Who else vapes at 30 to 36 milligrams

[swedishfish]

Poll results

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/6287-what-strength-eliquid-do-you-buy-most.html

Over half the people that did the poll vape 24 or higher.

 

[wv2win]

wv2win
Fine,
Take your chances.

I know what the industry standard for "safe and responsible" is set at. That doesn't mean it's followed. You apparently aren't doing so. Don't encourage others to take a chance unless your Dead Sure about what you claim.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of vapers using 24mg liquid and have been for 2 or more years. Yet there is not one reported incident of a stroke or heart attack from vaping. Don't you think all those groups against vaping would have reported it if something dire would have occurred? You are way over your head and out of line with this type of "scare" information. I will trust my doctor and my own common sense, not someone yelling "the sky is falling".

 

[earthpig]

wv2win
First off, the question wasn't about 24mg, ""it was about 36mg"". Which is 1/2 again that much hotter. And I also commented about 48mg.
I also know people who vape 24mg, and I have, but it isn't wise, wether 1/2 the amount of vapers do so or not. It also wasn't wise to smoke and we did that as well. So good judgment isn't something we are known to have, eh?

Also tying heart attack/stroke to vaping is a rough call, and it cannot be said, no one that vapes has heart attacks. If they do, (just like the genral public does) it's hard to always pinpoint a cause.
Nic is a stimulant. We (for the most part) are older, why promote a possible issue. Instead promote common sense and caution.

We Disagree.

 

[wv2win]

wv2win
First off, the question wasn't about 24mg, ""it was about 36mg"". Which is 1/2 again that much hotter. And I also commented about 48mg.
I also know people who vape 24mg, and I have, but it isn't wise, wether 1/2 the amount of vapers do so or not. It also wasn't wise to smoke and we did that as well. So good judgment isn't something we are known to have, eh?

Also tying heart attack/stroke to vaping is a rough call, and it cannot be said, no one that vapes has heart attacks. If they do, (just like the genral public does) it's hard to always pinpoint a cause.
Nic is a stimulant. We (for the most part) are older, why promote a possible issue. Instead promote common sense and caution.

We Disagree.

Caffine in coffee/cola is a stimulant. You are scaring new people to this forum with comments that are not accurate as to non-real dangers to vaping higher nicotine level liquid. Too many posts from newbs indicate they need 24 and even 36mg liquid to stay off cigarettes. Your "non-common sense" is steering them back to cigarettes. Your irrational fears are misleading and harmful to people's success in not smoking.

 

[earthpig]

And you are underestimating the effects that stimulants have on some people (some of which cannot even drink caffeine, or take stimulants).
Preach it elsewhere. I advocate caution.

 

[VapingRulz]

I vape 36mg routinely with no ill effects and obviously I'm not alone, so I don't think you should be alarming new vapers who feel the need to vape at higher levels.

I've noted before that when I started vaping, I used 36mg exclusively for several months. The only side effect I experienced was that I quit smoking.

 

[VapingRulz]

And you are underestimating the effects that stimulants have on some people (some of which cannot even drink caffeine, or take stimulants).
Preach it elsewhere. I advocate caution.

Earthpig, it's safe to assume that if they're vaping it's because they were smokers. The nicotine is not something new to them.

 

[earthpig]

VapingRulz.

As said, some have abilities to do more than the next.
It doesn't mean in general it's wise to push limits.

 

[earthpig]

VapingRulz
Yes, your 36mg vaping amounts to 19% according to Sweedfish's link. That means ""81% ""don't go that high, for a variety of reasons. Many get head rushes, edginess and headaches from using that much. That's part of my caution. If you (others) have high blood psi, or heart issues it isn't wise to vape high amounts of nicotine, drink caffeine or anything that can trigger a reaction.
Thus I push cautionary restraint.
Especially with older folks!!!
Likewise to allergic reactions from flavorings (cinnamon is a biggie) or from PG .

There are many issues to take heed of, for the sake of the person wanting to get this right.

I worked a mall kiosk and when dealing with new vapers , I was able to hear their stories and some were scary to them . Much was from overdoing nic. Other times it took near 24mg to get em balanced. Much depended on what they smoked, how much and how they inhaled cigs. It was then when I took the time to get them in the right ballpark for their individual needs The need is to discontinue cigs. The overall desire was to not get them at a higher level than what they were smoking, except temporarily until they got off cigs for a length of time, and they would back down to a level even to, or less over time.

36mg was never needed but there were a few that used it for the rush...which makes little sense... because they weren't rushing with their daily smoke. Why the need when they vape?

 

[JantjeBravo]

Keep in your mind how the nicotine addiction works.

At fist you smoke and trigger the nicotinereceptors, they like it, you'll start smoking. But they'll ask more and more nicotine. They also gonna expand, you'll get more and more nicotine receptors. So you'll need to smoke more and more to have the good feeling.

Anyway, stop smoking with this e-devices is a good start. But! I've you are taking more nicotine you'll have the same effect as with analogs. Now you're still addicted to the nicotine and you did take higher amounts. What happened is what I said above... If you want to e-smoke less, it'll be the same like cutting down analogs. Maybe you can try with nicotine tablets and patches, taking it down over 6 weeks. But keep an regular amount of e-smoking and just use the nicotine patches to get rid of the bad outcomes.

Dear people, keep in mind: Smoking is very bad But switching to e-smoking just affect health, NOT the addiction... You're still a smoker, you are just using another way to keep the habit and still have a nice amount of nicotine (where you're addicted to). You see, e-smoking is smoking. If you even would decide to quit e-smoking, you'll have all the same problems like if you would stop the analogs. If your not allowed to e-smoking, it's just the same as with analogs. A problem with e-smoking is that you can do it anywhere and it is so nice to do. That's a perfect way keep going the nicotine addiction and you are even making it worse. Try to keep a hand on the nicotine!

I'm sorry to say all of this. But that's whats this all about. Switching to e-smoking is good for the health, only for the health.

anyway, my advice: make a plan to lower the nicotine amount in a few steps, depends on what amount of nicotine you want to keep. Plan this over 6 weeks or more, at least 6, If you have the time, make it as long as possible. How slower the nicotine drops, how better you'll feel, how bigger the chance you'll have a good outcome. If you want to e-smoke less, start all of this with the time you want to e-smoke and keep this continue (If your lowering in nicotine and start smoking twice at much, it will not the make a difference).

Good luck!

 

[swedishfish]

VapingRulz
Yes, your 36mg vaping amounts to 19% according to Sweedfish's link. That means ""81% ""don't go that high, for a variety of reasons. Many get head rushes, edginess and headaches from using that much. That's part of my caution. If you (others) have high blood psi, or heart issues it isn't wise to vape high amounts of nicotine, drink caffeine or anything that can trigger a reaction.
Thus I push cautionary restraint.
Especially with older folks!!!
Likewise to allergic reactions from flavorings (cinnamon is a biggie) or from PG .

There are many issues to take heed of, for the sake of the person wanting to get this right.

I worked a mall kiosk and when dealing with new vapers , I was able to hear their stories and some were scary to them . Much was from overdoing nic. Other times it took near 24mg to get em balanced. Much depended on what they smoked, how much and how they inhaled cigs. It was then when I took the time to get them in the right ballpark for their individual needs The need is to discontinue cigs. The overall desire was to not get them at a higher level than what they were smoking, except temporarily until they got off cigs for a length of time, and they would back down to a level even to, or less over time.

36mg was never needed but there were a few that used it for the rush...which makes little sense... because they weren't rushing with their daily smoke. Why the need when they vape?

Good Lord. We aren't on methadone. We're a bunch of smokers trying not to smoke. And most people here aren't a bunch of kids that are new to this whole 'smoking thing'. I think I read the average age here is 40-50's. Lets not over complicate this whole thing. You need enough nicotine to prevent you from smoking. Most people reduce their level automatically when they're off cigarettes but you have to get off cigarettes first. How much you need to do that is an individual thing. It's really no more complex than that. If you didn't OD when you smoked it's doubtful that you will vaping.

 

[earthpig]

Swed..

Had some that i saw product sold to that went into heart palps and other overboard effects from vaping the wrong thing. Generally too high mg.
They came back quite concerned.
So yeah, after seeing that, you take it with some concern and work with em.
It is a drug and it is somewhat a serious issue with those who have side effects, wether it's nic/pg/allergy or other. It's new to many (wether they are seasoned smokers or only a few years in) and serious stuff when they come back wanting help.

True, it is safer than cigs by a major degree. A great thing. True, most don't have issues or if they do, work it out themselves.
Some I've dealt with were real concerned, since they had/have high hopes e-cigs will work for em but are troubled they can't get it right. Maybe that's why the failure rate is as high as it is with e-cigs. It's pretty good, but with a little guidance can be a lot better. We had fabulous success rates.
It's the stuff not seen through "on line" sales, but is when dealing "one on one".

So yeah, I take it somewhat serious.

 

[crk0756]

I have found that my "happy place" is between 12 and 24mg... 12 during the day while at work, and the 18 and 24 at night.... Given my habit of vaping constantly, I have not really considered the higher levels....

 

[DaDoc]

i vaped 36mg for the fist 2 months now im down to 18mg and doing just fine vaping at 6v just awsome


Vape On

 

[VapingRulz]

Here's the bottom line: I wanted to stop smoking.

When I vaped 24mg, I wanted a cigarette.
When I vaped 36mg, I did not want a cigarette.

Which option do you think makes more sense?

Whatever it takes to avoid craving analogs is what new vapers should focus on. If they overdo the nic, they're going to get a headache and maybe the shakes - just as they would if they smoked too much. They're not going to keel over and die.

 

[swedishfish]

Here's the bottom line: I wanted to stop smoking.

When I vaped 24mg, I wanted a cigarette.
When I vaped 36mg, I did not want a cigarette.

Which option do you think makes more sense?

Whatever it takes to avoid craving analogs is what new vapers should focus on. If they overdo the nic, they're going to get a headache and maybe the shakes - just as they would if they smoked too much. They're not going to keel over and die.

That's crazy talk. Stop making sense.

If I vape too low, I vape too much and the flavoring makes me feel sorta sick. I don't really vape non-stop though. If I'm craving a cig, I vape a little and put it down. Half the time I misplace it so it's not usually a problem. I spend more time looking for it than I do vaping.

 

[wv2win]

Swed..

Had some that i saw product sold to that went into heart palps and other overboard effects from vaping the wrong thing. Generally too high mg.
They came back quite concerned.
So yeah, after seeing that, you take it with some concern and work with em.
It is a drug and it is somewhat a serious issue with those who have side effects, wether it's nic/pg/allergy or other. It's new to many (wether they are seasoned smokers or only a few years in) and serious stuff when they come back wanting help.

True, it is safer than cigs by a major degree. A great thing. True, most don't have issues or if they do, work it out themselves.
Some I've dealt with were real concerned, since they had/have high hopes e-cigs will work for em but are troubled they can't get it right. Maybe that's why the failure rate is as high as it is with e-cigs. It's pretty good, but with a little guidance can be a lot better. We had fabulous success rates.
It's the stuff not seen through "on line" sales, but is when dealing "one on one".

So yeah, I take it somewhat serious.

First you are not a doctor and have no clue how to diagnose drug issues. Second, my "real" doctor told me not to be concerned with vaping 24 or 36mg strength liquid. Third, you are sending people back to cigarettes by telling new vapers on this forum not to vape a level that will allow them to successfully transiton to vaping. You are a "fear monger", nothing more.

 

[earthpig]

wv2win
Correct, Not a doctor, and I referred em to one on occasion, and don't make medical calls or decisions.
Second, your Real doctor is telling you what works for"you", and I've seen many "doctors" make bad calls on things.
Third, I am sending no one back to smoking.I'm telling them real incidents I've run into "which is responsible". Transitions need to be smooth and not of possible danger.
When I see people having reactions to nic/pg/ allergic, it needs talked out and referred out as necessary, but the basics are basics.

Flat out.
Many cannot handle the high nicotine contents without issues.

 

[brokenbrains]

I was up around 48 to 60 mg for a while.
Managed to cut down to 30mg with some equipment upgrades (still don't understand all I know about that).
Could probably swing 24mg if need be.
At 18mg though, I burn through atties and cartos at an alarming rate.

But I'm not most people, and didn't smoke what most people smoked.

 

[earthpig]

WOOF.
That's harsh.