Who are the cloud chasers kidding ?

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Man, these threads are so popular, I should start one saying that anyone who doesn't vape at least 75% PG is a wuss. If you breathed smoke for all those years, why are you so afraid of a little throat hit? ;)

Kidding. Really. I've already been slapped around by a bunch of cloud chasers in another thread just cuz I said it was 'silly.' I still think it is, but I'll defend their absolute right to be silly if they want to.

Vape on! In any way you feel is necessary, or desirable! :vapor:

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LOL! You'd just have a bunch of people asking why you are afraid of vapor. Myself I use 80% VG. You get the heavy lung feeling from VG. I get the feeling like a clamp is being screwed down on my wind pipe from high PG.

Either way, just like I always say, vape what you want, how you want. As long as you can be considerate about it, then it doesn't affect me in any way so I don't care.
 

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Man, these threads are so popular, I should start one saying that anyone who doesn't vape at least 75% PG is a wuss. If you breathed smoke for all those years, why are you so afraid of a little throat hit? ;)


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A quick side note, I always hear PG produces throat hit. I vape below .1 ohm and no matter what juice I use, whether its 70% pg to 10% PG, I feel no difference at all. Is it just those using higher ohms?
 

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A quick side note, I always hear PG produces throat hit. I vape below .1 ohm and no matter what juice I use, whether its 70% pg to 10% PG, I feel no difference at all. Is it just those using higher ohms?

What nicotine level? PG doesn't have any throat hit on its own. It just enhances the throat hit of nicotine. I imagine in low-nic solutions the effect is probably less noticeable.
 

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Personally, I don't care how many watts people vape but I do care that when they are experimenting to produce massive clouds that they do a couple of things.

1) Know Ohms Law dead cold, backward and forwards, in and out if you are going to build your own coils and especially if you are pluming.
2) Understand how having almost no resistance on a coil and an improperly rated battery to support it can and will cause thermal runaway in the battery. Thus, damaging you and our reputations.
3) Know that laws get enacted because of the stupid people, not the smart ones.
4) Know that if you don't bother to know and understand the science behind plumes and you blow your face off as a result, a law will come out.
5) Know that if a law comes out restricting what we do and how we do it due to your carelessness and self-harm, YOU will become the biggest enemy to vaping freedom.
 
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What nicotine level? PG doesn't have any throat hit on its own. It just enhances the throat hit of nicotine. I imagine in low-nic solutions the effect is probably less noticeable.

6mg usually but I have vaped up to 12. Only thing that changes is the hit from nic. PG doesnt seem to change it even then. Prefer high VG though so not a lot of high PG use.
 

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A quick side note, I always hear PG produces throat hit. I vape below .1 ohm and no matter what juice I use, whether its 70% pg to 10% PG, I feel no difference at all. Is it just those using higher ohms?

What nicotine level? PG doesn't have any throat hit on its own. It just enhances the throat hit of nicotine. I imagine in low-nic solutions the effect is probably less noticeable.

I'm not really sure about all the details of all this, to be honest; I vape 7-10mg, 75%-ish PG, my coils are about 1.7-2 ohms, and I vape at about 7.5-9.5 watts. My primary ADV is Virginia from MyFreedomSmokes, and I've always found that particular ejuice, in their regular PG blend (85% PG), (mixed with very small amounts of a couple other juices that have more VG, to bring it to 75%), to have outstanding throat hit, even at 6mg. I don't know why unless they also add some of that "Flash" stuff to it; I do know their VG-blend Virginia has almost no throat hit at all.

I believe that if you vape lower nic, you can increase PG to kinda take the place of a higher nic level, and vice-versa, if you need higher nic but can't handle too much throat hit, you can use more VG to smooth it out.

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Personally, I don't care how many watts people vape but I do care that when they are experimenting to produce massive clouds that they do a couple of things.

1) Know Ohms Law dead cold, backward and forwards, in and out if you are going to build your own coils and especially if you are pluming.
2) Understand how having almost no resistance on a coil and an improperly rated battery to support it can and will cause thermal runaway in the battery. Thus, damaging you and our reputations.
3) Know that laws get enacted because of the stupid people, not the smart ones.
4) Know that if you don't bother to know and understand the science behind plumes and you blow your face off as a result, a law will come out.
5) Know that if a law comes out restricting what we do and how we do it due to your carelessness and self-harm, YOU will become the biggest enemy to vaping freedom.

Well said. I totally agree.
 

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Personally, I don't care how many watts people vape but I do care that when they are experimenting to produce massive clouds that they do a couple of things.


3) Know that laws get enacted because of the stupid people, not the smart ones.
4) Know that if you don't bother to know and understand the science behind plumes and you blow your face off as a result, a law will come out.
5) Know that if a law comes out restricting what we do and how we do it due to your carelessness and self-harm, YOU will become the biggest enemy to vaping freedom.


I agree with you on the first two, and my comments are not directed at you personally, but at this belief in general, and lots of people seem to hold it. 3,4, and 5 I think are total BS. The impending regulations have absolutely not one little shred of a spec of anything to do with cloud chasing. Nobody at the FDA is hunkered down at the computer watching people build unsafe coils and blowing vapnados. If the regulations went through as proposed, nearly every modern vaping device would be outlawed. The MVP, the new Provari, the VTR, etc. The protank, Nautilus, the kayfun, the Erlkonigin, the list goes on, and on, and on, and on. Flavored liquids...gone. Everything else you love...gone. We will be left with prefilled cartridge cigalikes.

In my opinion, the "community" as a whole did a piss poor job of responding to this threat, with the vast majority not even bothered enough to fill out a comment in the open comment period. Now everybody wants to scurry around like cockroaches after the lights get turned on looking for somebody to blame. Anybody, as long as it isn't them. If the government passes these regulations in their strictest possible format, we will ALL suffer. Until that time, I 'll be damned if I'm going to let the "community" regulate me for them.

I'm an adult. I'm a vaper.


PS I honestly think that most of the people who love these threads so much wouldn't know an honest to god cloud chaser from someone who drips if they smacked them upside the head with a Manhattan mod.
 

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I agree with you on the first two, and my comments are not directed at you personally, but at this belief in general, and lots of people seem to hold it. 3,4, and 5 I think are total BS. The impending regulations have absolutely not one little shred of a spec of anything to do with cloud chasing. Nobody at the FDA is hunkered down at the computer watching people build unsafe coils and blowing vapnados. If the regulations went through as proposed, nearly every modern vaping device would be outlawed. The MVP, the new Provari, the VTR, etc. The protank, Nautilus, the kayfun, the Erlkonigin, the list goes on, and on, and on, and on. Flavored liquids...gone. Everything else you love...gone. We will be left with prefilled cartridge cigalikes.

In my opinion, the "community" as a whole did a piss poor job of responding to this threat, with the vast majority not even bothered enough to fill out a comment in the open comment period. Now everybody wants to scurry around like cockroaches after the lights get turned on looking for somebody to blame. Anybody, as long as it isn't them. If the government passes these regulations in their strictest possible format, we will ALL suffer. Until that time, I 'll be damned if I'm going to let the "community" regulate me for them.

I'm an adult. I'm a vaper.


PS I honestly think that most of the people who love these threads so much wouldn't know an honest to god cloud chaser from someone who drips if they smacked them upside the head with a Manhattan mod.

3 is not aimed at vaping but common sense. The reason we have to have stop signs is because folks could not figure out the yielding concept on their own, still can't.

4 and 5? If you think for a second that the anti-vape nazis won't hop on a vape tragedy and use it to further their already ridiculous cause, you are kidding yourself.

BTW, as I said at first...It is not cloud chasing or wattage I have any issues with. It is the person who thinks they can watch a youtube vid and do it safely without knowing the mechanics and safety of building coils. This is regardless of the ohm rating of the coil by the way.

So the message I have is, do what you will but for God's sakes be safe about it. Read: Don't be a jackass, do it right.
 
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I am probably going to get a lot of negative feedback on this thread but it time to wake up and smell the roses.

Okay.

I get the sense that many members in my opinion think the the Obama Tobacco Control act which was enacted I think in 1999 when few people ever even heard of e-cig think its directed soley at e-cigs. I don't think e-gis were even in the originally drafted law.

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My first e-cig was a Ruyan 120 mAh battery with a dripping atomizer. Then came cartomizers, clearomizers, fluxomizers

Goodnews!

I've got some orange juice for you. :D

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