One of the places I stayed at in the mid-nineties was near the Korean border. It wasn't exactly paradise, and exactly zero concern for safety at the well. Zero. Everyone was a replaceable tool.
What's up with all the China hate?
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One of the places I stayed at in the mid-nineties was near the Korean border. It wasn't exactly paradise, and exactly zero concern for safety at the well. Zero. Everyone was a replaceable tool.
I should also mention the village of 200 people poisoned and killed by H2S because they drilling group wanted to save money and reuse failed production iron. They continue this practice, today. An American company is doing everything they can to stop them.
This post speaks volumes to the 'Murican mindset.
A quick side note (that does indeed have bearing), I studied vehicle engineering at Western Washington University (a very good and well recognized program) and we had one of the 40 (I believe?) EV1's produced. GM donated it to our school after the program was scrapped. Our students figured out how to install new batteries (GM removed them), controllers etc, and got it on the road, and found out what a fantastic car it was. They even drove it to a few local shows. GM found out and immediately threatened the school with legal action, because we were driving the car that they *gave* us. That engineering marvel now sits outside, covered with a tarp. GM was afraid that if word got out that we (good ol' 'Murica) had the ability to produce an economical, energy efficient, high quality electric car, they wouldn't be able to sell their monstrous gas-guzzling SUV's that are both poorly manufactured and assembled to reduce costs and boost profits.
American cars used to be good quality, long-lasting vehicles, built well, and priced for the average person. Nowadays, they're throwaway heaps of junk, with cost-prohibitive repairs. It's cheaper in the long run to buy a new car when your Ford gets to 100k miles than it is to fix what's wrong and keep driving it. People bash the Korean cars, but don't realize that most American-made cars are JUST AS TERRIBLE, but MORE EXPENSIVE.
Our auto industry used to be one of our most prominent exports. I recently moved (temporarily thank god) to Michigan, 30 minutes from Detroit. I notice a LOT LOT LOT of new Fords driving around, naturally. Do you know what I DON'T see? OLDER Fords driving around. They don't last! There are TONS of older Toyotas, as well as *some* new ones. The lesson here is that the Toyotas were built to last. The Fords were built to be throwaway items. And people claim CHINA builds crap!
Americans cut costs to boost profits more than anyone else! Americans just choose not to see it, yet still feel the need to wave their fingers at China for producing good quality, cheap whateverthehellitis to make a buck, because they can't stand to think that "buying American" isn't much better than buying from China.
Now, comparing high-end mods from America to mass-produced mods from China is absolutely ridiculous. People seem to think China's just trying to make a buck by passing off poorly made mods (which in general is not true) and taking advantage of us poor, poor 'Muricans. The people building this Chinese stuff are WORKING HARDER than US citizens think they should have to (we're just oh-so-special), making FAR LESS MONEY than we think is "fair" (thanks to our own sense of entitlement).
If it weren't for China making stuff quickly and effectively (albeit *sometimes* at a lesser quality) us Americans wouldn't be able to afford the extravagant lifestyles we see as "our right". We are privileged to live in a 1st world country, and it's the 3rd world countries that make that possible. But somehow, we look down on THEM, for doing out dirty work.
I heard it a few times in this thread, about how people won't buy from China because of their uber-polluting factories. Guess who sells them their coal? THE GOOD 'OL USA! We sell them our coal, so we can make some easy money. Then they burn it, throwing out all kinds of pollution (which WE suffer from as much as anyone else), and WE look down on THEM! Not only that, their factories are primarily building stuff for US. We are the instigators, and China is our scape goat.
All of these people touting "American build quality" need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that maybe it's not the people working very very hard for very little money trying to scrape by that are the problem. Maybe it's the entitled "1st class" that feels they shouldn't have to work very hard, get payed really well, and have everything their heart so desires. Oh, and it should be made in America, to high standards, but not cost very much
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But again, I have to point out the population numbers.
Over 7 billion people man. You can spend your entire life in China and see horrible things 99% of the time. In the grand spectrum of things, you'd still have only witnessed a fraction of what the whole picture is.
Another note regarding a few people who claim that our "American metal" is better than "Chinese metal". North America has a wealth of ore deposits for making alloys, like those we use in mods, among millions of other things. Lately, China has been buying all of our "good" metal, because we can sell it to them cheap, in bulk (sound familiar?). What is leftover of the "good" alloys is sold here in the US, at a higher price.
You need to understand that industry a little better. The source of the ore does not make "good metal." It is the refining process. Following refining, which is mostly done overseas now, the metal is imported back to the US. At that point, quality control chicks are performed, and the metal is sold. The quality checks that are performed hold the quality of steel constant. In China, the QC part of the process is very relaxed, or non-existent. It is also commonly overridden. The quality of metal then is inconsistent. Another point you are missing, is that some devices are made of stainless, some are made of titanium, and most are made of plated soft metal. Even if the bulk of the device is stainless, etc., look and check of what metal the coil portion is stamped. That is what sees the heat from the coil, and will first react with the juice.
You keep saying this and it's completely false. The population of China isn't 7 billion.
How 'bout everyone agreeing that it is at least 7 [moderated] loads?
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I don't have a dog in this fight, nor do I really care. One thing I've always found funny is that vast majority of the people that are so proud of their "Made in the USA" Provari or mech mod are powering them with good old Chinese batteries.
Please verify the following for truth:
We are talking about an industrialized country in which the practice of infanticide is common. Regardless of your conviction on abortion, I am talking postpartum. After the birth killing of babies. Again, go to places away from Shanghai, Beijing, etc., and speak at length with villagers and farmers.
There is a zero-population growth directive. People that have more than one child are ostracized, severely. Many are stript of jobs and career paths. Not all, but most. In smaller towns, it is a common practice for female babies to be killed, so that there is still a chance to have a son. Farmer's communities, where hard physical work is the norm, has a very profound desire to have male children.
Do I like my Protank II? It is really nice. Is it that nice?????
Everyone is free to have their own opinions. I have had an opportunity in life to see some things that many from this country will never see. Unfortunately, one of those things includes a public execution. I have had a chance to spend time with individuals in many countries that visitors to those countries will never, or rarely, have chance to speak with, let alone get to know as friends. My views will not be shared by most other people here, and I get that. I do not feel a need to change anyones views, but I feel a need to provide a defence for mine.
The question was, "why all the hate on Chinese products?" It is more complex than simply whether I like my eVic. A wide open question will receive a wide range of responses on a public forum.
We are talking about an industrialized country in which the practice of infanticide is common. Regardless of your conviction on abortion, I am talking postpartum. After the birth killing of babies. Again, go to places away from Shanghai, Beijing, etc., and speak at length with villagers and farmers.
There is a zero-population growth directive. People that have more than one child are ostracized, severely. Many are stript of jobs and career paths. Not all, but most. In smaller towns, it is a common practice for female babies to be killed, so that there is still a chance to have a son. Farmer's communities, where hard physical work is the norm, has a very profound desire to have male children.
Do I like my Protank II? It is really nice. Is it that nice?????
Everyone is free to have their own opinions. I have had an opportunity in life to see some things that many from this country will never see. Unfortunately, one of those things includes a public execution. I have had a chance to spend time with individuals in many countries that visitors to those countries will never, or rarely, have chance to speak with, let alone get to know as friends. My views will not be shared by most other people here, and I get that. I do not feel a need to change anyones views, but I feel a need to provide a defence for mine.
The question was, "why all the hate on Chinese products?" It is more complex than simply whether I like my eVic. A wide open question will receive a wide range of responses on a public forum.
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Here is something a little closer to home.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ntally-......ed-but-texas-does-it-anyway.html
I know Hangsen Tobacco flavors are the best made. Their facility is State-of-the-Art. They all have a nice clean flavor. The tobacco flavors I have from vendors like FA and TFA sit in the test tube rack while I vape Hangsen.
Well said!
Indeed to accurately answer a question like this is very complex.
Because this is a public forum people like yourself and myself tend not to go into too much depth, but indeed very well said!
I haven't had a problem with Dekang having watched the lab videos on youtube. However, over in the eroll subforum, there's a recent post by someone who deals with the Chinese and I was shocked to say the least. It seems they sell only the highest quality and tightest quality control products to Americans and other countries demanding quality while selling off much inferior and less safe products to their own citizens. I have a serious problem with that. I guess my problem is when capitalism excludes compassion I'm gonna be suspicious.
Scott, this is not to pick a fight...but using the emotionally-charged infanticide and execution arguments in a discussion based on economics is appealing to emotion. Infanticide, abuse of women, widow-burning, adulterer-stoning, lynching, witch-burning, discrimination, legal or extra-legal executions, compulsory sterilization, human trafficking, child labor, police brutality, torture of prisoners, child marriages, abandoning the old and poor during natural catastrophes, gas chambers and electric chairs...these and more are practices that every society has had to evolve out of and away from.
Every single society that I know of has either been guilty in the past of some or all of these practices, or is guilty now of them. Every single society.
May the people that has never sinned cast the first stone.
Now, back on topic: buy whatever it is you want, but buy it mindfully, intelligently, thoughtfully.
Every single society that I know of has either been guilty in the past of some or all of these practices, or is guilty now of them. Every single society.
May the people that has never sinned cast the first stone.
Now, back on topic: buy whatever it is you want, but buy it mindfully, intelligently, thoughtfully.
Pretty arrogant to say insinuate my the subject matter of my post was off-topic.
Don't want "emotionally" charged responses? Don't open a thread that is a question regarding emotion- hate.
And there is a HUGE difference between supporting a society that used to do something, versus one that is currently.
The day a US President pushed for China to be included into the WTO was a travesty. Forget human rights concerns, we want to do business.
THis may not be an issue to others, but it is a very important issue, to me. Explaining this answers the OP's question. While I do note "hate" Chinese products, I do not like to see money move to that country.
Don't want "emotionally" charged responses? Don't open a thread that is a question regarding emotion- hate.
And there is a HUGE difference between supporting a society that used to do something, versus one that is currently.
The day a US President pushed for China to be included into the WTO was a travesty. Forget human rights concerns, we want to do business.
THis may not be an issue to others, but it is a very important issue, to me. Explaining this answers the OP's question. While I do note "hate" Chinese products, I do not like to see money move to that country.
That "cow" was from Canada and never made it into the food chain. Because of lax Border regulations and inspection, the US Government tried to implement NAIS, tacked on to the "Patriot Act". This required anyone who had livestock, ratites, poultry, waterfowl, exotic birds, rabbits, etc., to "register" their premises, micro chip every animal within 24 hours of it's birth, document in triplicate every movement off the owner's property of said animal, every sale, every death, vaccinations............the cost in the micro chips alone would have prevented many people from simply having animals that provided eggs, milk or meat strictly for their own consumption. A $12 micro chip inserted into a $1.50 day old chick made the whole idea ridiculous, but of course, large poultry operations got a pass, they got a "flock ID", cattlemen got a "Herd ID".
It was just another attempt at taking out the little guy and pass on the costs to the consumer. And the biggest issue was that it's large scale producers that are "ground zero" in almost all of these health issues. Exotic Newcastle Disease ring a bell? Salmonella in eggs?
I and other domestic animal owners fought NAIS, we won, but the biggest culprits in the industry are still feeding animal-by-products to their food animals and not mandating bio security on their premises. 2 main factors causing recalls of tainted or illness carrying products.
You instigatin'
I'm not seeing what you're selling. If anything, god forbid you criticize FT here or the FT Fanbois will dump all over you. What does really bug me is all the people - a lot of them - that dump all over non China vendors if they dare make one more penny than FT does in profit to keep their US business open. The word "ripoff" is applied a lot to any place that charges 10 cents more than FT does for anything. That I don't agree with, but I'm not about to get into a pointless "discussion" about it either. If you get a warm fuzzy supporting the China economy directly while ...... all over any US supplier that can't or won't sell you the same thing for a FT price - well I hope you feel all warm and fuzzy 'bout that.
We aren't all Americans here...
That car you are speaking about is now the Chevy Volt. The Ev1 was produced in 1996 to 1997 by GM. 1100 units were produced the first year. Gas was about $1.25 a gallon then.
Toyota by the way holds the world record for recalled vehicles.
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