Whats going on ? Will there be a ban ?
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Whatever they do they cant stop me . Im the man who doesnt care at all about rules or toses. I will brake every rule and bypass any security unnoticed until i get what i want. Im really against making my own juice cuz the nic base is really dangerous but if it comes that ill do it. There is no way anyone can stop me . Only way to stop me is by eliminating me because i will find use and abuse lo wholes and weaknesses .
The short answer YES IT DOES AFFECT YOU.
On 8/8/2016 almost everything vaping related will be reclassified a tobacco product.
Several States like New York, new Jersey, Washington, California, Utah, and Indiana
Have rules dealing with tobacco prodycts, and more coming online.
Yoy should watch GrimmGreen's vlogs for the past few weeks.
I has hoped tge congress would pass HR 2058 or The Cole Bishop ammendment but we are 34 days before THR deeming regulations go into effect.
Lol thats some [edited] , im sure it is tobaco companies paying them . Im telling you man us and canada are horrible countries , its supposed to be all about freedom yet even the president doesnt have word in whats going on , everything is ran by the big corporations in the us , they are the ones making the decisions , not the ppl , not the president
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Yep you're going to get royaly screwed unless you prep. Here's things you need to do
Get a few liters of 100mg nic juice in the freezer
Get some Rebuildable Tanks and drippers
Those should be your #1 priority for the next couple of weeks unless you want to go back to Tobacco like they want you too.
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Get a few liters of 100mg nic juice in the freezer
Get some Rebuildable Tanks and drippers
Those should be your #1 priority for the next couple of weeks unless you want to go back to Tobacco like they want you too.
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It's obvious the FDA wants to severly restrict access to vaping products for no other reason than to protect tobacco taxes. It's hard to predict how fast the noose will tighten. In August some restrictions will kick in. May be all existing products will continue to be readily available for the next 2 years or may be things will start to disappear sooner than that.
Tobacco taxes collect so much money that vaping is a funding threat to everybody who depends on tax support. They are the ones denouncing vaping. Me and a lot of other people are putting nic concentrate in the freezer and collecting spare atomizers and mods with replacable batteries. I'm preparing for 10 years of self sufficiently. The bare minimum of vape specific supplies for me will cost $500. Full redundancy adds about $300-400 more--for me.
May be there will be a miracle and the good old days of vaping will continue and we won't need to stockpile after all. May be the tooth fairy will save us.
Making your own is about the only way to assure you will continue to vape no matter what happens in the marketplace. Nicotine base should be treated with respect, but it's not THAT dangerous. Don't splash it around, don't mix it in the same glassware you drink from (I guess if you rinse really well you could) and don't drink it. If you splash it on yourself, rinse it off with lots of water. If you drink it, well................you were warned.
If the powers that be get their way, vaping as we know it today will drastically change. At the very least get some 100mg/ml nic and store it in your freezer. It will keep for a very long time if stored properly. I believe it will be the first thing that will be either hard to get or be a lot more expensive than it is today.
It truly is a shame that folks have been convinced that 10% (100mg/ml) nicotine is so very dangerous to work with. Even I was a bit leery of it to begin with because of the folks that have said it over and over. If treated with respect it is no more dangerous than many of the household chemicals we use in our homes every day.
@Eskie gave you some really good tips on handling it. Take a moment to Read my Blog on how I store my nicotine, get some and then start learning how to mix your own e-liquid. You can Thank me later
It truly is a shame that folks have been convinced that 10% (100mg/ml) nicotine is so very dangerous to work with. Even I was a bit leery of it to begin with because of the folks that have said it over and over. If treated with respect it is no more dangerous than many of the household chemicals we use in our homes every day.
@Eskie gave you some really good tips on handling it. Take a moment to Read my Blog on how I store my nicotine, get some and then start learning how to mix your own e-liquid. You can Thank me later
From a safety perspective I'd be far more worried about that bottle of Drano you have in the under the sink cabinet (which is where it shouldn't be unless you have childproof locks on the cabinet doors). Then there's the Clorox, Windex, bug spray, and all kinds of other poisons we have sitting around the house.
People vape 24 mg/ml and sometimes even 36, the highest usually sold is 100. If you don't need that high, get 36 or 60 mg/ml concentrate, for example 36 diluted to 10% of the total juice results in 3.6 mg.
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The schedule looks to me like:
now--some issues with age verification and payment processing
August 8, 2016--probably serious issues with age verification and payment processing begin
--no new products
--stock up wise, grab some basics, possible service interruption, but don't go broke and ejuice doesn't last forever.
August 8, 2018--end of sale of products without FDA applications in
--stock up wise, BIG deadline
August 8, 2019--end of sale of unapproved products
???-- preemptive gov't action?
???-- we find out, will FDA approve anything. It is somewhat possible they are following the only road available to some sort of endorsement, only acting tough. It will still change the landscape, and I oppose this on the basis of freedom, vaping came from the free market and thus should stay free market. But I'm not sure enough of their guilt to call for no compromise, and I would, no taxes, no age restrictions, no limitations of any kind should be accepted if they are found acting in as bad of faith as it appears.
???-- we see the resulting scene unfold in response
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The schedule looks to me like:
now--some issues with age verification and payment processing
August 8, 2016--probably serious issues with age verification and payment processing begin
--no new products
--stock up wise, grab some basics, possible service interruption, but don't go broke and ejuice doesn't last forever.
August 8, 2018--end of sale of products without FDA applications in
--stock up wise, BIG deadline
August 8, 2019--end of sale of unapproved products
???-- preemptive gov't action?
???-- we find out, will FDA approve anything. It is somewhat possible they are following the only road available to some sort of endorsement, only acting tough. It will still change the landscape, and I oppose this on the basis of freedom, vaping came from the free market and thus should stay free market. But I'm not sure enough of their guilt to call for no compromise, and I would, no taxes, no age restrictions, no limitations of any kind should be accepted if they are found acting in as bad of faith as it appears.
???-- we see the resulting scene unfold in response
Hey neighbor, you are a fellow Canuck so we should not be affected as badly as the boys and girls down south....YET!
If our suppliers, or you and me get any of our stuff from the US OR if it even goes thru the US to get here there could be issues after Aug. 8th.
We may not get the
"early warning" like they got in the states either. We cannot know for sure. Might wake up tomorrow to hear there is a 400% tax on nic juice, who knows???
It is prudent of us therefore to get a little extra here and there along the way. Wait for good deals if you want but get back-ups for back-ups for back-ups etc.,etc.
I do not think any of us want to have to use overpriced cigalikes if it turns out that is all that's available in a year or 2 (or next week).
I believe online sales are already forbidden in Quebec. The feds here may leave any regulation and taxes to the Provinces before they step in with there own Federal tax structure.
At the end of the day all the things we need and use will cost more, maybe a LOT more going forward.
So prepare or be ready to pay the price. Cheers.
If our suppliers, or you and me get any of our stuff from the US OR if it even goes thru the US to get here there could be issues after Aug. 8th.
We may not get the
"early warning" like they got in the states either. We cannot know for sure. Might wake up tomorrow to hear there is a 400% tax on nic juice, who knows???
It is prudent of us therefore to get a little extra here and there along the way. Wait for good deals if you want but get back-ups for back-ups for back-ups etc.,etc.
I do not think any of us want to have to use overpriced cigalikes if it turns out that is all that's available in a year or 2 (or next week).
I believe online sales are already forbidden in Quebec. The feds here may leave any regulation and taxes to the Provinces before they step in with there own Federal tax structure.
At the end of the day all the things we need and use will cost more, maybe a LOT more going forward.
So prepare or be ready to pay the price. Cheers.
Yeah, with each passing day, it looks more and more like only the UK will remain somewhat vape friendly. Maybe Harrods will stock vape stuff as well so it can be a one stop shopping spree for those London trips.
THE DEEMING LAWS FOR VAPE PRODUCTS
ECF: @Tommy-Chi
FDA DEEMING RULES AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely at this point in time
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (KNOWN AS THE PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market
THE RESPONSE
--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers
THE WHY
ECF: @Mazinny, "By 2010, eighteen states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories securitized some or all of their revenue entitlements from the MSA (TOBACCO: Master Settlement Agreement) payment schedule into bonds. The issued bonds totaled $40 billion and are backed by expected future MSA payments." (These bonds would eventually be worthless to the states if vaping continued to grow as it has b/c it is demolishing the market for cigarettes and has so far not been aggressivly regulated or taxed.)
ECF: @Tommy-Chi
FDA DEEMING RULES AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely at this point in time
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (KNOWN AS THE PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market
THE RESPONSE
--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers
THE WHY
ECF: @Mazinny, "By 2010, eighteen states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories securitized some or all of their revenue entitlements from the MSA (TOBACCO: Master Settlement Agreement) payment schedule into bonds. The issued bonds totaled $40 billion and are backed by expected future MSA payments." (These bonds would eventually be worthless to the states if vaping continued to grow as it has b/c it is demolishing the market for cigarettes and has so far not been aggressivly regulated or taxed.)
Just for clarification sake.
For general purposes, 100mg per ml nic base = 10%.
100% nic base = 1,000mg per ml
Now, technically that's not accurate, but that's the generally accepted method of measurement used by vapers. If you want to be totally accurate then even in research laboratory conditions you'll never find a liquid nicotine concentration higher than 99.8%. There are always some impurities.
Basically only vape that meets the 2007 grandfather clause is cigalikes that you get in mini marts, which coincidence would have it is what Big Tobacco has. Everything else will not be approved by the FDA.
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