Wheres the flavor richness ?

[Str8V8ping]

I keep thinking i must be doing something wrong . No matter what flavor i try it just dont taste like vendors ejuice . How do you get tons of flavor like msTs or KBV juices . Those taste like the real thing . If i vape their candy bar it tastes just as rich and strong as a real candy bar .Candy bar just for example but all their flavors are strong and realistic . All the juices i have tried to DIY smell very strong like the real thing and do have some flavor but its like a watered down not to sweet flavor taste not a strong/rich/creamy realistic taste . Iv tried flavors from like every brand and know i must be doing something wrong . Iv even upped the pg and added cottoncandy or sweeter to some and nothing seems to help . If i use too much flavor what would it taste like? Would too much make it not taste strong ? I am using to little maybe ? Would should i look for in being too little flavoring vs too much flavoring ? Iv been mixing little by little adding more and more flavor a little at a time to see if i can get it to the strenth and yummyness of a vendors juice but even going over 30% sometimes it just dont get there . Is it possible that im using to little flavoring of each one ?For example if i use a flavor that needs to be around 20% but use two or three flavors in the juice do i make it 20% total or 20% of each flavoring . 20% just for example . Sorry for all the questions i just know something is not right . How do you get that vendor rich NOM NOM NOM goodness .

 

[Str8V8ping]

I went back to step one again . Took a 3ml bottle and filled with 15 drops vg and 5 drops pg . Then i added one drop of cookie and tested . Then added 1 drop of pg and another drop of cookie and tested . Then repeated again . I found right around the second drop of flavor tasted the best and richest . I have a feeling i have been going way overboard on the flavoring causing it to have no taste . 2 drops tasted much stronger than when i used 10 drops . Iv been mixing at 20% on up to like 40% trying to get some flavor but its looking like 5% is much better . Still not tons of flavor like a vendor but its much better than before and i can taste what the flavor is at least now . Does this make sense ? At first i was thinking the more the better as i like strong tasting bakery vapes .

That leads me to another question . Say i have a total of 10% flavor which is the one flavor where i find 10% best but now i want to add a second flavor . Would i use less of the first flavor or would i add another 10% of the second flavor . hmm im confusing myself .

Ok lets say this for example . say im making a juice with 5 flavors but all of the individual flavors taste best at 10% each overall. How would i still make each flavor taste at its best and not go up to like 50% overall flavor . If i use 50% of flavor in the juice overall its way too much but if i use 3-4%etc of one flavor that needs to be 10% to taste good how would i do that and still have enough flavoring to taste the flavor but not go overboard on the finished flavoring percentage of all the flavors combined ?

Once i get that down i think i can make good juice .

 

[AzPlumber]

Try mixing your multiple flavors together first and then add one drop at a time to your vg/pg base.

When i mix flavors that are new to me i will smell and do a taste test (tooth pick) of the flavor. That gives me a pretty good idea of how strong they are and if i can add them together equally.

 

[my4jewels]

I mix simple flavors, usually using 1 to 3 flavors, so mine are much more straight forward. I do know that if you want to flavor at 10%, all of your flavors together should total 10% of your mix. For instance, I you used 5 flavors equally to flavor at 10%, you'd use 2% of each. You need to experiment to see if you want them all to be equal.

Hoosier made an intersting post on flavoring here, look at #6: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/239872-flavourart-diy.html#post4568752

Have you looked at these resources for recipes?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/wellness-wrecked-bonkers/163598-diy-recipe-book.html

E-Liquid Recipes

Recipes

http://www.ecigexpress.com/blog/category/e-liquid-recipe/page/8/

 

[Str8V8ping]

Thanks ill check out that post . But say i test a 5 flavors individually and find that they have no taste below say 10% each but then i want to use them together . 50% would be too high of course but if i used 2% would i even taste the flavor ? Just saying hypothetically for a good example

 

[my4jewels]

I don't know, depends on the flavor and how you perceive it. Last night I made some apple strawberry champagne. If I flavored with each of these alone, I'd use 20%. I split the 20% 3 ways, about 6.5% of each, and the tastes blended nicely. I can still taste strong apple, strong strawberry, and the fizziness of the champagne. It's a mystery to me how it works, but it does. 6.5% would NEVER be enough flavor for me. It seems that when you mix the right flavors in the right %, they bring out the best in each other.

Perhaps try to find a recipe in the links I posted for something similar to what you are looking for. I don't do anything this complex with my diy. I'm sure that others will come along to help you out. It's Sunday, and lots of folks are busy today with family things.

Also, you won't waste as much unflavored nic juice if your experiments are done with pg/vg only. Then when you get it right, do it with your nic juice.

 

[Str8V8ping]

I don't know, depends on the flavor and how you perceive it. Last night I made some apple strawberry champagne. If I flavored with each of these alone, I'd use 20%. I split the 20% 3 ways, about 6.5% of each, and the tastes blended nicely. I can still taste strong apple, strong strawberry, and the fizziness of the champagne. It's a mystery to me how it works, but it does. 6.5% would NEVER be enough flavor for me. It seems that when you mix the right flavors in the right %, they bring out the best in each other.

Perhaps try to find a recipe in the links I posted for something similar to what you are looking for. I don't do anything this complex with my diy. I'm sure that others will come along to help you out. It's Sunday, and lots of folks are busy today with family things.

Also, you won't waste as much unflavored nic juice if your experiments are done with pg/vg only. Then when you get it right, do it with your nic juice.

Thanks just the answer i was looking for . Makes more sense now .

 

[my4jewels]

It's one of those mysteries of the universe, LOL. Let us know how your homebrew turns out.

 

[my4jewels]

Another thing. Depending on the blend, some juices require a bit of steeping. You may already know this, but you can speed up the flavor blending by putting the bottle of freshly made juice in warm water bath in a mug for a while.

 

[Str8V8ping]

Yup i knew that . I did make two that were vapable out of about 8. One is super good that i just made. The one thats really good was using a homebrew ground up italian starbucks coffee bean extraction i made mixed with PA sweet cream ,brown sugar and a drop of sweetener . Better than any coffee juice iv tried from any vendor . Iv tried like three snickerdoodles now and none are good though . Hopefully with my newly attained knowledge i can make one better .

I need to try making a coffee extract with this !!!!

http://www.coffeebeandirect.com/roa...fee/regular-flavored-coffee/cookiedoodle.html

 

[my4jewels]

You probably don't have the flavors yet from getsuckered, and I'm sending you a bunch tomorrow.

Be patient, Grasshoppah...

 

[Ms. Creant]

It is my understanding, as well, that the total of the flavoring should be 10% or whatever your preferred percentage is. Some people, me included, report that 1 drop per ml is enough on quite a number of flavors and depending on the thickness of the flavour, size of dropper etc. that can be 2.5% - 5% total flavoring. I've always had super acute senses so that is not surprising to me.

I made a Folgers hazelnut coffee extraction and at 3.5% it tasted like absolute crap but after mellowing for 24 hours the hazelnut is all up in my face and it is quite good.

 

[Ms. Creant]

I don't know, depends on the flavor and how you perceive it. Last night I made some apple strawberry champagne. If I flavored with each of these alone, I'd use 20%. I split the 20% 3 ways, about 6.5% of each, and the tastes blended nicely. I can still taste strong apple, strong strawberry, and the fizziness of the champagne. It's a mystery to me how it works, but it does. 6.5% would NEVER be enough flavor for me. It seems that when you mix the right flavors in the right %, they bring out the best in each other.

Perhaps try to find a recipe in the links I posted for something similar to what you are looking for. I don't do anything this complex with my diy. I'm sure that others will come along to help you out. It's Sunday, and lots of folks are busy today with family things.

Also, you won't waste as much unflavored nic juice if your experiments are done with pg/vg only. Then when you get it right, do it with your nic juice.

I probably would have thought of that, eventually. Good tip!

 

[Str8V8ping]

You probably don't have the flavors yet from getsuckered, and I'm sending you a bunch tomorrow.

Be patient, Grasshoppah...

Haha i know . I just started diying after black friday and i have probably 100 different flavoring from all different companies . I like to be able to make any recipe i come across . Will come in handy for when the fda starts banning stuff . I did my first couple with nic but since then iv been using just pg/vg till i get the hang of it . I finally just made a vapable snickerdoodle ,eh well not snickerdoodle but it tastes alright . The capellas cds iv noticed has a bigger TH then all the other flavorings iv tried (almost metholy TH ) .

It is my understanding, as well, that the total of the flavoring should be 10% or whatever your preferred percentage is. Some people, me included, report that 1 drop per ml is enough on quite a number of flavors and depending on the thickness of the flavour, size of dropper etc. that can be 2.5% - 5% total flavoring. I've always had super acute senses so that is not surprising to me.

I made a Folgers hazelnut coffee extraction and at 3.5% it tasted like absolute crap but after mellowing for 24 hours the hazelnut is all up in my face and it is quite good.

I have went back to the most basic step of trying one drop of each flavoring seperate per 20 drops pg/vg . I used one drop and vaped then 2 drops and vaped til i found the sweet spot of the flavoring and wrote it down . Iv done about 10 flavors now that way and i gotta say i should have done this from the start . Most flavors are best at around 1-3drops or 5-10% .Iv even noticed a couple flavors that i though were horrible are actually good . FW pumpkin spice smells horrible but at 5% tastes amazing . It almost like a sweet grahmm cracker with marshmellow . Its pretty close to the taste of fa cookie . The great thing is i now have a list of percentages to use each flavor according to my personal taste instead of just reading others thoughts on percentages or guessing . Ill be a pro in no time like this . I still dont have the amount of flavor as say a msTs juice but i already got a big improvment since yesterday .

 

[donnah]

I've quit trying to mix by percentages. I make a big batch of unflavored juice and then parcel it out into small 7ml bottles. Then I add a couple drops of this or that. Less seems to work much better than more for me. I've even got some tastyfinger from TV. It kills my attys and cartos but I love it. So, I've diluted it by half with unflavored. After I shake it up and vape, I can't tell any difference. I haven't used it in a carto yet but I've been bottom feeding this atty with it for almost a week now and it's still alive! So, I've been able to double my store bought juice and it's easier on my hardware too. A success for me!

Having a batch of unflavored sitting around has been a big game changer for me. I like it on it's own and after vaping it, I've now got a better understanding of what I can add to it to get the favor that I want. It works best of me to start at the bottom of the flavor scale and work my way up.

 

[Shilo]

I've quit trying to mix by percentages. I make a big batch of unflavored juice and then parcel it out into small 7ml bottles. Then I add a couple drops of this or that. Less seems to work much better than more for me. I've even got some tastyfinger from TV. It kills my attys and cartos but I love it. So, I've diluted it by half with unflavored. After I shake it up and vape, I can't tell any difference. I haven't used it in a carto yet but I've been bottom feeding this atty with it for almost a week now and it's still alive! So, I've been able to double my store bought juice and it's easier on my hardware too. A success for me!

Having a batch of unflavored sitting around has been a big game changer for me. I like it on it's own and after vaping it, I've now got a better understanding of what I can add to it to get the favor that I want. It works best of me to start at the bottom of the flavor scale and work my way up.

I totally agree with this. I make tiny batches before I commit to having lets say a 30 ml of a particular concoction. I was disappointed in some of my flavors and determined what I liked and didn't like by testing each one individually to start with. To be honest, many were turnoffs just by the smell alone. I always have unflavored on hand for tweaking or testing. I don't like to give advice about percentages because I like light flavoring at least compared to what some others here seem to use. Its very very subjective and the only real advice I have to anyone is start with a lower percent and then add more if needed. Its easier to do that than to dump something that is over flavored.

 

[Str8V8ping]

I agree now . LESS IS MORE .

 

[Hoosier]

Hoosier made an intersting post on flavoring here, look at #6: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/239872-flavourart-diy.html#post4568752

Shhhh, the last thing you'd want is for folks to start reading what I typed!

 

[Str8V8ping]

Shhhh, the last thing you'd want is for folks to start reading what I typed!

You steps are spot on im finding out . Too much flavoring has absolutly no taste except for a chemicalish vg taste .Its actually worse than too little .

 

[Hoosier]

You steps are spot on im finding out . Too much flavoring has absolutly no taste except for a chemicalish vg taste .Its actually worse than too little .

But is smells great! Which can be very confusing, no?