No, the factory was the same but the brands are different if that makes sense (it's kind of weird because Singer does have their own factories, and they have produced for a number other brands over the years.)
When we say clone we really mean fake - don't we?
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No, the factory was the same but the brands are different if that makes sense (it's kind of weird because Singer does have their own factories, and they have produced for a number other brands over the years.)
Here is my take (sorry it might get long winded)
There is PROOF that selling counterfeits directly benefits drug cartels and terrorist organizations. I am a handbag lover. I don't buy fakes. I take it upon myself to educate myself so if I buy second hand, I'm not buying a fake.
You can call me a brand wh or shallow or whatever. My bags don't define me, it's just something nice that I like.
As far as vaping supplies, I don't know if selling of fake or counterfeit products directly benefits terrorist organizations.
IMO everything is made in the same warehouse then just stamped with the manufacturers name.
Here is what I think..
Counterfeit/fake-someone passing off the item as the "real" branded/trademarked thing...think handbags, clothing, watches, shoes etc.
clone-same thing, same build etc but not branded (this is what makes me think sometimes that certain items are all made in the same place)
Knock off/copycat-a design that's taken from someone else's design and maybe tweaked or changed a bit but still mostly the same. Designers do this ALL the time.
I watched a thing on Ray ban sunglasses. The company that manufactures ray ban actually makes pretty much every branded pair of glasses you find, all in the same plants. So whether you buy Vogue glasses from Walmart or Chanel glasses from where ever, they're all coming from the same place.
All in all, tl;dr, if I knew that buying fake products supported crime, poverty etc, I wouldn't buy those fake products. Until then, just buy what you want.
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Earlier today I ordered a Kanger Areotank Giant for 15 buck from Vaperbeast.com.
I didn't just order a clone did I? I'm freakin'! I should of checked with you guys first!
I didn't just order a clone did I? I'm freakin'! I should of checked with you guys first!
Rehashed Hash turning into Mush.
Like I said, Same old Same old.
Does not matter what the reason it is still BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
Even though there are past threads talking about a authentic vs clone, some A) don't give you the answer you need and B) are a few years old and talk about a atty, tank, etc. That hasn't even come out yet.There might be hundred of threads talking about it, me I work have a family to take care of and don't have the 2+ hours to sit and go through every single thread if I can't find what I'm looking for I ask. This forum was started to help others and discuss new products and that's what this is, I put it like this and apologize if I offend anyone but if you don't want to read another beaten horse post then don't read it! Our goal is to help one another expecially newbies not scare them away!
Not only that (s)he wasn't asking what the real difference was, he was asking if the people selling counterfeits had ties to crime.
I got a spinner from fasttech. AFTER ordering I realized it was a vision "style". In the mean time I bought another spinner. They both look EXACTLY a the same.
There has to be some kind of benefit out there for someone to produce a cheaply made product and have it be worth it to sell.
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I got a spinner from fasttech. AFTER ordering I realized it was a vision "style". In the mean time I bought another spinner. They both look EXACTLY a the same.
There has to be some kind of benefit out there for someone to produce a cheaply made product and have it be worth it to sell.
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i am sure that in post war Japan there was probably some sort of
licensing agreement in place. i can't recall of the top of my head
but,there are many examples of brand items made in Japan and
sent here where sold in Japan under a different name.
some identical,some where a more economical version.
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mike
As the OP I've already said I'm new to this game, and sure it's been discussed already but discussions go out of date and this whole scene is a rolling wheel that goes on and on!! Sorry if the old hats may get fed up seeing repeat questions but that's not my problem, just ignore it like I have to do on some of the Facebook photography groups I advise on!!
So what I was asking was did people even really stop to think about it at all? My particular concern is seeing the packaging being faked as well as the product because, if nothing else, that could lead to someone being totally ripped off!! Not just paying a higher price for the genuine article but actually getting a fake in return - how would you really know unless you purchased from an authorised dealer!! I'd like to think this is an honest industry but experience tells me that's unlikely! For the Shenzhen company to be selling VA Phenoms with identical packaging to the original means someones got to be buying them and then selling them!!! Caveat Emptor again!!!
You're absolutely correct, but we'll probably never know who is licensing whom or who is simply upgrading and branding a generic product and what is simply up for grabs or any other circumstance of manufacture and distribution. To lump clones and generics in as fakes and counterfeits doesn't sit right with me.
Earlier today I ordered a Kanger Areotank Giant for 15 buck from Vaperbeast.com.
I didn't just order a clone did I? I'm freakin'! I should of checked with you guys first!
Oh man I didn't I?
Oh man I didn't I?
If it was advertised as a Kanger Aerotank Giant and not a Kanger-style or Aerotank clone, then it is probably the real thing. The sites that sell clones advertise that they are selling clones. And they are not funding crime or terrorism. These clones are made by Chinese manufacturers and are often purchased wholesale by local e-cig shops and online vendors who sell them as clones... which is what many vapers want. But the clones that are popular aren't usually cheap authentic tanks like a Kanger Aerotank. There are more clones of metal tubes that cost many hundreds of dollars authentic.
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I'm not criticizing your post, I'm glad you posted it [emoji5]️
My point is that someone somewhere has to be benefiting from selling fake products.
Like with other products, the people usually benefiting are tied to crimes.
I believe that not all vendors advertise fake items as clones. I think maybe in this case, it's the actual vendor ripping people off and not the manufacturer.
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People who benefit from selling illegal products are often tied to crimes.
But nothing is being done illegally in this case.
I have never seen a vendor advertising a clone as an authentic product. You are right though, in that there probably is someone. Ebay is a great place to purchase stuff. They will always side with the buyer in a dispute, similar to American Express. So, if you get a fake product that was advertised as authentic, you get your money back... and you keep the fake!
For local vendors, American Express is a good card to use to pay for your stuff. They will very quickly protect the buyer in a dispute as well.
It came today but wasn't what I intended to buy. (LOL a little) I was in a vape shop the other day and was checking out what I thought was this tank...A tank that had both throw away coils and building coil options, with the choice of 2 decks that can be changed out. The little dork snickered at my Istick and said I would need a real mod to run this tank. I bought it with intentions of sitting on it till I picked up a wood sub ohm mod soon.
The one I seen was trimmed out with a little red and this one doesn't so I shouldn't of jump the gun but I'm still liking the tank and at 15 buck from VaperBeast and was sent quicker than an ordered pizza I might add.
I think I'll call'er Dolly Parton while it's still on the 20w Istick. 205 grams this thing is heavy.
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Several of the shops here order from somewhere and offer their products at great prices. I know when it comes to handbags, (I'm comparing this to clothing etc because it's the only other thing I know where there are numerous fakes being passed as the real thing) if you find a price that is too good to be true, it probably is.
All I can say is that if you are buying something that is being passed as real but is significantly cheaper than it's being sold for elsewhere, then it probably is a fake being passed off as authentic. It might not happen a lot online, but I see it in local shops.
All I can say is that if you are buying something that is being passed as real but is significantly cheaper than it's being sold for elsewhere, then it probably is a fake being passed off as authentic. It might not happen a lot online, but I see it in local shops.
Well where I live, the e-cig shops don't actually advertise anything. They just have glass cases with mods in them. There will be something like a 20mm Caravela (authentic is impossible to get and is 23mm) with a sticker for some low price. Vaping as a hobby isn't huge here though, so very few people would actually know that A) this design is commonly referred to as a 'Caravela', B) there are collectors who own expensive hand-made mods that look very similar to this, C) this is a cheap clone from China.
People come in, look at the stuff, try it out, and purchase what they like.
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