When do I stop squonking with the reomizer?

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I did that too. Then I thought to myself, hmmm the wick is so high above, let me squonk and hold it for another 10 seconds until it reaches the wick.

Ah, sound like way too much. When I squonk I just make sure there's coming a little juice up from the hole, say so it barely covers the floor of the base. That worked with the stock setup as well for me.

I'm gonna do what you do from now on, but I'm just afraid of burning the wick since the juice doesn't reach so high.
 

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I did that too. Then I thought to myself, hmmm the wick is so high above, let me squonk and hold it for another 10 seconds until it reaches the wick.



I'm gonna do what you do from now on, but I'm just afraid of burning the wick since the juice doesn't reach so high.

O.K. First off; as others have said, I think you are "priming/squonking" too much. And let's forget about the wick/coil touching the base of the "reomizer" for now. You don't want it to unless you have built your own wick/coil and then only the wick can hang down but you don't want the coil to touch the base.

Basically, the juice gets up to the wick by your sucking/inhaling on the drip tip (as long as there is some juice in the well.)

Hang in there man. I use cotton as my wick so once it's saturated/primed with juice I probably don't have to "feed" the "reomizer" as much as another reonaut would, but everyone is different no matter what wick material they use.

I think you are pressing/squonking too much, tightening the "reomizer" too tight and I would say let's forget all about the wick touching the base 'til you get your particular rhythm down with this thing.

And don't worry. It becomes second-nature to you after awhile.

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i'm waiting on some vapemail, it contains a reomizer.

by just drawing air through the drip tip it saturates the wick? and not your mouth?

can you drip with this atomizer?(sample flavors?)

You saturate the wick in the normal way, by squonking. :)
As for dripping I don't know, haven't tried it with mine. But I guess it should be possible, just vape until the wick gets dryish and then drip and taste.
 

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if the wick is suspended above the base how does juice transfer up to the wick?

(these questions will probaly be redundent once my gear arrives)

The wick does not touch the little tube where the juice comes into the atty. But when the juice comes up it creates a bubble and the top of the bubble of juice touches the wicking. If you keep squonking the bubble will burst and the rest of the juice goes into the bottom of the atty. If you make a wick with a "tail" that will allow juice to wick up to the coil.

You can watch this all happen with the top part of the Reomizer off. It is interesting for those of us that have nothing better to do!
 

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Yeah it seems weird, but it works. Have you tried pushing the coil closer to the base? I remember on the stock setup I pushed the coil down as far as I could get it, without touching.
But making a new coil and wick is very, very easy, so if you haven't ordered some kanthal and wick material, do it ASAP.
 

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The wick does not touch the little tube where the juice comes into the atty. But when the juice comes up it creates a bubble and the top of the bubble of juice touches the wicking. If you keep squonking the bubble will burst and the rest of the juice goes into the bottom of the atty. If you make a wick with a "tail" that will allow juice to wick up to the coil.

You can watch this all happen with the top part of the Reomizer off. It is interesting for those of us that have nothing better to do!

Well there you go, that's quite cool!
 

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Cn,

Been following this thread and I think you have been oversquonking and prolly your oring is nut sealing properly (either it has been damaged or the rba is nut tight enough, but don't go too tight on it). You might wanna take up Rob's offer for a thicker oring. My reomizer screws easily till it bottoms out then prolly nut even 1/16 of a turn to tighten.

If there's too much juice in the rba's bowl (floor) try taking a hard vape without power to help draw some of this excess unto the wick/coil. If its totally flooded your gonna have to disassemble and sop some of that liquid out. Also if you're holding the reo at an incline where the juice in the atty can run towards the air hole, it will drain from it so make sure your leak is nut from there.
 

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I think it's my o-ring, it doesn't fit around the catch cup perfectly like this one.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k534/ecfstuff/equipment/RBA build/RBA021.jpg
Cn,

Been following this thread and I think you have been oversquonking and prolly your oring is nut sealing properly (either it has been damaged or the rba is nut tight enough, but don't go too tight on it). You might wanna take up Rob's offer for a thicker oring. My reomizer screws easily till it bottoms out then prolly nut even 1/16 of a turn to tighten.

If there's too much juice in the rba's bowl (floor) try taking a hard vape without power to help draw some of this excess unto the wick/coil. If its totally flooded your gonna have to disassemble and sop some of that liquid out. Also if you're holding the reo at an incline where the juice in the atty can run towards the air hole, it will drain from it so make sure your leak is nut from there.
 

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I think it's my o-ring, it doesn't fit around the catch cup perfectly like this one.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k534/ecfstuff/equipment/RBA build/RBA021.jpg

It's nut a tight fit over the connector but nut loose either. It should slide over the connector without the oring being stretched. You might want to take magnifying glass and inspect the oring for deformities (flatness, pits, tears). If the oring is the problem then its an easy replacement. There might have been a manufacturer's defect with the oring you got (it happens) too. Best bet for you would be to pm Rob for a new one or go to hardware store and find one. Good luck with it.
 

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It's nut a tight fit over the connector but nut loose either. It should slide over the connector without the oring being stretched. You might want to take magnifying glass and inspect the oring for deformities (flatness, pits, tears). If the oring is the problem then its an easy replacement. There might have been a manufacturer's defect with the oring you got (it happens) too. Best bet for you would be to pm Rob for a new one or go to hardware store and find one. Good luck with it.

Thanks, will stop by Home Depot and see if they have some.
 

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Were you able to find a suitable o-ring and get this fixed?

I wouldn't have much faith that one of the big box stores would have the right size (not your average plumbing size). I have a bag of both the standard size 1mm ones and another bag of the 1.5mm oversized. I'd be glad to see you some of each if you PM me w/ an address.

Others have said they think you were over squonking. I wonder if you've discovered the problem and it is due to not having a good seal between the RBA and the mod. You said somewhere you were squonking for ten seconds. If I did for that long - juice would be cascading over the top of the whole contraption. Three seconds is about as long as I try. Works for me.

For me, in my short experience with these, a three second squonk fills the inside enough to fully saturate the wick. And once I stop the squonk the vacuum created by the bottle sucks the remaining juice back down into the bottle and thus out of the well of the RBA. Saturated wick, no excess juice. Perfect!

I'd be curious after you squonk - does the juice get sucked back thru the center hole into the bottle or does it hang around inside the RBA?

Let me know on the o-rings. I have more than I will ever use.
 

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Hey, yeah I tried it with 3 seconds squonk it still leaks, it's frustrating, I'm going to clean it and blow dry it with my hair dryer until it is 100% dry and then start from scratch again, before I just wiped it dry probably not 100% dry. It could be the o-ring not fitting perfectly. I went to Home Depot today, told me they don't have any. Boo..

I will PM you my addy now and give the new o-rings a try, thanks !

Were you able to find a suitable o-ring and get this fixed?

I wouldn't have much faith that one of the big box stores would have the right size (not your average plumbing size). I have a bag of both the standard size 1mm ones and another bag of the 1.5mm oversized. I'd be glad to see you some of each if you PM me w/ an address.

Others have said they think you were over squonking. I wonder if you've discovered the problem and it is due to not having a good seal between the RBA and the mod. You said somewhere you were squonking for ten seconds. If I did for that long - juice would be cascading over the top of the whole contraption. Three seconds is about as long as I try. Works for me.

For me, in my short experience with these, a three second squonk fills the inside enough to fully saturate the wick. And once I stop the squonk the vacuum created by the bottle sucks the remaining juice back down into the bottle and thus out of the well of the RBA. Saturated wick, no excess juice. Perfect!

I'd be curious after you squonk - does the juice get sucked back thru the center hole into the bottle or does it hang around inside the RBA?

Let me know on the o-rings. I have more than I will ever use.
 
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Here's a pic of it leaking beyond the catch up.

Squonked 3 seconds then released, juice barely filled the floor of the reomizer. Vape 3 puffs, placed it down on the table, 1 hour later juice on the catch cup, 2 hours later, juice beyond the catch cup. (Pic below)

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Just cleaned everything and dry it. Let's see what happens when I wake up tomorrow.
 

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Clear silicon sealer is a last resort that definitely works. I used it about a month and a half ago on my Mini 2.0 that had the catch cup expanded so that the Reomizer would fit. The intent was to have the base of the RBA stay attached to the mod and only unscrew the top part when I either change out the coil or do a dry burn. About a week ago, the silicon stopped adhering to the base of the RBA. So now, it is functioning as a custom built gasket. I don't worry at all about over filling the Reomizer with the exception of not having juice standing over the coil. I did that once, and I had to vape heavy for 30 minutes with the Reo tilted to keep the coil over the juice. It didn't leak then either.

If you do decide to use a silicon sealer make sure everything is clean and take the feeder tube and bottle out. Also remove the coil. After making a ring in the catch cup with the sealer, screw in the RBA. Before the sealer has a chance to dry, you will want to clean out the feeder hole by using a toothpick to force out the sealer that <WILL> get into the tube. You will want to finish it off by running some yarn through the hole to clean out the remaining silicon. I think I had to use a needle and thread to make a loop for pulling the strand of yarn through. Let it set overnight. In the morning put the feeder tube back on and install your coil. Before putting the battery in, you might want to test for a short. If you take an ohm-meter to the post and get the expected resistance (somewhere between 1 and 3 ohms) you are good to go.

BTW, nice color for your Reo!
 

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Here's a pic of it leaking beyond the catch up.

Squonked 3 seconds then released, juice barely filled the floor of the reomizer. Vape 3 puffs, placed it down on the table, 1 hour later juice on the catch cup, 2 hours later, juice beyond the catch cup. (Pic below)

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Just cleaned everything and dry it. Let's see what happens when I wake up tomorrow.

First off thats way too much juice to be overflowing the cup. I see very little juice in my cup during use and it has never overflowed the cup. You may indeed have a gasket issue. But first lemme explain about squonking a little. When your juice bottle is near full, the squonk is less than than when the bottle is not as full. Why? Because the fluid level in the bottle and tube will equalize. Squonking exerts pressure inside the bottle and forces your juice up the tube into the rba, atty, what have you. I think it is not really accurate to say that a squonk should be so many seconds or any time period for that matter. Depending upon the amount of liquid in the bottle and amount of pressure that you exert upon the bottle will determine the length of time for your optimum squonk for the juice to saturate the wick. You might want to try this, take off the reo door so you can see the bottle which for demo purposes is half full. You will notice that the tube portion exiting the bottle is empty or very near empty. The tube should be the same in the bottle as well until it dips into the juice. This is where it equalizes. Now gently squeeze the bottle and watch the juice go up the tube, hold your squeeze without further pressure and your juice should retain the same level. Let go and juice falls back into the bottle to the same level with the juice in it. From doing this you can see that if the bottle were to be near full not much continuous increasing pressure is needed to move the juice all the way up to the top. Not much time or pressure will give you the necessary amount. When your bottle is near empty, the opposite holds true. Continuous increasing pressure for a longer time would be necessary. The harder you squonk the less time it'll take. For myself with a near full bottle its like maybe 1.5 seconds, when its near empty, maybe about 3 seconds. But remember the pressure I use will not be the same as yours so our times will differ. Also the dryness of the wick will also come to play, dryer wicks will require more juice.

The squonk should be only to wet the wick, this is easier said then done. We cannot see the wick so thats why usually we over/under squonk and we get a dry vape or spillage unto the floor of the atty. Some wicks are long enough to suck up any excess off of the floor but the original wick of the reomizer is not built that way. All of this will become second nature to you so don't worry about it. I just wanted to explain what happens during a squonk.

I still think you have a gasket problem so don't get me wrong, unless for that 3 second squonk of yours you really used a hard one and put a lot of fluid up in there. Don't get discouraged, you'll probably be an ace in no time flat.
 
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