Where are the commercial prebuilt solutions?

[aheatedatom]

I've been wondering how much better a genesis style atomizer may be than the clearomizer type of devices I mostly use now.

If the answer is 'proportional to how good a job you do of rolling up mesh, torching it, cutting it, wrapping coils, testing them, and screwing them to the battery connection', then it's probably not something I'd get into or do well before getting frustrated with.

Would you say the big advantage of the genesis design is the customizability, is it the SS wick, or something else?

If a big part of it is SS mesh instead of silica, why are there no prebuilt commercial wicks/coils for these? I could imagine a number of designs where a mesh wick and coil are a single assembly that could snap into the atomizer body.

On the same note, why no clearomizers etc. with mesh wicks? I see people modding clearomizers to use mesh wicks themselves, again why not sell them like this commercially? Or some enterprising member rewick a few boxes of vivi nova or t3 heads with mesh and sell them at a markup?

 

[Rule62]

It's probably because the failure rate would be pretty high. SS mesh wicks and coils are a bit touchy, until well broken in; and many coils which may have been working well when built, wouldn't survive the handling during shipping.

 

[Trick]

One major problem with mesh-and-coil setups is that, eventually, they need to be replaced. While many vendors can, and do, ship atomizers with coils and wicks that work out-of-the-box (most of the time), when they need to be replaced, you're back to having to drop it in, wire it up, eliminate hotspots, and all the other fun stuff that comes with setting up a new wick and coil.

Anything shipped prebuilt (and again, some are -- the Zen attys are an example of one that ships with a preinstalled coil and wick) are only going to give you a temporary solution; the vendor won't be there to hold your hand when you need to rebuild. RBAs (SS mesh ones in particular) are still very much advanced devices and really not for someone who doesn't want to take on rebuilding them.

 

[Hello World]

I couldn't go back to clearos after I had vaped RBAs. The difference is day and night. Full flavor and taste. I sort of had this idea that one could lapse back into smoking with clearos, but once you've tasted a properly set up RBA, there's no turning back -- point of no return ... lol.

Granted, it's a learning curve with lots of futzing and setbacks, but in the end every minute would have been worth it.

You won't be sorry getting into RBAs.

 

[KraKsX]

Someone was/ is (out of stock) selling vivi nova heads, re wicked to SS Mesh.

So, at the very least someone had the same thought as you, and is putting in the time to give it a shot

 

[kiwivap]

I've been wondering how much better a genesis style atomizer may be than the clearomizer type of devices I mostly use now.

If the answer is 'proportional to how good a job you do of rolling up mesh, torching it, cutting it, wrapping coils, testing them, and screwing them to the battery connection', then it's probably not something I'd get into or do well before getting frustrated with.

That's the answer.

Would you say the big advantage of the genesis design is the customizability, is it the SS wick, or something else?

Being able to customize it I'd say. And when its done right the flavor is awesome.

If a big part of it is SS mesh instead of silica, why are there no prebuilt commercial wicks/coils for these? I could imagine a number of designs where a mesh wick and coil are a single assembly that could snap into the atomizer body.

One problem would be that different RBAs have different size wick holes. The other problem would be that people like to customize the coil to the ohms they want - and that can vary a lot between vapers. Also a Genesis atty isn't one where the wick and coil just snap in - you have to get the tension right. And as some-one mentioned - the coils could get get disturbed in transit - so even if they were pre-made the user may end up with hotspots anyway.

On the same note, why no clearomizers etc. with mesh wicks? I see people modding clearomizers to use mesh wicks themselves, again why not sell them like this commercially? Or some enterprising member rewick a few boxes of vivi nova or t3 heads with mesh and sell them at a markup?

Making a ss mesh wick is more time consuming than wrapping some wire around a silica wick.

 

[SteveW]

I don't really understand the point of a prebuilt /rebuildable atomizer? By design, it is manufactured so that the owner can relatively simply build their own atomizer. Huge range of flexibility and options to find out what suits you best. U wicks, cotton wicks, bamboo, steel, hemp, silica, SS mesh and now ceramics. Coils can be made to whatever resistance suits. Gennys are made for those who build, pre-made setups are for those who don't.

 

[Rule62]

Buying a pre built Genny would be like buying a model airplane that's already built.

 

[SteveW]

Buying a pre built Genny would be like buying a model airplane that's already built.

Nailed it Rule. A much better way to put it!

 

[donnah]

The whole reason I choose the zap was that it came prebuilt with prerolled and oxidized wicks. It also has a video of the maker himself, showing in detail, step by step, how to set it up again when it needs it. I know the wick is skinny and the draw is too airy for some people but I've really enjoyed my stock setup and have used it thus so since I received it. I think it's a great "beginner" rba because of this, plus, if the buyer doesn't like it, it will sell pretty easy in the classys. That was my plan, if I didn't like it, I was going to sell it for a discount.

But I do like it and I'm ready to take out the insulator and try a fatter wick and see how she vapes.

 

[SteveW]

The whole reason I choose the zap was that it came prebuilt with prerolled and oxidized wicks. It also has a video of the maker himself, showing in detail, step by step, how to set it up again when it needs it. . .

That is me as well with the ZAP. I found the stock wicks really ordinary and yeah, you can vape on it but I looked at that insulator changing color and tossed that plastic about 10 days after I got it. Tried coiling doubled up stock wicks without the insulator and that was much better and now I have a ceramic in there and it is superb for me. That is the real beauty of a rebuildable, the versatility which is only limited by your imagination and limitations/ availability of materials. For the adventurous it is a quest for ones own ultimate experience. Only rebuildables are designed for and offer that and if it just comes out of a box it is someone elses' idea of what that experience should be.

 

[kiwivap]

That is the real beauty of a rebuildable, the versatility which is only limited by your imagination and limitations/ availability of materials. For the adventurous it is a quest for ones own ultimate experience. Only rebuildables are designed for and offer that and if it just comes out of a box it is someone elses' idea of what that experience should be.

Just noticed you're downunder Steve. I like what you said there. I'm just using ss mesh and wrapping 34 awg kanthal for now - and that's keeping me happy. But I have looked at my atty and thought about what else I could do with it. I think I'd like to try a ceramic wick at some point. A bit put off the idea at the moment because from the vids I've watched and posts I've read they seem to break easily.

 

[SteveW]

Just noticed you're downunder Steve. I like what you said there. I'm just using ss mesh and wrapping 34 awg kanthal for now - and that's keeping me happy. But I have looked at my atty and thought about what else I could do with it. I think I'd like to try a ceramic wick at some point. A bit put off the idea at the moment because from the vids I've watched and posts I've read they seem to break easily.

Gidday mate! Are one of the few kiwis still living in NZ and not over here with us? . . .Yep the wicks do break. But if you are a little careful with it the experience is amazing. After using one for a week now I took a hit of the same juice in an AGA set up with SS mesh and it tasted BAD! When I used the stainless set up I didn't know any better, just no going back at this point, even if I bust a few. They are just amazing.

 

[kiwivap]

Gidday mate! Are one of the few kiwis still living in NZ and not over here with us? . . .Yep the wicks do break. But if you are a little careful with it the experience is amazing. After using one for a week now I took a hit of the same juice in an AGA set up with SS mesh and it tasted BAD! When I used the stainless set up I didn't know any better, just no going back at this point, even if I bust a few. They are just amazing.

Yeah. Some-one has to stay back and look after the sheep... Been over to Aus a few times in the last few years for short trips.
I'll stick with the ss for a while - I do fiddle with them and I can see myself busting ceramic wicks all over the place if I try them right now. But I do want to give them a go. I think they may be easier to coil from the looks too. If the flavor is even better than with ss it must be awesome!

 

[Rule62]

The whole reason I choose the zap was that it came prebuilt with prerolled and oxidized wicks. It also has a video of the maker himself, showing in detail, step by step, how to set it up again when it needs it. I know the wick is skinny and the draw is too airy for some people but I've really enjoyed my stock setup and have used it thus so since I received it. I think it's a great "beginner" rba because of this, plus, if the buyer doesn't like it, it will sell pretty easy in the classys. That was my plan, if I didn't like it, I was going to sell it for a discount.

But I do like it and I'm ready to take out the insulator and try a fatter wick and see how she vapes.

The fact that the ZAP arrived with a pre built wick and coil was a nice added bonus; especially since they work, right out of the box. But I'd have bought one anyway, even if they didn't come pre built. I've rebuilt them a couple times, because, being the ham fisted clod that I am sometimes, I keep crashing into the coil when I take the cap off.

 

[donnah]

The fact that the ZAP arrived with a pre built wick and coil was a nice added bonus; especially since they work, right out of the box. But I'd have bought one anyway, even if they didn't come pre built. I've rebuilt them a couple times, because, being the ham fisted clod that I am sometimes, I keep crashing into the coil when I take the cap off.

I rebuilt my zap... I combined 2 of the included wicks and used 30g for a reading of 1.6ohms. OMG! So much better than the setup that came on it! with the insulator out and the larger wick(s) the draw seems tighter and the vape is much "fuller" I also am getting better wicking.. as long as the wick is in the juice, it wicks.. I no longer have to vape it like I'm drinking something LOL.

The stock setup was great to learn on though.

 

[SteveW]

I rebuilt my zap... I combined 2 of the included wicks and used 30g for a reading of 1.6ohms. OMG! So much better than the setup that came on it! with the insulator out and the larger wick(s) the draw seems tighter and the vape is much "fuller" I also am getting better wicking.. as long as the wick is in the juice, it wicks.. I no longer have to vape it like I'm drinking something LOL. The stock setup was great to learn on though.

It is a big improvement isn't it? At one stage I was going to see if 3 would fit but then the ceramic arrived and off I went in a different direction.

 

[donnah]

It is a big improvement isn't it? At one stage I was going to see if 3 would fit but then the ceramic arrived and off I went in a different direction.

"big improvement" is an understatement! It's like night and day! I don't feel like I'm going to hyperventilate while using it anymore LOL. Much more vapor and much more pronounced flavor. I hate that I waited so long. I'm glad to be able to use the included wicks.

I'm watching the ceramic wick thing... they seem too fragile right now. I'd hate to spend money only to have them snap in two while trying to get them set up.

 

[vapdivrr]

i know you guys are saying, "hey get out of here and go back to the ceramic thread", but i have to say that i just recieved the bigger 1/8 ceramic wicks, and they are very sturdy indeed compared to the much smaller 3/32 ones. unfortunatly if you have a device that will only fit the 3/32 wicks, then yes you do need to be a little carefull.

 

[Baditude]

I was just now researching vendors that sell wire and mesh, and found at least a couple of vendors who sell pre-rolled stainless steel mesh wicks and several that sell pre-made coils.

For me, the toughest part of setting up a RBA is the wick part. I just received 5 pre-rolled, partially oxidized stainless steel mesh wicks, and am about to wrap a new coil on one to test it out.

So yes, the industry is responding to those of us who like things that can work right out-of-the-box. I'm very interested to see readily available ceramic wicks come on the market.

Depending upon how the FDA rulings go, supply and demand for previously common and readily available juice delivery devices may suddenly disappear in a panic. Wire, silica wicks, and stainless steel mesh are relatively common items if you know of sources to find them. That's one of the reasons I chose to get my feet wet in rebuildables should those delivery devices disappear for sale.

The batteries that we use in our APV's are also used in other devices, so those should always be readily available.

Vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and flavorings are easy enough to purchase to make your own e-liquid should FDA rulings put a clamp on e-liquid manufacturers. Nicotine in liquid form could be another matter all together, but if worse came to worse, at least I will still have the hand-to-mouth ritual and the sensation of vapor in my throat/lungs that my APV's can provide me even if the vapor has no nicotine.