Interesting you mention hospitals @coolerat my partner also works at our major hospital and I have the dubious pleasure to driving her to and from work. There is no smoking permitted on any part of the hospital campus be it indoor our out. Where I drop her off at the staff entrance which is on hospital property and thus hospital campus the number of people standing there smoking and I have seen a few vapers including myself and I might add their security people is staggering and no one gives a moot. I am starting to think that the no smoking signs on the walls of the property are there for decoration
Let me get this straight.
It's not allowed.
And the penalty for being caught is a ban?
I may need an explanation of the definition of what a ban is.
Tapatyped
Let's be honest, the point of stealth vaping is that who ever is doing it knowingly decided that the no ecig rule is there and ignored it, because of course it can't apply to them. It's not that it doesn't bother other people, maybe it does and they just don't complain. It's not that those rules are unfair, they are unfair, but they are still the rules. It's not even that people do much worse things all the time, they do. It's the fact that the person stealth vaping does so intending to violate that rule, law, what ever because they simply don't care. That stealth vaper thinks they are above the rules. The same rules i have to follow in stores, malls, theaters, restaurants, jobs etc. That's why, even as a vaper, i call them out when i see it happening. I've even been known to turn them in to management security etc. If they say don't do it, then don't do it no matter how "stealthy" you think you are.
Why do you care so much about someone else following the rules? How does someone breaking the rules effect your or anybody else's ability to follow the rules? It puts vapers in a bad light and by extension makes you equally a bad person? Guilt is a horrible thing to waste.
Why shouldn't you care? You really think by you breaking the rules they are going to change? I care because it hurts those who do follow the rules. Why should these places relax or do away with these rules, if no one follows them anyway. Breaking them only helps those who seek to regulate and ban us out of existence. Enough people and businesses complaining about it only leads to more enforcement, stiffer penalties. Today, you get asked to leave. Tomorrow maybe you get a fine. Is stealth vaping really worth hundreds in fines and court costs? And before you say that can't happen, the city council where i live already has that up for a vote. If it passes, anyone caught smoking (they include ecigs in that) inside any business, within 15 ft of any business, or on any city owned property excluding sidewalks gets a $250 fine plus court cost for the 1st offense. So yes, i care if people follow the rules. Because other people breaking the rules does affect me.
I vape in bars. I vape in local b&ms. I vape when i take my kids to the park. So yes, that would affect me. Evidence? Such as what? Only the fact that i attend the council meetings and get to listen to the business owners complain about "people smoking e-cigarettes".
I like where vaping is now, you have choices, you can buy juices, you can make juices, you can sub ohm high mg and take 2-3 hits an hr or go low nic and do 200 hits an hr, you can do low ohms dual coils high wattages or you can do high ohms, single or dual coils at low wattage, the vape now is more user friendly for tinkerig around than it is back then, cheaper now too with all these new rta and rdta and rdas, back then i had to blow $20 every month on coils and limited to 8 watts, now if i feel like getting a nic hit i add more nic and vape away, if i wana quit altogether, i can do it anytime, as my self control and willpower is enough to tell any friends who offer me cigs "no", they stop offering me now
^^^^This. As a "firearms hobbiest" I hear from many fellow gunowners that although a business may have a sign clearly posted stating that firearms are not allowed on their property, they will ignore it and simply carry concealed. Whether it is vaping, or carrying concealed, it is a lack of respect towards the property owner (business or personal) when someone intentionally ignores the rules because they believe it is not effecting anyone, or they don't agree with the rules to begin with. Bottom line is, you can do as you please....when it is YOUR property.I owned my own company for a lot of years, and I set the rules. How about that for a reason not to stealth vape if I said not to?
There were plenty of places on the premises where smoking was allowed, but if someone so much as took a cookie into one of the clean arias they got their .... kicked to the curb.
You simply do not smoke, vape (or eat cookies) in one of these!
or one of these
and if you smoked/vaped in here you would get fired right after being released from an emergency care center.
I try to judge situations. If open vaping is going to cause me issues, I won't do it. If open vaping won't be a bother, or may spark conversations, I'll do it. Neither clouds nor stealth vaping exposes bystanders to any health risks that we know of, I don't think hiding will help get that message across, but neither will being obnoxious.
