Where is vaping going?

[MacTechVpr]

My 2c...
I tried the cigalikes
I tried the bigger version cigalikes

Nothing worked for a looong time.

Then i found ego and the aio range, along with kanger and the topboxes

These helped.

But none gave me the right kick.

Then i found a diyer who made me 24 nic juice

That 4did the trick, along with max vg juice.

From there, i went to cloudbeasts and mods

I am also on max vg with 12mg juices at the moment.

Tbh, if a cigalike works for you, great.

For me, the world of mods and big tanks, big clouds nd the right juices were the trick.

You are just different to me, what works for you, does not work for me.




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There are ways to achieve nic, cloud, flavor density kicks…precisely, for virtually any device. The truth is out there. I've made a few that do.

Good luck and HNY.

 

[tj99959]

Well I figured out where vaping is going.

In my mail box today were 4 brand new HG2 batteries. (from Liion) Actually like "stamped" into the plastic wrapper it says:
"CAUTION
Use for battery pack maker(s) system intergrator(s)only.
On-line e-commerce sales,sales to individual consumers,
or sales for E-cigarette use are strictly prohibited."

Guess that means CYA when selling batteries.

 

[Mandro]

I've had this set up for about 3 1/2 yrs now and it's been my work mod. I've dropped it a few times from height but it's built like a small (14500 size) tank
It's a Sturm V2 mod with a Sturm pandora.

It's no real help because there not available any more.

 

[Phil P]

I've had this set up for about 3 1/2 yrs now and it's been my work mod. I've dropped it a few times from height but it's built like a small (14500 size) tank
It's a Sturm V2 mod with a Sturm pandora.
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It's no real help because there not available any more.

Sure looks good though.


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[Joeteboe]

I don't understand how we have got to wherever we are today.

I started vaping to get me off the cigarettes almost 3 years ago and haven't looked back since.

Believe it or not i think that the gear that was out back then was the reason I was able to transition from those horrible stinky,s to vaping so easily. Back then most of the gear on the market was lung to mouth gear, just like a cigarette.

Now days mouth to lung gear seem to be in the minority and the choice of small devices and atty,s is limited.

What I don't understand is how a wide open direct lung air flow and sub ohm coils with devices with 2, 3 & 4 18650's hitting huge wattage creating huge clouds in any way simulates a cigarette.

And the bloody size of atty's and devices these days. I think a 22mm device is big but now every thing coming out seem to be 24-30mm.

I love my 14500 17-18mm devices but they seem to be more and more difficult to get hold of.

I think if I started vaping now with the exception of the innokin endura I would struggle to satisfy what I am looking for in a vape, a nice tight mouth to lung air flow like a cigarette with a nice warm flavoursome vape in a nice compact form.

Now before you guys start listening of gear, I know that there is gear like that out there but I bet I could create a list 10 times as big for the gear I am talking about.

To me the whole seen is just becoming a little bit childish (no offence to anyone intended) with big clouds stupid wattages massive devices. And cloud comps

I met a couple of new vapers recently and both had been sold high wattage low ohm direct to lung devices with low nic liquid as starter kits. Both had confessed that they still smoke cigarettes as their devices didn't quite give them the same hit as a cigarette.

Now I bet if they had been sold something like the innokin endura with a higher nic liquid they wouldn't be going back to their cigarettes now and again.

I just think that the way the seen ( and the manufacturers and venders) are going is really damaging to vaping in general. I have lost count how many times I've seen someone driving with clouds and clouds of vapor pouring out the the car. How do they even see where they are going.

To me vaping is about that cigarette sensation ( but with a far better flavour) not blowing massive clouds.

If you want the world health to take vaping seriously make more cigarette sessions devices not fog machines. Or big tobacco will do and are doing just that.

I don't want to offend anyone with my views and if you blow clouds and it keeps you off the stinky's then brilliant but I hope you can see my point.






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You can't see it but I'm standing and clapping for you right now. I've thought much the same but you concisely and eloquently laid it out in words. Kudos sir, kudos.

I also started 3 years ago. I bought a Kanger evod pen with some 18mg juice. Tiny little vv pen. Dual nano coil heads coming in at 1.8 ohms. Nice restricted air flow for great m2l hits, same type of pull as through a cig filter. It simulated a cigarette perfectly for me to never look back. I've since upgraded my hardware to goon dripper and dna200 mod but I had to work up to that level. When my friends that still smoke see me with that set up, they are not only intimidated by the amount of know-how that goes into my set up, but are also asking me how they are supposed to simulate cigarettes as they blow out obscene amounts of hot vapor from a low ohm build when they try.

 

[coolerat]

Yesterday I'm driving home from work in a fresh foot of snow. Just like the foot we got the day before. And the feet that came before and the feet we have yet to come. God I hope Summer happens on a weekend this year.

Anyhoo I'm looking around from the window of my V8 powered pickup at all the other pickups and SUV's on the road. See a car here and again.

Drive by the Chevy dealer looking at the Z71's and knowing its nearly time to put the old girl down. Row after row after row of nice new pickups. Maybe a couple cars.

Y all know why dealers stock row after row of pickups and SUV's and very few cars?? Cause they are in business to make money. They stock what sells. If a market for cars appears then overnite as if by magic those same lots would be full of cars.

Vape shops have to follow the same laws of business. They are there for no other reason then to make money.

Its worth pointing out that for the time being at least anyone is free to open a vape shop, or car dealer, and stock it with only items that fit with there world view.

 

[Eskie]

Yesterday I'm driving home from work in a fresh foot of snow. Just like the foot we got the day before. And the feet that came before and the feet we have yet to come. God I hope Summer happens on a weekend this year.

Anyhoo I'm looking around from the window of my V8 powered pickup at all the other pickups and SUV's on the road. See a car here and again.

Drive by the Chevy dealer looking at the Z71's and knowing its nearly time to put the old girl down. Row after row after row of nice new pickups. Maybe a couple cars.

Y all know why dealers stock row after row of pickups and SUV's and very few cars?? Cause they are in business to make money. They stock what sells. If a market for cars appears then overnite as if by magic those same lots would be full of cars.

Vape shops have to follow the same laws of business. They are there for no other reason then to make money.

Its worth pointing out that for the time being at least anyone is free to open a vape shop, or car dealer, and stock it with only items that fit with there world view.

That inventory is only because gas is so cheap by historical standards. If When we return to the days of $6 a gallon for gas (allowing for inflation) then the 4 cylinders and hybrids will be flying out the door and those SUVs and pickups will be sitting forlornly on some dock waiting to be shipped to the Middle East. Sorta like what may happen when even cheap vape juice goes up to $40 for a 30 ml bottle due to taxes and regulations. Then mtl will be cool again. Unless you mix your own of course.

 

[coolerat]

That inventory is only because gas is so cheap by historical standards. If When we return to the days of $6 a gallon for gas (allowing for inflation) then the 4 cylinders and hybrids will be flying out the door and those SUVs and pickups will be sitting forlornly on some dock waiting to be shipped to the Middle East. Sorta like what may happen when even cheap vape juice goes up to $40 for a 30 ml bottle due to taxes and regulations. Then mtl will be cool again. Unless you mix your own of course.

MTL never was kewl. Fine for old people but I'm only 50 so waaaaaaaaaaaay to young to be looking for a nursing home, tootle puffing and picking where I want to be buried.

I quit a 2-4 PAD 36 year habit with high power multi battery low ohm MONSTERS. When I quit, 2 years ago today, I could barely breath. Now I hit the gym everyday and let them cloudz RIP!!!!!!

 

[Acer50]

I tend to agree with PhilP when vaping was just a simulation of smoking and the vape clouds no bigger than what was released by a cigarette smoker. There was no problem of vaping in areas where cigarettes were banned.

What has now brought about vaping bans in a lot of areas are inconsiderate vapers blowing humongous clouds that upset the non smoking and non vaping people. When if ever did cigarettes, cigars and pipes that used tobacco ever generate the smoke clouds that current day fog machine vapes produce?

The cool to be a fool generation of vapers have themselves to blame for vaping bans at many former venues where it was allowed.

When I go out in public I still use my discrete vape in my case the Ego II type pen or the Eleaf Icare Mini. No one bats an eyelid as there is very little passive smell or cloud and the nic hit for me is sufficient. I have also have gone over to the use of Snuff where vaping is totally prohibited. I did not like reverting back to tobacco products but at least snuff is a lot safer and does not offer any passive smoke or vape cloud that seems to peeve people.

 

[vapdivrr]

No, it's an A7 (RDA) (but a mini)

My be wrong but I thought the a-7 was a clone maybe of the Phoenix or visa versa?

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[coolerat]

I tend to agree with PhilP when vaping was just a simulation of smoking and the vape clouds no bigger than what was released by a cigarette smoker. There was no problem of vaping in areas where cigarettes were banned.

What has now brought about vaping bans in a lot of areas are inconsiderate vapers blowing humongous clouds that upset the non smoking and non vaping people. When if ever did cigarettes, cigars and pipes that used tobacco ever generate the smoke clouds that current day fog machine vapes produce?

The cool to be a fool generation of vapers have themselves to blame for vaping bans at many former venues where it was allowed.

When I go out in public I still use my discrete vape in my case the Ego II type pen or the Eleaf Icare Mini. No one bats an eyelid as there is very little passive smell or cloud and the nic hit for me is sufficient. I have also have gone over to the use of Snuff where vaping is totally prohibited. I did not like reverting back to tobacco products but at least snuff is a lot safer and does not offer any passive smoke or vape cloud that seems to peeve people.

Odd time line for your bans.

Only a few places here where vaping is banned and nothing new in at least 5 years.

So at the time of the local vaping bans the Provape 1 was still the monster cloud chucker.

Now you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a 20W++++ vaper and nothing new has been added to the ban list.

 

[Acer50]

Odd time line for your bans.

Only a few places here where vaping is banned and nothing new in at least 5 years.

So at the time of the local vaping bans the Provape 1 was still the monster cloud chucker.

Now you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a 20W++++ vaper and nothing new has been added to the ban list.

I speak of vape bans in my country of Australia, what and when they banned vapes in other countries and the time line I do not know. There has been a lot of venues in Australia that have started banning vape users in the last 12 months. I did ask one bar that I frequent as to why management imposed the ban, and it was for reasons as I stated in the previous posts. Patrons did not appreciate enjoying their drinks in fog clouds.

 

[Eskie]

I tend to agree with PhilP when vaping was just a simulation of smoking and the vape clouds no bigger than what was released by a cigarette smoker. There was no problem of vaping in areas where cigarettes were banned.

What has now brought about vaping bans in a lot of areas are inconsiderate vapers blowing humongous clouds that upset the non smoking and non vaping people. When if ever did cigarettes, cigars and pipes that used tobacco ever generate the smoke clouds that current day fog machine vapes produce?

Oh, I can assure you that up until 20 years ago (trying to be real generous and figuring this by age) if you went into a bar or club in NY there was plenty of heavy cigarette smoke to contend with. At times even a bit much for me and I smoked a pack and a half a day. Bans began with the dining areas of restaurants, first with designated areas, then only at the bar. Of course they continued to advance until our current situation of no anything just about wherever you go.

I'm not sure if it was the fault of "inconsiderate vapers", although I do agree the mere appearance of a smoky something will bring out the cries of attempted mass murder from all the non-vapers present. There has been more than sufficient negative coverage about vaping in the US media that non-smokers and even smokers have concerns about its potential harm.

However, even in areas where vaping is restricted, if one uses a stealthy mtl device (preferably doesn't look too "vapelike" either) and a minimal exhale, you can easily pass unnoticed in many locations. Unfortunately, sitting at a table in a crowded restaurant is not one of them.

 

[Acer50]

Oh, I can assure you that up until 20 years ago (trying to be real generous and figuring this by age) if you went into a bar or club in NY there was plenty of heavy cigarette smoke to contend with. At times even a bit much for me and I smoked a pack and a half a day. Bans began with the dining areas of restaurants, first with designated areas, then only at the bar. Of course they continued to advance until our current situation of no anything just about wherever you go.

I'm not sure if it was the fault of "inconsiderate vapers", although I do agree the mere appearance of a smoky something will bring out the cries of attempted mass murder from all the non-vapers present. There has been more than sufficient negative coverage about vaping in the US media that non-smokers and even smokers have concerns about its potential harm.

However, even in areas where vaping is restricted, if one uses a stealthy mtl device (preferably doesn't look too "vapelike" either) and a minimal exhale, you can easily pass unnoticed in many locations. Unfortunately, sitting at a table in a crowded restaurant is not one of them.

Hi Eskie,
Yup in full agreement. One reason I switched to snuff. I use what is known as a nasal bullet. I have a sniff where ever I am get my nic hit blow my nose on my handkerchief or tissue and no one is none the wiser. I did have a giggle last week though. I was vaping my ijoy rtda box mod in my car mind you at the time I was stationary at a red light so I decided to take a toot.


A Cop was behing me, the lights went green and I proceeded to drive off. The cop pulled me over and accused me of using a mobile phone whilst driving. I had three people in the car..all vapers. There was no mobile ph in sight in the front seats or dash board of the vehicle.

I asked the officer what color was the phone and the cop pointed to my vape sitting in the drink holder. I handed the vape to the cop and asked him to try to make a phone call with my vape which by the way is no bigger than a fruit juice carton.

I then told the officer that there was no requlation in existence that prevented me from taking a swig of juice or a puff of my vape whist stationary at a red light. One of my passenders pulled out his mobile phone and engaged the video recorder. The cop drove off peeved....Rofl....

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[Eskie]

A Cop was behing me, the lights went green and I proceeded to drive off. The cop pulled me over and accused me of using a mobile phone whilst driving. I had three people in the car..all vapers. There was no mobile ph in sight in the front seats or dash board of the vehicle.

I asked the officer what color was the phone and the cop pointed to my vape sitting in the drink holder. I handed the vape to the cop and asked him to try to make a phone call with my vape which by the way is no bigger than a fruit juice carton.

I then told the officer that there was no requlation in existence that prevented me from taking a swig of juice or a puff of my vape whist stationary at a red light. One of my passenders pulled out his mobile phone and engaged the video recorder. The cop drove off peeved....Rofl....

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Hah. Good thing you didn't try to prove your point by blowing a cloud in his face. You could have been arrested for attempted assault on a police officer.

 

[Acer50]

No am a mature age citizen and do not engage in bear baiting. One can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. The fact that one of my passengers was video recording the matter was enough of a laugh for me and the bear was not happy.

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[sofarsogood]

Clouds give the public the perception that if there's no visible vapor there's no vaping. If the device is small enough to conceal in a hand, if there is no visible vapor, and if I behave as though I don't want to be noticed, very few people notice and if they do there's no reaction. May be the cloud people make things easier for the rest of us.

 

[sketchness]

Yep OP you are right there is a dearth of smaller diameter rebuildables. Those still making such a device are making back their investment based on high price and not quantity.

The amount of negativity on this thread towards others sucks.

With the push toward rebuildables the mass market people almost have to pump out new products to stay in business. I have enough wick, wire, and rayon to never need another device. So there must be new things to entice me, and move their products. From a vape shop perspective I need people to keep coming back to buy juice and coils, or I must cater to "other" activities. Unless I want to close up shop. Product consumables keep these places open. It is just business.

On my personal journey I would have saved a bunch of cash if I had been sold a subohm device initially. Learned a bunch through trial & error$ in less than a month and a bit of Google fu which led me here.

My 2017 resolution is to judge less those that do things differently than myself.

 

[motordude]

My 2017 resolution is to judge less those that do things differently than myself.

That my friend might get you banned from here.

 

[kbeam418]

Hah. Good thing you didn't try to prove your point by blowing a cloud in his face. You could have been arrested for attempted assault on a police officer.

I did that a couple of weeks ago... By accident. Of course my dad and I were intoxicated so me blowing a cloud was the least of the cops concerns. BTW we didn't get arrested or have a fine.