not come under such medical fire as it isn't being done already for nicotine juice.

As I said, you'd think so, in a world where common sense was more important than money.
Unfortunately, money is what rules the day.

 

[Taniger1]

TASTY VAPOR!!!! sells TASTY VAPORS doublers

What's a doubler? :0)

I know newb here

 

[John Phoenix]

You'd think so, using common sense, but unfortunately you would be wrong.
The FDA wants to declare electronic cigarettes to be nicotine replacement therapy products, but they can't.

Nicotine replacement therapy??? What The... Er.. That's like saying;

Sure, we can sell you unregulated drugs such as H eroin and make a nice prophet off of it and get you addicted but if you wanna get off of it by using methadone, No.. you need a prescription!

That's CRAZY !!!!!! What on earth are they thinking? I know - another way to make Money!

If they could, we would all be seriously screwed.
Thankfully the courts are not letting them, and have ruled against them twice now.

We will have to wait and see if the FDA appeals these decisions to the Supreme Court.
The deadline for that, I believe, is April 25th.

As I said, you'd think so, in a world where common sense was more important than money.
Unfortunately, money is what rules the day.

Thanks for the info. I will have to look up these court cases. I am sure I will find the reading very interesting.

 

[John Phoenix]

What's a doubler? :0)

I know newb here

After looking at the website ( Thanks SilverSmyth) Tasty Vapor, It seems that all of the doublers are Zero Nicotine juices where as they also sell regular and flavored juice with nicotine (1 oz bottles)- however the doublers seem to have better prices I assume due to saving money on the nicotine since they are not adding that.

 

[haft2doit]

You can ween yourself down for sure. I started at 18mg/ml and now I'm down to 6mg/ml. This has taken 2 years. It would be a good Idea to spend $50 on an ego/riva. $30 would be bare minimum for anything so get something worth using. Any smaller and you would be using a device best suited for emergencies and light use. $50 is nothing compared to smoking. The juice and attys/cartos will run a more substantial investment over time. I spend around $30+/month on that stuff. Good luck.

 

[BestLion]

Get the Ego! The 510 is good, but you will eventual upgrade to the Ego..due to the battery life..but they both give the same vapor.. Ego cost me 32 USD free shipping from China, and they gave me 2- 1,100 mAH battiers in the starter kit. I also get 510 low resistant atomizers from this company for 3.10 each shipped free if orders over 40 USD!

 

[John Phoenix]

O.k. I think I will go with the Riva ( ugly one LOL) instead of the disposables - But.. on this page Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510 the special edition and the Lite (Riva 510 - Lite Bundle) have the same specs but the lite is cheaper - whats the difference then?

Oh.. er.. I'm not finding that 20% discount on the page - perhaps I'm not looking in the right spot.

BTW BestLion Love your avatar ( sorry I could not resist)<grin>

 

[Secti0n31]

The lite is basically "less pretty." The one that's $5 more expensive has chrome accents and comes with 2.0ohm attys instead of the 2.2ohm ones. All that means is that it's a little bit shinier, and the lower resistance burns hotter, giving you more vapor and throat hit. It's worth the $5 upgrade, but if you decide later on that you want Low Resistance attys, you can buy them separately, and for as low as $5-6 each at valuevapor.com.

The riva's a good choice and you'll be happy with it. Now comes the hard part and that's finding a flavor(s) that you like. 2.5 moths in and I'm still experimenting with juices.

 

[John Phoenix]

The lite is basically "less pretty." The one that's $5 more expensive has chrome accents and comes with 2.0ohm attys instead of the 2.2ohm ones. All that means is that it's a little bit shinier, and the lower resistance burns hotter, giving you more vapor and throat hit. It's worth the $5 upgrade, but if you decide later on that you want Low Resistance attys, you can buy them separately, and for as low as $5-6 each at valuevapor.com.

The riva's a good choice and you'll be happy with it. Now comes the hard part and that's finding a flavor(s) that you like. 2.5 moths in and I'm still experimenting with juices.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not worried about how shiny it is.. besides.. I know how to paint!

If I read correctly the vapor/throat hit can be adjusted anyway with your VG/PG mixture. Having to hit it a little harder or pre drawing before you get vapor don't bother me either - I have to do that anyway with roll your own or my pipe smoking.

Juices. Ya know.. I don't think that many smokers like flavored cigarettes. I have tried a few and wasn't impressed. It surprises me that there seems to be such a large market for non tobacco flavors - all the fruity sweet flavors. So whats the draw? If your the type that would not buy flavored cigs, why use flavored juice? Does it make that much of a difference while Vaping as opposed to smoking?

I'm just trying to understand the attraction.

 

[DC2]

Thanks for the info. I will have to look up these court cases. I am sure I will find the reading very interesting.

Here is a handy summary of where things stand and how they got there...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ut-why-do-we-need-watch-how-get-up-speed.html

 

[DC2]

The lite is basically "less pretty." The one that's $5 more expensive has chrome accents and comes with 2.0ohm attys instead of the 2.2ohm ones. All that means is that it's a little bit shinier, and the lower resistance burns hotter, giving you more vapor and throat hit.

I'm not sure that's all the difference there is...

The Riva SE (Special Edition) is a different battery that runs at true 3.7 volts.
The regular Riva battery is a 3.7 volt battery but it runs at 3.2 volts under load like the eGo/Tornado/Inferno/standard 510 batteries.

I could be wrong in that perhaps the Riva Lite bundle actually is an SE battery too, but I sort of doubt it.

 

[Secti0n31]

that's possible but I was under the impression that all Rivas were true 3.7v. Dunno. I use an eGo

 

[DC2]

that's possible but I was under the impression that all Rivas were true 3.7v.

No, just the Special Editions (SE) are.

 

[Secti0n31]

Cool, that's actually good to know. Learn somethin every day. So for the OP that means that the difference is about .5v sustained output under load.

 

[John Phoenix]

Am I following you right - the more expensive model the SE will have a larger battery and thus more sustained output under load - meaning it will last a little longer between charges than the Lite? Is that it?

 

[mohawkx]

Am I following you right - the more expensive model the SE will have a larger battery and thus more sustained output under load - meaning it will last a little longer between charges than the Lite? Is that it?

No, not really. what it means is you will get a warmer vape with more flavor and TH verses the riva-lite bundle. It's worth the 5 bucks to get the se mod. Your cartos and attys will work better over the full range of the battery charge. Now that you've decided on the riva, after all, I suggest you drop the other shoe and purchase some boge 510lr cartomisers from Madvapes. They will provide you with a very good hit that maximizes the capabilities of the riva 510. Good luck in your quest. It looks like you've got it figured out pretty good.

 

[John Phoenix]

Here is a handy summary of where things stand and how they got there...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ut-why-do-we-need-watch-how-get-up-speed.html

Thanks. I read it and found it very interesting. It surprised me that all these "AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY CANCER ACTION NETWORK, AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN LEGACY FOUNDATION, AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, CAMPAIGN FOR TOBACCO-FREE KIDS, AND PUBLIC CITIZEN" sided with the FDA -

After all isn't getting the smokers to stop using cancer causing smoke a good thing - One would think so. But on reflection, these are all in the pocket of the FDA and are it's lapdogs. If The American People don't want this regulation bad enough it can be fought and laws changed. There really needs to be a Major concerted effort on the part of the People to gather evidence as to the benefits of using e-cigs as opposed to regular tobacco and they need to make a big enough stink. The people need to hit em where it hurts with a huge advertising and information campaign.

As someone who studies health from a nutritional point of view, I have seen the FDA pull enough crap over the years to protect their interests and harm the people. They have tons of chemicals in foods that are very toxic that they don't even have to put on the labels. FDA = EVIL. They are killing people every day and they Know it and they don't care. Don't get me started on medicines that harm and kill. I could write books.

Let's get some governors, state representatives and congressmen to switch to E-cigs. Perhaps they will help introduce laws to help this industry.

 

[John Phoenix]

No, not really. what it means is you will get a warmer vape with more flavor and TH verses the riva-lite bundle. It's worth the 5 bucks to get the se mod. Your cartos and attys will work better over the full range of the battery charge. Now that you've decided on the riva, after all, I suggest you drop the other shoe and purchase some boge 510lr cartomisers from Madvapes. They will provide you with a very good hit that maximizes the capabilities of the riva 510. Good luck in your quest. It looks like you've got it figured out pretty good.

Ahh.. thanks for the info. Er.. No I don't have it figured out yet - still getting there but every little bit helps.