When FDA to Vote on Eliquid Ban

[CommaHolly]

so if they ban internet sales, we'll all be spending 3X as much at brick and mortar stores IF we can even FIND one,,,,,,,,,not to mention a lack of flavor variations (I think my brick and mortar store sells 4 flavors sigh).



Oh E gads. sigh.

 

[ohai]

This is very true! I realized after my posts that it wouldn't make any sense to contact NY representatives because one of the first things they want to know is what district you are in. But, there are still ways to sound your voice in a manner that will be heard.

I emailed all the NY reps anyway. Not one of them asked where I was from in their auto-responses thanking me for my unnamed concerns, but I figure it still registers, it's all part of the volume, even if they never read it.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I emailed all the NY reps anyway. Not one of them asked where I was from in their auto-responses thanking me for my unnamed concerns, but I figure it still registers, it's all part of the volume, even if they never read it.

Okay then, back to it! Thanks, Ohai!

 

[darwinvsjesus]

I'm kind of saddened by some of the remarks I am seeing. Whether you agree with anything he claims about the world or not, David Icke does have one philosophy we should all agree on; Don't give your power away! The reason they can do whatever they want is because people accept and believe this, consequently they do nothing, and every now and then something is taken from us. I have personally worked very hard with a lot of animal welfare issues and I have seen results locally with just a few dozen people! EVERYONE should be writing or calling. If the memebers of house think the people will throw them out, they will listen.

Trust me. and pretty soon, someone will make a law to our disadvantage; the uproar should be of such a scale that they have no choice but to give us back our right to vape. Please everyone, 'Little me' attitudes are not helpful here. They can try to do whatever they want, but if we all say 'NO!' they will back down.

 

[bnrkwest]

Even if they ban nic sales online, you can still get zero nic juices, my thought is to have some nic on hand to add to zero juices and we are set I have some in the freezer, plus alot of 14 and 7 nic already mixed, so I have alot on hand right now. bnrk

 

[jplanet]

Ah - ha! So, if the FDA bans online nic sales, it will force people to keep nic liquid on hand to mix with their flavors. Which, of course, exposes people to higher concentrates of nicotine liquid - people who may not be inclined to DYI, and therefore not be aware of the safety issues when dealing with high nic concentrate liquids. People with curious kids and pets around the house. I can see where this is going...the FDA intervenes, and that's when emergency room visits start to increase, and actual injuries are recorded as a result of vaping...

 

[Mr.Mann]

Ah - ha! So, if the FDA bans online nic sales, it will force people to keep nic liquid on hand to mix with their flavors. Which, of course, exposes people to higher concentrates of nicotine liquid - people who may not be inclined to DYI, and therefore not be aware of the safety issues when dealing with high nic concentrate liquids. People with curious kids and pets around the house. I can see where this is going...the FDA intervenes, and that's when emergency room visits start to increase, and actual injuries are recorded as a result of vaping...

The worse part is that if your scenario were to happen, that would only solidify and validate the perceived "dangers" of our ways. There are many parallels to that scenario but I will just refer to it as any kind of broad sweeping prohibition.

 

[NancyR]

so if they ban internet sales, we'll all be spending 3X as much at brick and mortar stores IF we can even FIND one,,,,,,,,,not to mention a lack of flavor variations (I think my brick and mortar store sells 4 flavors sigh).



Oh E gads. sigh.

You're doing better than I am. I have only found one smoke shop in joplin that carries e-juice at all, (there may be more but I sure haven't seen them), and this place has one very small case with small bottles think they are about 3 ml for $7 and they have reg and menthol and every great once in a while pineapple.

 

[CommaHolly]

You're doing better than I am. I have only found one smoke shop in joplin that carries e-juice at all, (there may be more but I sure haven't seen them), and this place has one very small case with small bottles think they are about 3 ml for $7 and they have reg and menthol and every great once in a while pineapple.

OUCH!!!!!!!! I thought 12 bucks for 10 ml was a lot!!!

 

[Jim Bob]

Well, For whatever it may be worth, in my humble opinion the latest Federal Court spanking has the FDA on "damage control" (as it very well should IMO) . I don't believe for a minute they're in any hurry to play that card anytime soon. To do so would stink of corruption and being in the pocket of BT - which I have to believe (even IF they ARE) they would never want known.

It IS my opinion they(FDA) wanted to "nip this in the bud" before it got to where it is NOW, they failed (and that is great) there are Far too many of us now IMO to mess with, any one of us (no matter who we may be) is of little matter, millions of us is a whole different matter entirely ..

One must "pick their fights " and with childhood obesity on the "forefront" at the moment I just don't see this as something the FDA would be foolish enough to begin to TRY to tackle... there are many of us , well educated and articulate enough to make them regret it and honestly after their last attempt and getting SO "spanked" I believe they have "bigger fish to fry" at least for soem time to come (IF they have ANY "common sense at all - and I believe they do overall)

 

[jplanet]

Great post, Jim, I hope you are right.

Another disadvantage - from the FDA's perspective - of any ban: it will bring a LOT of publicity to vaping. Lots.

 

[Jim Bob]

Great post, Jim, I hope you are right.

Thank you- jplanet-I do as well- but it's not all "blind hope" - not at all..

Another disadvantage - from the FDA's perspective - of any ban: it will bring a LOT of publicity to vaping. Lots.

To be fair (and 100% clear) what I am meaning is simply I do not believe at all - at THIS TIME the FDA wants THIS fight- there are other more obviously easy to win (for them) they NEED after the Federal Court Ruling against THE FDA.........that being said being what they are (GOV) NO matter "how much" they would love (and I'd say a bunch) to kill vaping - this is not the time IMO

The reality is the FDA when it is all "said and done" GOT Caught with their proverbial "pants down" when they lost and used "it has (what amoutned to the exact same things as nicotine patches etc.) - NOW IF you're not going to regulate these you sure can't try to ban vaping- when you DO you "lose face" they never expected it to be "common knowledge" (IMHO) and regardless IT IS..........and truth IS no matter HOW you feel about "politics" (public opinion in a nutshell) , when you're a political power YOU MUST deal with the reality of politics (as any Gov agency knows too well)

All that (and the above ) "being said" does the FDA "like it"? I'd say NO

However it is "political suicide" IMO at this point to move forward with any regulations or bans- and each day it gets "worse" for the FDA IMO

SO.......

We NEED to get even MORE into vaping - reduce or quit smoking - when WE (as a group) do so we insure the fact that it's not "worth it" for the FDA (or anyone else) to push this silly agenda( IF you doubt this look at Big Tobacco success) people= $ = power, that IS reality

 

[AzIrish]

Working with a very large organization, we ask that you put it writing. Now with that you need to call first and find a personal email address. Talk with that person about the email you are going to send. Get pointers from this person and don't address it towards this person. Address your concerns towards the the entire operation. Then follow up with a phone call asking if they could take this to their upper management and ask for a return even if it's not in your favor. This works very well with me and most are ready to hear an answer. Dialogue is always key to anything.

 

[Jim Bob]

With all due respect - NONE of that matters when a Fed court handed you your backside (as is the case with the FDA and vaping)- long before it got to this point as far as numbers are concerned - which IS my whole point- politics - like it or not IS on our side at this moment in time..........enjoy it while we can is my thought!

 

[~Shado~]

Ah - ha! So, if the FDA bans online nic sales, it will force people to keep nic liquid on hand to mix with their flavors. Which, of course, exposes people to higher concentrates of nicotine liquid - people who may not be inclined to DYI, and therefore not be aware of the safety issues when dealing with high nic concentrate liquids. People with curious kids and pets around the house. I can see where this is going...the FDA intervenes, and that's when emergency room visits start to increase, and actual injuries are recorded as a result of vaping...

Everyone is always looking for the "Back door in"...dont think for a minute the FDA, BT, etc....are not watching all the forums, picking all the ammo they need to "Protect us from ourselves".

Sadly, they do get alot of ammo right here among us....if you follow the DIY threads at all.....how many times have you seen where folks WILL not exercise their own brains, put some effort into doing any research of their own...but simply state something simliar to...

....."Hey!!! I just started vaping a little bit ago, and want to save some money by DIYing...so...I bought a crap ton of high nic and a few flavors.....now what?"

If a online sales ban does become a reality....where would anyone get nic to keep on hand after initial stock was gone?...I doubt there would be enough vapers willing to open a B&M in short enough time to gain a large stock to supply the masses within their area.

All in all....I find it to be a disturbing future for us....

 

[ogredog]

I'm kind of saddened by some of the remarks I am seeing. Whether you agree with anything he claims about the world or not, David Icke does have one philosophy we should all agree on; Don't give your power away! The reason they can do whatever they want is because people accept and believe this, consequently they do nothing, and every now and then something is taken from us. I have personally worked very hard with a lot of animal welfare issues and I have seen results locally with just a few dozen people! EVERYONE should be writing or calling. If the memebers of house think the people will throw them out, they will listen.

Trust me. and pretty soon, someone will make a law to our disadvantage; the uproar should be of such a scale that they have no choice but to give us back our right to vape. Please everyone, 'Little me' attitudes are not helpful here. They can try to do whatever they want, but if we all say 'NO!' they will back down.

Icke is a plant. Purposely for disinformation. He tells the truth on a lot of issues then lets himself be discredited by the masses for his repillian people nonsense. If you people want to know what's going on in the world watch the documentary wake up call. You can find the full 2 1/2 hour movie on YouTube I will find it and post back here....and yes I know icke is in it

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKoAmTI-e4

 

[DeFib]

Does anyone know what the date of the vote for this proposed ban is? I keep hearing "this summer" but I havent yet heard when exactly.

Also, what is your opinion on the matter? Do you THINK we will get the axe or do you think we're fine?

Personally, I'm very worried, yet i remain optimistic.

I don't think they will be able to ban it. Several companies have stopped selling it as a safe, stop smoking juice. These terms are still being used and those companies will probably just get fined. I don't think much more than this will happen for now. As far as certain states banning eliquid I hope that doesn't happen and I believe our industry is growing large enough and has enough financial support to stop almost all if not all of this bad legislation.


Freedoms worst enemy is *REGULATION* - let the market regulate itself!!!

 

[DeFib]

Oh and anyone who believes or is even slightly swayed by the words being shat out of the mouth of that turd Icke needs to get their head examined. That guy is a nut job, who's only goal is to get attention, to spread fear, to generate sales, to save any trace of reputation he think he has, even if it's only preserved in the minds of completely ignorant fools.

 

[Kemosabe]

i saw a member post in a different thread (cant for the life of me find it) that nicotine is present in all nightshade plants, not just tobacco. it might just be as simple as soaking one of these plants in VG/PG to get nic liquid. but its probably not. welp, heres to hoping! :cheers:

 

[Jim Bob]

It is present but in very small amounts FWIW