What's up with all the China hate?

[vicflo]

Wow. this thread is all over the place...babies? livestock?

While the market is convoluted and complicated beyond any description the reason is a lot simpler.

There are those that think throwing pennies at china is going hurt our economy... lol?

Your average american consumer wants the most product for the least amount of money regardless of how, what, when and where. Until we have our own inhouse major manufacturing plants that produce quality ecig related products the majority of people will just buy from the lowest bidder (ie china, philippines, india). It happens to mom and pop shops and happens in big name companies.

I know for a fact that your "average" person that buy provaris and/or $200+ american made mods is not your "average" american.

 

[retired1]

I hear chains rattling in the background. Keep it on topic.

 

[ScottM]

Pennies? 30 Billion trade deficit.

Please do not over-simplify the issue. One of the issues some people have is related to economics.

Some people do like inconsistent quality.

Some people have an issue with trading with countries with ONGOING atrocious human rights practices.

 

[DasBluCig]

Is it time for a group hug yet?????
Maybe.....sit around a campfire, make "s'more"s...and sing "Kum By Ya"????
I've gone through 14 bags of popcorn since this thread was started....!!

 

[bosun]

This horse is long dead folks, let's close the thread.
Most of what we buy came from some where else in one form or another. Components or food. Laws and terminologies are massaged to make the product "American Made".
Businesses are in business to make a profit. The more profit the better chance to stay in business. If they can make a product cheaper, then they make more profit. If something goes wrong then they say "sorry" until the next time they are caught.
You have to take care of yourself, no one else will.
I like the Chinese method of punishment sometimes. If their financials had caused the Great Recession, then their financial high mucky-mucks would have been kneeling in the dirt, with a soldier with a pistol in back of them.
Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugly goes all the way to the bone.

 

[Pinggolfer]

Close the thread I agree. Let's face it American's are too dumb to realize that for every nickle we export to China we import a dollar. We already owe China 3 trillion dollars and counting. They even sell more American flags then American flag companies just to save a buck.

 

[ItTechy]

What, Who, Where????

I thought we WERE going to the Chinese Buffet tonight?

 

[pamdis]

Scott, this is not to pick a fight...but using the emotionally-charged infanticide and execution arguments in a discussion based on economics is appealing to emotion. Infanticide, abuse of women, widow-burning, adulterer-stoning, lynching, witch-burning, discrimination, legal or extra-legal executions, compulsory sterilization, human trafficking, child labor, police brutality, torture of prisoners, child marriages, abandoning the old and poor during natural catastrophes, gas chambers and electric chairs...these and more are practices that every society has had to evolve out of and away from.

Hate to say this, but there is an element of economics in many things in this list. You can't talk about economics in isolation.

 

[john333]

Over the years I have worked with many Americans who had a poor work ethic. Just throwing that out there.

 

[EvilZoe]

I'm sure it's humanity's tendency to throw blanket generalizations on things that is the issue here. Sure, there are going to be some Chinese vendors or manufacturers who cut corners, don't have quality control, out and out cheat people - just like anywhere else in the world - but there will be others who operate with more integrity.

The trick is just in researching as much as you can and locating those who consistently put out quality products, don't abuse their employees, and have excellent customer service.

People tend to forget that every situation is an individual one and not just a whole group painted with the same broad brush.

This goes for just about anything, really. Politics, religion, retail, manufacture...you name it.

Human failing.

 

[Maggiemw]

Hate to say this, but there is an element of economics in many things in this list. You can't talk about economics in isolation.

Ummn, somehow what you read wasn't what I wrote... I was protesting against the use of the "appeal to emotions" fallacy in the post I quoted. A lot of us base our thinking on initial emotional reactions and end up with blanket judgements on totally unrelated issues: "ewwww I'm not buying anything French...they eat frogs...eww yucky."

Unfortunately I'm an economist IRL - I don't talk about economics in isolation. It seeps into everything.

 

[pamdis]

Ummn, somehow what you read wasn't what I wrote... I was protesting against the use of the "appeal to emotions" fallacy in the post I quoted. A lot of us base our thinking on initial emotional reactions and end up with blanket judgements on totally unrelated issues: "ewwww I'm not buying anything French...they eat frogs...eww yucky."

Unfortunately I'm an economist IRL - I don't talk about economics in isolation. It seeps into everything.

I probably did misunderstand. I'm neither an economist nor a debater.

 

[ItTechy]

Time for another controversial discussion.

What is going on with this attitude or hatred against Chinese products?

I am seeing this on Facebook, here, and several other places.

That's because they eat at crappy Chinese, $9.95 All U Can Eat buffets!

Let's face it folks, some stuff just isn't made here, this is what this is topic is about!

Without going into politics or economics!

 

[ScottM]

Time for another controversial discussion.

What is going on with this attitude or hatred against Chinese products?

I am seeing this on Facebook, here, and several other places......

OP wanted to know why some people had an issue with Chinese products, and was willing opening a controversial topic.

Based on the OP's opening of this thread, I find it interesting that people consider certain issues "off topic."

Perhaps it is simply that the other issues related to the topic can't be denied, and since it goes counter to the people wanting to feel good about Chinese goods, the issues are better ignored.

I would respect the statement that those issues just don't concern certain people, and that they don't really care, than to rally around the "off-topic" cheer.

 

[cookiebun]

How 'bout everyone agreeing that it is at least 7 [moderated] loads?

World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2013) - Worldometers
China is 1.3 billion.

 

[patkin]

I, for the most part, only buy genuine Joye products or those made by them such as Ovale but prefer to buy from known, approved, Joye vendors. I used to buy Dekang juices thinking their QC was good based on youtubes of their labs. However, recently, I revisited my thinking. I was real, real, tempted to buy my meds from non-American sources (excluding Canada where they're American but cheaper) but thought long and hard about whether I was willing to risk putting them in my body. The answer was NO! So I continue getting ripped hard buying American-made meds from American vendors and am going to go that way with the juice I also put into my body. I will miss some of my Dekang juices but hearing how they sell low quality, risky, ones to their own citizens, I just can't trust them.

 

[retired1]

I stuck a fork in it. It's done. Closing.