Where is your juice REALLY comming from?

[RubenX]

After looking at all these adds from suppliers saying their juices are USA made, I'm curious as per what they really mean. USA made kinda implies that every process of manufacturing the juice has been performed in the US. Including:

* Extracting the nic
* Making the PG/VG
* Flavorings
* ETC

If the nic comes from china, or the VG/PG comes from china, then is not really USA Made, but rather USA mixed. Not that I really care (*puffs some Dekang SAM Mint*), but has to be said.

Other business go to great lengths to let consumers know where their ingredients come from. Some go as far as making commercials right from the farm, showing the actual cow that makes your milk (allegedly). It would be nice if suppliers could give more info about the stuff they use.

 

[Stownz]

Everyting is easily and cheaply sourced here in the states. No reason to import any of the ingredients from china. Only the suppliers that do not make their own juice import the dekang stuff with their orders.

 

[mwa102464]

Personally I believe all of this Nic is derived from China & Belgium, if not I would like for someone to tell me the place that is extracting it here in the USA. @ Stonz do you know where this place is ? I'm not talking about just buying from someone like Box Elder but an actual plant that is here in the USA extracting Nicotine ? I would love to know myself and have tried to find out before where this plant is ? anyone who knows of this plant here in the good old USA please inform me or all of us ?

 

[Bigfoot1974]

vaperite is claiming to have organic "house extracted" juices. I haven't tried it myself but its the only company that I've seen to make that claim.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I got to try some Vaperite tobacco juice this weekend and it was delicious! It tasted so fresh and light that it changed my mind about tobacco flavors.

 

[hairball]

vaporite is awesome. I love ther organic line. Very very tasty indeed.

 

[markfm]

Even then is the nic part of the extract? For instance, TV does their own tobacco, using maceration on the leaves, but I expect they still then use a nic base to hit the final mg/ml. Self-derived organic flavoring is not the same thing as US-derived nicotine.
(There's then, of course, a whole separate question of whether something is "better" for you just because it is local, organic. What the final chemical compounds are, that you are inhaling, is what matters, no matter how those chemicals were sourced. I can extract juice from poison ivy, doesn't mean you should vape it. Organic is not magic, end of the day you are inhaling chemicals.)

 

[RubenX]

Personally I believe all of this Nic is derived from China & Belgium, if not I would like for someone to tell me the place that is extracting it here in the USA. @ Stonz do you know where this place is ? I'm not talking about just buying from someone like Box Elder but an actual plant that is here in the USA extracting Nicotine ? I would love to know myself and have tried to find out before where this plant is ? anyone who knows of this plant here in the good old USA please inform me or all of us ?

That is exactly my point. Sellers just say "is USA made" and "everything is available locally" but... most places don't even have a store front, let alone a tobacco plantation. I highly doubt R.J. Reynolds is providing the nic. I would like to know where the nic comes from, where is being processed, etc. If its true that everything is of USA origin, then there should be no problem disclosing the details.

And again, even if you sale USA Made stuff I would probably go straight for the Dekang Sam Mint which is my main vape (I love that stuff). But if you say you have USA Made stuff you better be telling the truth. If you have Dekang Nic and mix it locally, then say is "USA MADE", e-cig haters will find out and make a sting about it... then everybody is gonna pay.

 

[mwa102464]

That is exactly my point. Sellers just say "is USA made" and "everything is available locally" but... most places don't even have a store front, let alone a tobacco plantation. I highly doubt R.J. Reynolds is providing the nic. I would like to know where the nic comes from, where is being processed, etc. If its true that everything is of USA origin, then there should be no problem disclosing the details.

And again, even if you sale USA Made stuff I would probably go straight for the Dekang Sam Mint which is my main vape (I love that stuff). But if you say you have USA Made stuff you better be telling the truth. If you have Dekang Nic and mix it locally, then say is "USA MADE", e-cig haters will find out and make a sting about it... then everybody is gonna pay.

RubenX,,, I have been asking this question for many moons now, know body has ever been able to give me an answer about Nic being Grown in fields here in the USA for the purpose of extraction for making Nic juice. I have spoken to some pretty intelligent people about this (no names mentioned) and from everything I have heard all this Nic juice is coming from the far far east = China along with Belgium. Lastly until someone shows me something different and proves they are getting there Nic juice right here in the good old USA I'n not falling for it. I understand even the pharmaceutical companies buy there juice from over seas, what they do to it once they get it may be a different story too, but for now I just don't buy into this thing about some of these juice makers stating its all USA sourced that's just a marketing scam or ploy to generate more sales and that's just not right if that's the bottom line.

Glad you have started this thread, maybe we will hear something other than what I think, would be great to know that some company is Growing and extracting Nic right here in the USA wouldn't it...!!

 

[Stownz]

Last thing anyone would want is some guy in his basement soaking tobaco leaves and extracting juice....

As in terms of the exact nicotine manufacturers here in the states, we are not supposed to say anything about where to source nicotine in that concentration. It breaks forum rules.

In any event, the facts about e-juice still remain:

1) None of them are a labratory. None of them can test the exact chemical make up of anything they sell you. They trust their suppliers, and you trust them. Its all based on trust right now.

2)At least china has pics of their labs, real or not. Would be fascinating for yall to see half the "labs" these guys mixing your juice are using...

3)Regardless of the exact chemical make up of the juice you are buying, it has to be better then smoking analogs.

4)Nicotine, and it extraction methods, are the least of my worries. Its the chemical make-up of the flavoring they are using. You never know what they throw in their mix to make it "special" and different from everyone elses. Its all based on trust with no pics, and no lab reports. Nicotine and titration have been tested, even by the FDA, from the cartridges from China. We all seen the reports on what they found there. Your flavorings from your local favorite juice website have nothing.

5) Again, it is against the rules to post the source of nicotine concentrations higher then like 36mg/ml (not sure, but its low). But it is not hard to find.

 

[vapi]

I could be wrong but after doing some research, nicotine solution is made from nicotine bitartrate powder, and I found a company in India that manufactures it. Nicotine sulfate-alkaloid -bitartrate dihydrate, nicotine polacrilex usp/ep, cotinine, cuprous chloride, potassium nitrite manufacture by BGP™ group

 

[RubenX]

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As in terms of the exact nicotine manufacturers here in the states, we are not supposed to say anything about where to source nicotine in that concentration. It breaks forum rules.
...

Therefore, saying is USA Made break the rules?

 

[vapi]

Oh joy, another infraction for me, maybe. But at least I found an answer.

 

[vapi]

It's the only one that complies with USFDA and if it's powder then it can be turned into liquid in USA making it made in USA also, but it's really dangerous, hence the forum rule maybe. Either way I'll take a hit for the team.

 

[VanderVape]

The question is when is one of the suppliers going to have their juices tested? Doesn't seem like anyone is saying "I just sent this and that off to be tested and will post the results when I get them."

 

[mwa102464]

Last thing anyone would want is some guy in his basement soaking tobaco leaves and extracting juice....

As in terms of the exact nicotine manufacturers here in the states, we are not supposed to say anything about where to source nicotine in that concentration. It breaks forum rules.

In any event, the facts about e-juice still remain:

1) None of them are a labratory. None of them can test the exact chemical make up of anything they sell you. They trust their suppliers, and you trust them. Its all based on trust right now.

2)At least china has pics of their labs, real or not. Would be fascinating for yall to see half the "labs" these guys mixing your juice are using...

3)Regardless of the exact chemical make up of the juice you are buying, it has to be better then smoking analogs.

4)Nicotine, and it extraction methods, are the least of my worries. Its the chemical make-up of the flavoring they are using. You never know what they throw in their mix to make it "special" and different from everyone elses. Its all based on trust with no pics, and no lab reports. Nicotine and titration have been tested, even by the FDA, from the cartridges from China. We all seen the reports on what they found there. Your flavorings from your local favorite juice website have nothing.

5) Again, it is against the rules to post the source of nicotine concentrations higher then like 36mg/ml (not sure, but its low). But it is not hard to find.

Stownz, this clearly doesn't answer the question, and not for nothing but I dont think you have the answer or you could post a supplier on the forum. No body has come up with an answer so it tells me that base Nic is sourced from China. I happen to buy from a great supplier who also sells to many of the bigger mixing houses that everyone buys juice from, his Nic is sourced from China and it's the best I have been able to get my hands on at any MG from 10 to ? as high as you want. no body has to post what MG they sell on the forum but only who is manufacturing Nic here in the states if there is anyone, which still I don't believe there is, heck there probably isnt even enough grown here in the states to handle this process either but again if you or anyone knows where there is a Nic manufacturer here in the good old USA please let us all know, NO ANSWERS AS OF YET THERE RUBENX ? This is telling me something, You ???

 

[earthpig]

Likewise I buy the nic isn't of concern. The concentrations?.yes! But with companies like Johnson Creek and their lab quality, I trust what they sell me.
It's the flavors which are the most questionable ingredient in e-juice. So many variations and little known of them. I even heard of bacon???
Nicotine is basic. FDA and other sources have tested it in e-juice for everything under the sun, including the dreaded nitrocymine(sp. way off, I know) which is at nic gum levels, or 100-1000th the level of cigs. That is the only suspected (and even that is well below even FDA levels even in real cigs) ingredient of concern. So I think the fears are somewhat unfounded.
Yes it would be good to know where everything comes from, but pick your battles... the flavorings.

Where is most tobacco grown? I would imagine there is your source for the most part. Wether we (USA) send out our tobacco leaves for processing is an unknown I guess.

Remember , we were (are) smokers, so by comparison this is a non starter.

Pig.

 

[RubenX]

Yup... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to google for nicotine suppliers. We all know where they are and many buy directly from them. The point is that if is not "USA MADE", is not "USA MADE", period. And again, I don't personally care as I always go straight for that tasty Dekang SAM Mint.

From the Wiki:

"The Made in USA mark is a country of origin label indicating the product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The label is regulated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC)."

There ARE some legal requirements and some specific laws about calling your product "USA MADE".

 

[DC2]

Most of the time "USA MADE" means nothing more than "mixed here in the United States".

 

[vapi]

Most of the time "USA MADE" means nothing more than "mixed here in the United States".

That's what I think. Just like how 'omega-3 eggs' or 'free range eggs' (I never buy organic either) aren't regulated, just a label to make the consumer feel less conscious about the process.

Ruben, what are those legal requirements and why aren't they applied to the food examples I gave? You'd think it's going to be enforced with food first and it isn't.