Where can one buy direct a wire welder.

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Your nearest hydrogen bomb.
I don't know what's scarier, chance of getting zapped, or chance of getting a heart attack.
Good point, this device (it's an electronic device and NOT an e-cig or a tank) doesn't comply to US and EU regulations (CE, FCC, TUV etc etc) It's illegal to sell especially in the US.

I wouldn't worry about getting zapped, just be careful with it.. I'm pretty sure you'd have to touch both of the probes relatively close together on your skin anyway (don't quote me on that)
What do you mean by heart attack? It's not a defibrillator :lol:
What if you have a pacemaker? What if it disrupts medical equipment? What if you KILL someone else? How sure are you exactly that it complies to FCC standards since it has nothing?
Not to mention beeing sold without taxes.
 

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Your nearest hydrogen bomb.
Yes really.
Those are electronic devices and need to be certified regardless of what you and i think of. You should know that since you live in the states were all devices are certified by the FCC and other organizations.
Yes You can KILL with a device.
Who guarantees that the li-ion inside won't catch on fire? It has an integrated charger/monitor inside.
Let's suppose this device catches on fire and burns a house killing one person or a family. WHO you will blame? What do you have? Is there a company? You have only one email address.
This is not one e-cig, this is an electronic spot welder, one electronic device.
 

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Well your other post made it seem like I would be shocking poor elderly people with pacemakers to death with the device.
I understand your concerns, and I'm also not worried about burning my house down. I don't keep the battery in the device when it's not in use. I don't like leaving batteries in any device. Even cellphone batteries have been known to explode and catch fire, so I absolutely get that.

People who venture into this area, even ecigs alone (especially after the news a while back of someone getting a battery exploded in their face) have a responsibility to use common sense.
People will find a way to misuse anything and hurt themselves, electric device or not.

There are a bunch of these devices out there, and even plans to make your own, the Tsaf is a very popular one and Manolis (the creator) is pretty well known in the community and I trust his ability to make a device that does not spontaneously catch fire, especially after doing my research and watching reviews and asking other owners and himself about it.

And I do understand that things like this being sold en masse should be looked over and inspected and regulated, that's definitely a good idea.
I'm just saying, I'm not piloting the controls of Chernobyl over here. I have common sense and I respect the dangers of using this device and e-cigs in general.

You can buy tasers and other dangerous devices (those powerful laser pointers for example) online as well, but it's up to the buyer to use it responsibly.
 

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trit is not wrong here to my opinion. Most modders doesnt know almost anything about e-cigs, they just copy others but they dont know what they copy exactly and the result is a dangerous device. But even a very serious modder doesnt always have the time to test his devices, doesnt always have the time to see the risks. And be sure that I am not putting myself out of this statement.

vaping on a modder's device is a risk. Vaping on new devices that come up in China every 1 week is a risk. Vaping on a device that comes from a factory that did a lot of research, makes dangers much less
 

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Your nearest hydrogen bomb.
But even a very serious modder doesnt always have the time to test his devices, doesnt always have the time to see the risks.

Certifications do not rely on personal testing unless you are Siemens, AEG, or some other big company with serious test facilities.
In order to be certified you have to pay thousands of dollars in EU to be certified and in US even worse by the patent office, FCC and others.
Even ALL electronic cigarettes can be defined as illegal in one night and that is my concern. Chinese products only have a China Export sign not even the real EU CE.
It's not about modders etc. If somebody wants he has 90% to get a product off the market just by filing a complaint.
I'm not sure however if mechanical mods or tanks or other non electronic devices need these certifications. Probably they are a lot easier to pass.
 

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Everything has its risks trit and I think that electronic e-cigs have great risks.

1. battery explotion (most mods had and still have front holes, or they have holes that will bring gas to your face)
2. no way to see if you have a short
3. health issues from metals that are used in inapropriate positions
4. Health issues from inapropriate wicking materials
5. no locking button on some devices so you can get burned
6. bad threads, so in a case of explotion the part that is not well made will hit the person near you with big force


I cant think of something else right now but as you see the risks are much greater than many other devices that we use on home or we carry with us

Be sure that most mods will not pass the tests (if there were serious tests)
 

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Hey how did this get to e-cig mod safety I am just looking for a wire welder I have plans for one and will build it next week. Ill be careful honest I have been twisting wire for two years almost everyday have learned new ways of doing it from bishop and many others. I would like to try this out experiment maybe improve its design add some more features. I am sure if Imeo hadn't felt this way about e-cig's a long time ago we wouldn't have his great products today. That's all!
 

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Your nearest hydrogen bomb.
Everything has its risks trit and I think that electronic e-cigs have great risks.

1. battery explotion (most mods had and still have front holes, or they have holes that will bring gas to your face)
2. no way to see if you have a short
3. health issues from metals that are used in inapropriate positions
4. Health issues from inapropriate wicking materials
5. no locking button on some devices so you can get burned
6. bad threads, so in a case of explotion the part that is not well made will hit the person near you with big force


I cant think of something else right now but as you see the risks are much greater than many other devices that we use on home or we carry with us

Be sure that most mods will not pass the tests (if there were serious tests)

You are absolutely right φίλε μου but even mods with correct holes can prevent an explosion but not fire.
There are things to consider that's for sure but i believe in time many things will be invented to prevent and protect.
Btw something funny.
You know the 2cents safety fuses? They aren't certified too LOL. Irony
 

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My wire welder left Croatia and then went missing in the postal system. Openning an investigation. Lame system.

On safety... Electrical industry considers 50mA dc to be all the current needed to stop a healthy heart. Even though this is small it's not likely to happen with small batteries. Capacitors are more scary because they don't have the internal resistance and discharge rapidly. Still not likely to kill anyone on these wire welders since we are talking small values. But If you made effort to salt water your hands and contact neg w/ one hand and pos to the other - well I wouldn't try it.

Also one must consider that, on a capacitive device, it's possible to carry charge in the absence of a battery. Capacitors must be discharged to be stored safely - BASIC FACT.
 

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Same experience with the zapper. I'm thinking of trying soldering with silver NR.

Guys the zapper is driving me crazy. Mev where are you lol. OK so I'm trying a very basic join. Nickel 32 with nichrome 32. I even connected the clips with a multimeter. Completely random. It takes me an hour to have 1 join. What is the voltage that should be reached for these wires.
 

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Guys the zapper is driving me crazy. Mev where are you lol. OK so I'm trying a very basic join. Nickel 32 with nichrome 32. I even connected the clips with a multimeter. Completely random. It takes me an hour to have 1 join. What is the voltage that should be reached for these wires.

I join 32 at 60v with my device. Try giving the wire ends a quick swipe with fine sandpaper first.
 
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