Well I made a beautiful little quiz but Facebook Apps seems to be broken. My quiz is lost in the intrawebz atm.
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There is a "dictionary" so to speak. Look at this post, when I say something like PV or PM or any number of abbreviations it will have an underline. That means if you "hover" your mouse over the abbreviation it will tell you what it means. Hope that helps.
Somewhere along the way--long after I'd figured out by the contexts what all (well, most) of the acronyms meant--I finally stumbled over the embedded definitions.
I did mention that I'm a hopeless ....., didn't I?
The quiz is up. Now I would like some suggestions for tweaking. http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=which-electronic-cigarette-is-right-me
Well, for those that get the point here, just keep doing what your doing and we thank you.....Hey, shannons, good effort on the questionnaire. I've been waiting to see something like that pop up. That is a perfect eye opener for new ppl. So does it require a new acct, or access to all?
I think it requires an account, but it's linked to facebook so hopefully it will be easier. It's a work in progress, not nearly finished. If anyone wants to contribute, post here with what you consider the post important attributes of each of these models 510, 901, KR808- and eGo and how they would affect new users.
This is all my fault.
By standard kit
510- 2 hour battery, great hit and vapor, replicates cigarettes best. compact unit, with a couple options. Highest selling model (attomiser) and manufacturer. affordable, and getting better. many options for upgrade. More costly to use than 901, but not by much.
901- 3 hour battery ish, good vapor, great flavor. Great for ppl that love to taste vs hit. Very affordable, minimal upgrades. Great traditional light smoke.
808- need an 808 vet to input, im not him.
ego - larger unit in size, and exceptional battery life, can be best in class. best in class manufacturer. Versatile in options, and easily upgraded. The mercedes of e cig world. also, a good looking piece with class. But comes with a price tag. upgrades might have you spending xtra money.
These 4 units are the highest recommended without fail. They all have quirks, but each are unique, and great at what they do. Parts for all are easily found.
510- 2 hour battery, great hit and vapor, replicates cigarettes best. compact unit, with a couple options. Highest selling model (attomiser) and manufacturer. affordable, and getting better. many options for upgrade. More costly to use than 901, but not by much.
901- 3 hour battery ish, good vapor, great flavor. Great for ppl that love to taste vs hit. Very affordable, minimal upgrades. Great traditional light smoke.
808- need an 808 vet to input, im not him.
ego - larger unit in size, and exceptional battery life, can be best in class. best in class manufacturer. Versatile in options, and easily upgraded. The mercedes of e cig world. also, a good looking piece with class. But comes with a price tag. upgrades might have you spending xtra money.
These 4 units are the highest recommended without fail. They all have quirks, but each are unique, and great at what they do. Parts for all are easily found.
BigChief- I'm with J808 - I get your point and agree but only to a point. I got a little long winded here in the wee hours after fixing my hair (new avatar) so forgive me for making this more wordy than necessary.....
We all started this obsession out with some trepidation- many of us (yourself included ) have spent lots of $ purchasing juice we don't like, gear we found to be inadequate or put on a shelf and simply no longer use-"too much stuff". Note- i didn't say we wasted money.
I think it's important to let people know that there are trade offs and a certain degree of trial and error involved and that cartos, attys and batterys should all be considered disposables. How many of you former smokers stuck with the first brand of cigarettes you tried? It's also important to let newbs understand that this is more like buying a computer than buying a car- there are newer/better ones comming out all the time so consider your purchase may have built in planned obselecesnce, and the better devices offer more flexibility through accessorizing. A smart iinitial purchase should be thought of more as a platform than a final solution.
Wasn't that long ago that if you came here and spent days reading stickies and tracing back links, the recommendation dejour was a standard 510 setup with two batteries, two atties and a charger for around $79 if you wanted refillable three piece or similarly priced 810 for cartridge. And that usually came with some crappy prefilled catridges or tips that were suggested to be the equivalent of 1/2 a pack. If you were reading and planning ahead so you wouldn't run out of supplies you bought extras (like everyone recommended), and some juice- and you were easily over $100 .... There were a few box mods and flashlight mods but there were no LR or HV atties, no variable voltage devices, dripping was way out there (there weren't drip tips), refilling cartos was a new concept, and the hot topic was the blue foam mod..... life was simple- as a newb, you had your choice 901,808 or 510.... 3.7V was an option for experienced users....
Fast forward 10 months and it's a different world - still primarily 808 or 510, but highly finished user friendly semi custom devices running at 3.7, 5V and 6V (let's distinguish from diy wired box mods) are widely available for a bit more than the standards, and technology on batteries, devices and juice delivery is changing weekly. The number of vendors has more than doubled, the art of DIY juice has proliferated and the ecig world is just a more complicated place... So in turn the answers to "what device is best for me?" is more complicated.
Personally, I struggled with the original recommendation of a 510 standard set up - it just wasn't enough for me- wasn't till 5 months later that I put an LR atty on an eGo that I was able to give up analogs. What held me back was my original but incorrect premise that my pv had to look as close to a cigarette as possible, and that my juice had to taste like tobacco. When I got my V3, I had a similar eye opening experience and really got a feel for different attys and voltages and using different combinations with different juices.
My point is by setting the bar low and keeping it simple, you may be setting up some people for failure and to some degree doing a disservice by not offering discussion on more sophisticated devices and options.
Shanon-
Some feedback on the quiz-
- I don't think its flawed at all- it's a good way to get pointed in a direction and make a quick recommendation to the person who wants to get started without necessarily learning all about it first- you should lead with that- who want's higly flawed advice
- It put me into an eGo correctly (given your options), but I think you should also suggest LR atties ,a variety of cartos, and at least one drip tip- especially since i said money wasn't as important.
- I also think you should spend some time prefacing the quiz with something to suggest that its meant to be a quick and dirty response to get non technical newbies to a starting point
- you should also point out that this is a journey, and a reasonable expectation is that you should plan on spending at least the same amount on ecigs as you do on analogs for the first few months.
-Another thing I noticed is a few of the questions center around throat hit- I don't think someone that never smoked an e-cig can tell you what they want there- I can tell you how to get more or less but without a starting point, I'm not sure it means anything.... you might be better off asking if they smoked regulars, mediums or lights, but even still, none of the newbie devices can generate vapor for throat hit or lung hit like a true 3.7V let alone a true HV setup so someone asking for max throat hit and handing any of these devices is probably not a great recommendation without suggesting a look at some basic HV mods.
- When I answered the question that "technology is my friend", I think you should have pointed me to some of the threads or suggested further research on variable voltage and battery, atty, carto combos as opposed to assuming I wanted or would be happy with a newbie device. I think the hurdle of getting past the terminology (which depending on your background may just be a few new words for concepts you already understand) should not limit the advice given to anyone who claims technology is their friend- especially when we have the hover feature.
-last but not least, I suggest you provide 1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd results along with some additonal informatoin i.e. you said cost was a priority and the 510 is a bit less expensive than the eGo....more on that below..
BTW The KISS Principal originated at Lockeed and stands for Keep It Simple Stupid (the term is used when an engineer is overdesigning something- like me in this post ;-)....
Einstein said earlier "everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler"
Both originated from Occram's Razor which bascially translates to "the best explaination is the simplest and the simplest means it makes the least number of assumptions- not the least number of words"....
So take into consideration that I might say cost is important to me but I didn't tell you that where I live, cigs are $12/pack and I smoke 2 packs a day. Whereas someone else might say cost is important but cigs cost $4/pp and they smoke 1/2 a pack a day... I promise you that the cost conscious $24 per day guy doesn't want you to save him $10 for a device that might not satisfy him as well whereas the $2/day guy might. Point being if someone says cost is a factor, you need more information to provide valid advice.
Which brings to mind another saying - if you make something even an idiot can use, only an idiot will use it. Let's not assume that all newbies are confused, want quick and dirty answers to their questions or can't handle the acronyms. If they want more info and ask after going throught the stickies and taking the quiz, we should feed them the info TLAs, atties, cartos, HV/LR atties, mods,VV, protected, unprotected and all.
RE: rediculing someones purchase, I haven't seen too many posts ridiculing anyones purchase (although I've seen a few bashes on what people paid) and I agree that its inappropriate for this section but it may be appropriate to tell someone nicely that if they came here first, we could have guided them to a wiser decision- I guess it depends on the tone and context......
We all started this obsession out with some trepidation- many of us (yourself included ) have spent lots of $ purchasing juice we don't like, gear we found to be inadequate or put on a shelf and simply no longer use-"too much stuff". Note- i didn't say we wasted money.
I think it's important to let people know that there are trade offs and a certain degree of trial and error involved and that cartos, attys and batterys should all be considered disposables. How many of you former smokers stuck with the first brand of cigarettes you tried? It's also important to let newbs understand that this is more like buying a computer than buying a car- there are newer/better ones comming out all the time so consider your purchase may have built in planned obselecesnce, and the better devices offer more flexibility through accessorizing. A smart iinitial purchase should be thought of more as a platform than a final solution.
Wasn't that long ago that if you came here and spent days reading stickies and tracing back links, the recommendation dejour was a standard 510 setup with two batteries, two atties and a charger for around $79 if you wanted refillable three piece or similarly priced 810 for cartridge. And that usually came with some crappy prefilled catridges or tips that were suggested to be the equivalent of 1/2 a pack. If you were reading and planning ahead so you wouldn't run out of supplies you bought extras (like everyone recommended), and some juice- and you were easily over $100 .... There were a few box mods and flashlight mods but there were no LR or HV atties, no variable voltage devices, dripping was way out there (there weren't drip tips), refilling cartos was a new concept, and the hot topic was the blue foam mod..... life was simple- as a newb, you had your choice 901,808 or 510.... 3.7V was an option for experienced users....
Fast forward 10 months and it's a different world - still primarily 808 or 510, but highly finished user friendly semi custom devices running at 3.7, 5V and 6V (let's distinguish from diy wired box mods) are widely available for a bit more than the standards, and technology on batteries, devices and juice delivery is changing weekly. The number of vendors has more than doubled, the art of DIY juice has proliferated and the ecig world is just a more complicated place... So in turn the answers to "what device is best for me?" is more complicated.
Personally, I struggled with the original recommendation of a 510 standard set up - it just wasn't enough for me- wasn't till 5 months later that I put an LR atty on an eGo that I was able to give up analogs. What held me back was my original but incorrect premise that my pv had to look as close to a cigarette as possible, and that my juice had to taste like tobacco. When I got my V3, I had a similar eye opening experience and really got a feel for different attys and voltages and using different combinations with different juices.
My point is by setting the bar low and keeping it simple, you may be setting up some people for failure and to some degree doing a disservice by not offering discussion on more sophisticated devices and options.
Shanon-
Some feedback on the quiz-
- I don't think its flawed at all- it's a good way to get pointed in a direction and make a quick recommendation to the person who wants to get started without necessarily learning all about it first- you should lead with that- who want's higly flawed advice
- It put me into an eGo correctly (given your options), but I think you should also suggest LR atties ,a variety of cartos, and at least one drip tip- especially since i said money wasn't as important.
- I also think you should spend some time prefacing the quiz with something to suggest that its meant to be a quick and dirty response to get non technical newbies to a starting point
- you should also point out that this is a journey, and a reasonable expectation is that you should plan on spending at least the same amount on ecigs as you do on analogs for the first few months.
-Another thing I noticed is a few of the questions center around throat hit- I don't think someone that never smoked an e-cig can tell you what they want there- I can tell you how to get more or less but without a starting point, I'm not sure it means anything.... you might be better off asking if they smoked regulars, mediums or lights, but even still, none of the newbie devices can generate vapor for throat hit or lung hit like a true 3.7V let alone a true HV setup so someone asking for max throat hit and handing any of these devices is probably not a great recommendation without suggesting a look at some basic HV mods.
- When I answered the question that "technology is my friend", I think you should have pointed me to some of the threads or suggested further research on variable voltage and battery, atty, carto combos as opposed to assuming I wanted or would be happy with a newbie device. I think the hurdle of getting past the terminology (which depending on your background may just be a few new words for concepts you already understand) should not limit the advice given to anyone who claims technology is their friend- especially when we have the hover feature.
-last but not least, I suggest you provide 1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd results along with some additonal informatoin i.e. you said cost was a priority and the 510 is a bit less expensive than the eGo....more on that below..
BTW The KISS Principal originated at Lockeed and stands for Keep It Simple Stupid (the term is used when an engineer is overdesigning something- like me in this post ;-)....
Einstein said earlier "everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler"
Both originated from Occram's Razor which bascially translates to "the best explaination is the simplest and the simplest means it makes the least number of assumptions- not the least number of words"....
So take into consideration that I might say cost is important to me but I didn't tell you that where I live, cigs are $12/pack and I smoke 2 packs a day. Whereas someone else might say cost is important but cigs cost $4/pp and they smoke 1/2 a pack a day... I promise you that the cost conscious $24 per day guy doesn't want you to save him $10 for a device that might not satisfy him as well whereas the $2/day guy might. Point being if someone says cost is a factor, you need more information to provide valid advice.
Which brings to mind another saying - if you make something even an idiot can use, only an idiot will use it. Let's not assume that all newbies are confused, want quick and dirty answers to their questions or can't handle the acronyms. If they want more info and ask after going throught the stickies and taking the quiz, we should feed them the info TLAs, atties, cartos, HV/LR atties, mods,VV, protected, unprotected and all.
RE: rediculing someones purchase, I haven't seen too many posts ridiculing anyones purchase (although I've seen a few bashes on what people paid) and I agree that its inappropriate for this section but it may be appropriate to tell someone nicely that if they came here first, we could have guided them to a wiser decision- I guess it depends on the tone and context......
Jimho...hot digity dog. Be easy on shannons, its day 1 with that, and she has no previous efforts to work from. As far as the new ppl, Were talking ppl that just recently heard the term "electronic cigarette". There are some that can purchase more, dont care about looks etc..I'm talking about the mass public flooding here daily that have never really seen anything but a mall kiosk clown, or a commercial, radio add etc. But e cigs are getting DEEP...Its not so simple anymore. But WE have been here through these transitions, as other have not. Its simple bombardment of info, when all they want is to try the new thing that has everyone dropping cigs. Chances of keeping so much info and options SIMPLE..slim to none, but I try. I still blow minds while I'm out and about how I have this thing in my hand burning with no flame..."its magic mommy". Once we reach that critical mass in the general public, then we can lighten up and pick up the pace, but for now, its space aged technology that still freaks ppl out. Maybe I'm just in a conservative state..pretty sure I am. But you bring up some darn good points, and I'm curious why I haven't seen or heard from you before. Long winded, yeah, but I was paying attention, and I think others will also. Those were good words. You need to speak up more.
Ok, re-read j808 post again. I don't think it would be too much to expect veterans to know where to find what forums a little better, and let ppl do a little legwork and research themselves on some issues. That would make for more work on the vet's part for a bit, namely mine as I'm guilty here, but might speed things up and allow for some more personal decision making in the long run. I'd hate to feel like I was dodging any viable questions though, and just being lazy about it. BUT, anyone that has been vaping even a few months, and scoured this forum would be entitled to expect new ppl to do a little dirty work as well and essentially pay their dues also. I guess all of those dues could be considered part of the dedication to vaping, and should be held with certain expectations from both ends. It goes without saying that veterans of the e cig world have taken a lot of shots, spent a lot of money, countless hours, and sheer sweat on the ol' brow has flowed heavily to make things easier for the ppl that follow after. And a lot are smoke free, with more money, better health and lifestyles because of it, including me, and because they got the flywheel turning, generations to come will benefit from it, so a little respect and gratitude is owed for it. They HAVE earned the right to expect more out of us, and us out of future new comers.
Its late, and THAT was long winded...Ill have to say good night yall
Ok, re-read j808 post again. I don't think it would be too much to expect veterans to know where to find what forums a little better, and let ppl do a little legwork and research themselves on some issues. That would make for more work on the vet's part for a bit, namely mine as I'm guilty here, but might speed things up and allow for some more personal decision making in the long run. I'd hate to feel like I was dodging any viable questions though, and just being lazy about it. BUT, anyone that has been vaping even a few months, and scoured this forum would be entitled to expect new ppl to do a little dirty work as well and essentially pay their dues also. I guess all of those dues could be considered part of the dedication to vaping, and should be held with certain expectations from both ends. It goes without saying that veterans of the e cig world have taken a lot of shots, spent a lot of money, countless hours, and sheer sweat on the ol' brow has flowed heavily to make things easier for the ppl that follow after. And a lot are smoke free, with more money, better health and lifestyles because of it, including me, and because they got the flywheel turning, generations to come will benefit from it, so a little respect and gratitude is owed for it. They HAVE earned the right to expect more out of us, and us out of future new comers.
Its late, and THAT was long winded...Ill have to say good night yall
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hahah yall crack me up!!..... I think after reading all this I am more confused than ever....hahaha I think I have narrowed it down though that my V4L is ok for the time being but I think I wanna go up to a EGO....We shall see. I went 10 hrs yesterday without a cig, fighting the craving the whole time, then panicked when I relized I had no cigs for todays emergency craving or with my morning coffee. I had a free coupon for a pack of Marlboros so I went and used it. I think I need a stronger Ecig. Or more nic. I am nursing it as it is, pulling every 1-2 min 2-3x all day.
@mom2-7girls
Your vapor king is a good PV. I would definitely try upping the nicotine a bit before throwing down money on a whole new device right now. Even if you want to try something else, you can get adapter connectors for your batteries. I have to go to work so I don't have time to go through all your options, but someone will come along in a few minutes who might be able to help.
Your vapor king is a good PV. I would definitely try upping the nicotine a bit before throwing down money on a whole new device right now. Even if you want to try something else, you can get adapter connectors for your batteries. I have to go to work so I don't have time to go through all your options, but someone will come along in a few minutes who might be able to help.
Thank you.....
I keep hearing about adapters, what are they for and what would I use it for.... I refilled 3 today and I keep getting air, like sucking air with some vapor results. I am screwing them on good, I checked that. Right now we have 24mg nic...thinking of getting some 36mg..
I keep hearing about adapters, what are they for and what would I use it for.... I refilled 3 today and I keep getting air, like sucking air with some vapor results. I am screwing them on good, I checked that. Right now we have 24mg nic...thinking of getting some 36mg..
I had to go up to 36mg and get LR atomizers before i could quit smoking. Just have to keep at it and see what works for you. Took me a month to figure it out for myself. You will get there, just takes a bit of time and trial and error.
Definitely try to up your nicotine levels mom2, and see if that helps. You also need to be aware though that some people need more than just the nicotine in cigarettes to feel "normal", like the MAOIs that tobacco provides. If raising your nicotine levels doesn't work, you might consider trying to supplement your e-cig with either snus or orbs. Both are mess free smokeless tobacco and have proved to be the solution quite a few vapers needed to completely stop smoking. Check out the smokeless tobacco section for more information.
Most of all though, don't worry if you are still smoking and don't panic. Quitting times vary with each individual. Some quit the first day, some take weeks, some months. Just cutting back the number of cigarettes you used to smoke is great. The more you panic and worry over the fact that you are still smoking, the more you are going to want to. Give yourself permission to have a cigarette when you want it. The quitting will come eventually and it will happen on your body's own personal time table.
Big Chief- Wasn't trying to be hard on ShanonS... just giving straight feedback- I think it's a good idea and a great start.
I've been here for quite a while- I think I shared a few with you...... you might not recognize my new face (used to be eddie murhpy as buckwheat) I tend to be offline in the late afternoon and evening so I miss alot of the back and forth....but I chime in now and then.... one of the things that sucked me in this thread was back in your original post acknowledging that most of us that stick with it have switched off the original devices that attracted us in the first place. I wonder and worry about how many people give up after their original purchase doesn't meet their expectations? What I'm really after is 1- how to set the expectations right so they don't give up, and 2- help people make decisions on where to go next ....
I think this last post from mom2-7girls is a great example of what happens- I prefer to see an answer like Stormfinch's than a simple "bump your nic" response because it offers some insight.... I also think this is a good example of where we can get some stickys together ... kind of like a troubleshooting cheat sheet with pointers to good threads for in depth discussions for those that want to go there .... we could cover all of the "it's ok but not working for me" generically with info on how variables effect your vape and create a sort of road map for each platform...
Also to be fair, part of the difficulty in ramping up may be eased with the new search feature- remember how it used to exclude short terms.. like eGo or PV? All of the answers are here in the forum and have been asked many times but finding the posts has allways been a challenge... the new site makes it a bit easier.....
Gotta run- be back later today... p.s. - I realize this might be a huge undertaking, but I'd be willing to write some of this stuff up and happy to vet it ..
I've been here for quite a while- I think I shared a few with you...... you might not recognize my new face (used to be eddie murhpy as buckwheat) I tend to be offline in the late afternoon and evening so I miss alot of the back and forth....but I chime in now and then.... one of the things that sucked me in this thread was back in your original post acknowledging that most of us that stick with it have switched off the original devices that attracted us in the first place. I wonder and worry about how many people give up after their original purchase doesn't meet their expectations? What I'm really after is 1- how to set the expectations right so they don't give up, and 2- help people make decisions on where to go next ....
I think this last post from mom2-7girls is a great example of what happens- I prefer to see an answer like Stormfinch's than a simple "bump your nic" response because it offers some insight.... I also think this is a good example of where we can get some stickys together ... kind of like a troubleshooting cheat sheet with pointers to good threads for in depth discussions for those that want to go there .... we could cover all of the "it's ok but not working for me" generically with info on how variables effect your vape and create a sort of road map for each platform...
Also to be fair, part of the difficulty in ramping up may be eased with the new search feature- remember how it used to exclude short terms.. like eGo or PV? All of the answers are here in the forum and have been asked many times but finding the posts has allways been a challenge... the new site makes it a bit easier.....
Gotta run- be back later today... p.s. - I realize this might be a huge undertaking, but I'd be willing to write some of this stuff up and happy to vet it ..
just saw this... quick answer...
Adapters are for attaching attomizers/cartos on batterys/devices from other models... i.e. attaching a 510 atty to a 901 battery or a 901 to an 808 etc....
If you are sucking air there is a problem... if you are on an automatic battery there might be a problem with the switch or the way you are inhaling.- try sucking harder.. could be a problem with your carto- you may have not filled it properly or it may be dying-> try a new carto - it may be your battery is discharged or isn't charging properly - try a freshly charged battery...
really gotta run...
If you're getting too much air, sometimes it helps to cover the air vents (by your atty connection I'm assuming) with your fingers when you take a drag. This will of course restrict the air flow and you'll get more vapor than air. That was a trick I used when I had a mini ecig.
Small ecigs like the vapor king and Kr808d-1 are great for beginners. It's only when they aren't satisfied or need longer battery life that they need to know about battery mods. IMHO. My bestfriend just told me he felt frustrated with his 808 and felt like he had to drag forever just to get his nic. THAT'S when I recommended the EGO to him and he loves it now. He has a month under his belt now!
I don't have an EGO I have a Prodigy V3 that I use primarily. It's still the next most logical step for someone frustrated with their "mini"
An adapter lets your KR808 work with an atomizer threaded for different battery. You can get an adapter to use different atomizers on the KR808 Battery you already own.
This is a link to first google search result I found for an adapter that would work with your model: Adapter for connecting a DSE901 or KR808D-1 battery with a Joye510 atomizer
If you obtained an adapter like that, you could try out 510 atomizers with the batteries you already own to see if it improves your vaping satisfaction. A drip tip to fit the 510 would be helpful if you wanted to give this a try.
This is just one option for finding an alternative that suits you better. There are other possible solutions to your issues.
The conventional wisdom for helping a new person who is having trouble with vaping is to tell them that they are using their starter kit wrong, rather than telling them that they may have the wrong starter kit.
Some people never get rid of analog cravings using a "mini" ecig. Some people do. If you keep trying different things and it isn't working, you might want to consider a device with higher voltage.
BigChief- I'm with J808 - I get your point and agree but only to a point. I got a little long winded here in the wee hours after fixing my hair (new avatar) so forgive me for making this more wordy than necessary.....
We all started this obsession out with some trepidation- many of us (yourself included ) have spent lots of $ purchasing juice we don't like, gear we found to be inadequate or put on a shelf and simply no longer use-"too much stuff". Note- i didn't say we wasted money.
I think it's important to let people know that there are trade offs and a certain degree of trial and error involved and that cartos, attys and batterys should all be considered disposables. How many of you former smokers stuck with the first brand of cigarettes you tried? It's also important to let newbs understand that this is more like buying a computer than buying a car- there are newer/better ones comming out all the time so consider your purchase may have built in planned obselecesnce, and the better devices offer more flexibility through accessorizing. A smart iinitial purchase should be thought of more as a platform than a final solution.
Wasn't that long ago that if you came here and spent days reading stickies and tracing back links, the recommendation dejour was a standard 510 setup with two batteries, two atties and a charger for around $79 if you wanted refillable three piece or similarly priced 810 for cartridge. And that usually came with some crappy prefilled catridges or tips that were suggested to be the equivalent of 1/2 a pack. If you were reading and planning ahead so you wouldn't run out of supplies you bought extras (like everyone recommended), and some juice- and you were easily over $100 .... There were a few box mods and flashlight mods but there were no LR or HV atties, no variable voltage devices, dripping was way out there (there weren't drip tips), refilling cartos was a new concept, and the hot topic was the blue foam mod..... life was simple- as a newb, you had your choice 901,808 or 510.... 3.7V was an option for experienced users....
Fast forward 10 months and it's a different world - still primarily 808 or 510, but highly finished user friendly semi custom devices running at 3.7, 5V and 6V (let's distinguish from diy wired box mods) are widely available for a bit more than the standards, and technology on batteries, devices and juice delivery is changing weekly. The number of vendors has more than doubled, the art of DIY juice has proliferated and the ecig world is just a more complicated place... So in turn the answers to "what device is best for me?" is more complicated.
Personally, I struggled with the original recommendation of a 510 standard set up - it just wasn't enough for me- wasn't till 5 months later that I put an LR atty on an eGo that I was able to give up analogs. What held me back was my original but incorrect premise that my pv had to look as close to a cigarette as possible, and that my juice had to taste like tobacco. When I got my V3, I had a similar eye opening experience and really got a feel for different attys and voltages and using different combinations with different juices.
My point is by setting the bar low and keeping it simple, you may be setting up some people for failure and to some degree doing a disservice by not offering discussion on more sophisticated devices and options.
Shanon-
Some feedback on the quiz-
- I don't think its flawed at all- it's a good way to get pointed in a direction and make a quick recommendation to the person who wants to get started without necessarily learning all about it first- you should lead with that- who want's higly flawed advice
- It put me into an eGo correctly (given your options), but I think you should also suggest LR atties ,a variety of cartos, and at least one drip tip- especially since i said money wasn't as important.
- I also think you should spend some time prefacing the quiz with something to suggest that its meant to be a quick and dirty response to get non technical newbies to a starting point
- you should also point out that this is a journey, and a reasonable expectation is that you should plan on spending at least the same amount on ecigs as you do on analogs for the first few months.
-Another thing I noticed is a few of the questions center around throat hit- I don't think someone that never smoked an e-cig can tell you what they want there- I can tell you how to get more or less but without a starting point, I'm not sure it means anything.... you might be better off asking if they smoked regulars, mediums or lights, but even still, none of the newbie devices can generate vapor for throat hit or lung hit like a true 3.7V let alone a true HV setup so someone asking for max throat hit and handing any of these devices is probably not a great recommendation without suggesting a look at some basic HV mods.
- When I answered the question that "technology is my friend", I think you should have pointed me to some of the threads or suggested further research on variable voltage and battery, atty, carto combos as opposed to assuming I wanted or would be happy with a newbie device. I think the hurdle of getting past the terminology (which depending on your background may just be a few new words for concepts you already understand) should not limit the advice given to anyone who claims technology is their friend- especially when we have the hover feature.
-last but not least, I suggest you provide 1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd results along with some additonal informatoin i.e. you said cost was a priority and the 510 is a bit less expensive than the eGo....more on that below..
BTW The KISS Principal originated at Lockeed and stands for Keep It Simple Stupid (the term is used when an engineer is overdesigning something- like me in this post ;-)....
Einstein said earlier "everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler"
Both originated from Occram's Razor which bascially translates to "the best explaination is the simplest and the simplest means it makes the least number of assumptions- not the least number of words"....
So take into consideration that I might say cost is important to me but I didn't tell you that where I live, cigs are $12/pack and I smoke 2 packs a day. Whereas someone else might say cost is important but cigs cost $4/pp and they smoke 1/2 a pack a day... I promise you that the cost conscious $24 per day guy doesn't want you to save him $10 for a device that might not satisfy him as well whereas the $2/day guy might. Point being if someone says cost is a factor, you need more information to provide valid advice.
Which brings to mind another saying - if you make something even an idiot can use, only an idiot will use it. Let's not assume that all newbies are confused, want quick and dirty answers to their questions or can't handle the acronyms. If they want more info and ask after going throught the stickies and taking the quiz, we should feed them the info TLAs, atties, cartos, HV/LR atties, mods,VV, protected, unprotected and all.
RE: rediculing someones purchase, I haven't seen too many posts ridiculing anyones purchase (although I've seen a few bashes on what people paid) and I agree that its inappropriate for this section but it may be appropriate to tell someone nicely that if they came here first, we could have guided them to a wiser decision- I guess it depends on the tone and context......
You are really overestimating the capabilities of the quiz software I have to work with LOL! I do appreciate your feedback, however.
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