Who else vapes at 30 to 36 milligrams

[earthpig]

lambch3p
Good method.
Many who are new to vaping don't mix or want to. Thus the prefilled cartomizer revolution out there.
If they had a flavor i enjoyed I would never mix, since I never have liked doing so, but the methodology is good.

 

[DuncanDisordely]

My reasoning for still smoking is due to not finding a flavor I totally enjoy after coming off of some very good brands and some high end tobaccos .
It (again) has nothing to do with nic level since I am far lower with a real cig than I am e-cigs, and the e-cigs are at 16-18mg.
Also (again) calculations put me at 80% less in tars/co2's , and also the nic level is down.
So yes, I've weaned off cigs for thr nic level totally, I don't get it from them anymore.
Next is to lock on to a flavor that works,, and put the cigs away.
Correct that better than 60% don't actually quit with e-cigs, so those on their high horse, good for you!.
I'll get there in my time, as many do, and as I've helped many do.
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None of this is relevant to the initial discussion, however.
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Lets do a rough calc.
A Marlboro Red is at ~1.2mg per cig. X 20 cigs = 24mg a pack, (and that is about the hottest nic cig on the market unless you go filterless). Now this basic math has been disputed both directions so it runs midline.
Most don't smoke that level and many smoke lights or ultra lights. which are 1/2 to 1/3rd that level.
So you want to suggest to those that smoke lights/ultra lights they should vape high mg?
Those are the ones that get physically sick doing so, just like you did the very first time you smoked a real cig...remember?
Can they build the level up? Sure !...Why??

Pig

Earpig, I'm sorry, I want to like you, but I cannot bring myself to.

The main problem I have with you is that you have this idea about pv's and cigarettes that I just don't understand - you say that you did not find a juice to match the flavour and therefore you still smoke.

I smoked up to 60 a day and when I quit with pv's I went pretty quickly onto a strawberry juice, I love the taste of my pv and the sensory delight is one of the things that helped me detach from the cancer sticks. To say you are still killing yourself because 'the taste isnt quite right' is the most laughable argument I have heard in my entire life.

Aside from that, calm down! I've vaped up to 50/60mg as have many other people on here. The levels of nic are high and yes you could get 'buzzing' if you're not tolerant enough - but lets get one thing straight - we are talking about people that recieved more nicotine from their 'real' cigarettes so why would it suddenly bother them???

If you're talking about discouraging a NEW user who DIDNT smoke before from starting out with high nic, then YES I am sure we all agree. But thats a complete joke as these things are NOT for people that DIDNT smoke beforehand!


'Our' point is simple - ...., quietly, in a corner, please.

 

[Noodoggy]

noodoggy.
That's the effects of "withdrawl", not the other way.
So nope, you didn't cover it. That list would include the reverse in heart rate and issues related to it.

the point i am making is the symptoms you describe as too much nicotine are MOST LIKELY nicotine withdrawal. I quit smoking 4 months ago. I had elevated heart rate for 5 days! Blood pressure is what goes down when weening from nicotine. Heart rate is very different. Anxiety symptoms:

Panic attacks are intense periods of fear or feelings of doom developing over a very short time frame -- up to 10 minutes -- and associated with at least four of the following:

Sudden overwhelming fear
Palpitations
Sweating
Trembling
Shortness of breath
Sense of choking
Chest pain
Nausea
Dizziness
A feeling of being detached from the world (derealization)
Fear of dying
Numbness or tingling in the limbs or entire body
Chills or hot flushes

source:
Panic and Anxiety

Just to have full disclosure, many symptoms of nicotine withdrawal can also be found with nicotine overdose, but the more logical conclusion is withdrawal as the source b/c evidence continues to show that vaping DOES NOT provide as much nicotine to the body as smoking. Again, I point out that the lungs cannot absorb nicotine from liquids (i.e. vapor) very readily, whereas both the lungs, mouth, sinuses and throat very readily absorb combusted nicotine. When you actually quit smoking and go through the withdrawal symptoms you can talk. Until then my evidence far outweighs your salesman schtick. I work in the retail business, and your approach to customer service is very dangerous, and at the very least faulty and shady. Again, better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. BTW I never argue about anything I do not know about. If I dont know about it, I am upfront and disclose my lack of knowledge. I am clear about what I know and dont know and will let anyone know that I dont know. It's quite okay to do so. In fact, I think it makes one more influential, because then you are perceived as someone who actually WANTS to know. Have a great day1 May your vaping be long lasting!

 

[earthpig]

I don't have an issues with a nicotine level and if I need a nic fix, a 16-18mg works just fine.
I finally locked down to a Marlboro/Johnson Creek, Tenn Cured, VG, 50/50% mix to finally get a taste satisfactory, but it took a LONG time to find a flavor that either wasn't sickeningly sweet or one that tasted like soap. I mean, some of those prefilled carto's are horrible.
I was smoking some very high end quality flavored cigs and a pipe on occasion and finding a satisfactory flavor with adequate vapor and consistent carto's took me a lot of time.
Now that has been solved.

And I'm not saying ""all"" cannot vape high nic. I'm saying ""many"" have real issues with it.
I'm not the one worked up, by the way. It's others who take offense that I would say high levels of nic ""can"" be an issue.
A lot of things ""can"" be an issue. PG and allergies to various flavors also play into the ""can"" list. My point is a general statement that high levels of nic are always fine, is to me irresponsible.

Considering only (according to the supplied poll) 19% vape 36mg and up, I can't see what the fuss is about. The numbers show the (either) lack of need or the issues some have with those levels.

And thanks for the civility and kind words.
Pig

 

[videvinci]

Here's the bottom line: I wanted to stop smoking.

When I vaped 24mg, I wanted a cigarette.
When I vaped 36mg, I did not want a cigarette.

Which option do you think makes more sense?

Whatever it takes to avoid craving analogs is what new vapers should focus on. If they overdo the nic, they're going to get a headache and maybe the shakes - just as they would if they smoked too much. They're not going to keel over and die.

Actually they CAN keel over and die from heart arythmia or a stroke. Nicotine is a vaso constrictor and should be handled with care

 

[earthpig]

Noodoggy.
Correct ,the effects go both ways. The point is to find which way it is going, and get the balance right.
Palpatations lend to show the high side direction, in general.

 

[earthpig]

Thanks, Vid.
It's uncommon, but,..yes.

 

[VapingRulz]

Actually they CAN keel over and die from heart arythmia or a stroke. Nicotine is a vaso constrictor and should be handled with care

It's safe to assume that if they were candidates for nicotine sensitivity to that degree, the real cigarettes would have killed them long ago. If they didn't keel over and die when they were smoking - vaping isn't going to do the job, even at 36mg.

 

[VapingRulz]

I don't have an issues with a nicotine level and if I need a nic fix, a 16-18mg works just fine.

If it works just fine, why are you still smoking a pack a day? You express alarm that someone would vape @ 36mg but how much nicotine do you think you're pumping into your body when you smoke that much AND vape at the same time? Yet you're apparently still here to tell the story. I guess the body has a higher tolerance for nicotine than you want to admit.

 

[earthpig]

Vap..
Been through all that on why.

I don't express alarm. I express concern for the concept that 36mg is a safe option for the general vaping public. Many have issues. Plain and simple.
It needs spelled out rather than blindly saying 36mg+ is safe and good for anyone. That to me is irresponsible to say.

 

[CrispyPickles]

Is 36mg good to start off with if you're a noob? No,probably not.But if you've been vaping for months like me and built a tolerance for high nicotine levels then I say go for it if you still crave analogs! Anything beats paying MORE taxes,unless you enjoy that sort of thing. And obviously nicotine has it's risks like any other stimulant. But people will choose the better of the two evils and I still say that you are a hell of a lot safer smoking water vapor than an actual cigarette.

 

[DaveP]

I don't care for passthroughs because of the heavy draw on the USB ports. If you use a passthrough, get one with an inline battery. That way, you are using the battery for a buffer between the mother board and your ecig.

Ego batts will do away with the PT. If you can walk around for 5-6 hours and vape you don't need a pass through. Two Ego batts and a charger are cheaper than most pass through devices, anyway.

 

[BWG707]

Instead of vaping 36mg for the nicotine I'm vaping 36mg mainly for the TH. I found that anything below at least 24mg lacks a decent TH. I'm not considering some of the Cinn. (hot) flavors. I can not stand the taste of the menthols, spermints, etc. I have vaped 36mg juices hard and have never had any type of nicotine overdose symtoms. Right before I started vaping I was down to smoking 6 to 7 cigs a day, so a built up tolerence was not factor. It is obvious that nicotine effects different people different ways so my advice would be to start off easy and build up to see what you are comfortable with.

 

[wv2win]

I have read most responsible companies won't even sell 24mg, and limit it to 18mg.
36mg is asking for it. 48mg can be deadly. If you're smart you'll back off of going that high. Cardiac arrest/stroke isn't a fun thing. I've spent the past year helping nurse a friend back to health due to a stroke.

I urge you to back off.

Vap..
Been through all that on why.

I don't express alarm. I express concern for the concept that 36mg is a safe option for the general vaping public. Many have issues. Plain and simple.
It needs spelled out rather than blindly saying 36mg+ is safe and good for anyone. That to me is irresponsible to say.

As I said earlier, your integrety is the problem. You are the one making blanket statements saying that using 36mg is "asking for it" and responsible companies won't even sell 24mg liquid!!!!. Now you are trying to mitigate those statements as if you were just misunderstood. You're a joke and one who will harm some newbie's ability to do what you can't and that's quit smoking.

 

[wv2win]

I don't care for passthroughs because of the heavy draw on the USB ports. If you use a passthrough, get one with an inline battery. That way, you are using the battery for a buffer between the mother board and your ecig.

Ego batts will do away with the PT. If you can walk around for 5-6 hours and vape you don't need a pass through. Two Ego batts and a charger are cheaper than most pass through devices, anyway.

If you get a 5 volt/2amp USB to AC adapter, you can plug your PT right into the wall outlet. That's what most do that use a PT.

 

[earthpig]

Been a few cases of usb ports cooking, but it's not common. Considering the price of my Apple, I won't chance it.

 

[DuncanDisordely]

It's safe to assume that if they were candidates for nicotine sensitivity to that degree, the real cigarettes would have killed them long ago. If they didn't keel over and die when they were smoking - vaping isn't going to do the job, even at 36mg.

Thank you and congratulations on finding a short and concise way of saying what I tried to say - this is the crux of it, the people on these levels are ex-smokers, and they would have died smoking if they were that susceptible to nicotine.

I CANNOT understand how a certain earthbound swine cannot see past this point... ?

Anyway, happy vaping to all!!

 

[jtpjc]

Okay, I didn't come further than page 8 so I don't know what has happened after that, which means I might be very much out of line, but I felt I needed to chime in.

Earth was honest enough to admit he still smokes a pack a day. Then it turned into a discussion that is ECF unworthy. You know, like on that other website That Shall Not Be Named, were some members have a Holier Than Thou attitude. Well let me tell you something. I'm worse than Earth. I do RYO, the heaviest stuff you can get over here, and lots of it. I'm also surrounded by pv's, and I swear I try to use them as much as possible, and they have reduced the daily RYO quantity into half, but still I seem to need those. Why? I've no idea, probably because of the MAOI's or something.

I use 24 mg eliquid. Reading this topic I thought: maybe I still smoke this much because 24 mg is not enough. So I mixed some 36 mg and vaping that right now. I'll keep you informed how that works out, although maybe not in this topic.

 

[wood duck]

Wood duck
Where did I ever say real cigs are less harmful than e-cigs? Don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't , I said "He's fooling himself if he thinks low nic cigs are any better for him than high strength"
I just forgot to write cigs after strength.
I know you've said you like the flavor of high end tobacco and when I started vaping I thought I would prefer the taste of a dirty ashtray to vaping ice cream or fruit salad or the like . But now after making myself sick on the tobacco flavors (IMO they are all bad and taste nothing like real smoke) I found by accident Grape ..Of all things now is my all day vape and if I want a change I reach for Apple.
It seems ridiculous to me but those are my flavours . And I absolutely cannot stand any other flavor I have tried.
My point being dont give up on finding something that works for you . You can and will get rid of those analogues as you have shown you have a lot of stubborn determination and will throughout this thread.
When you do find your flavor I'd say it will be something you never would have expected.
Good luck

 

[earthpig]

Wood duck
I'm quite close to a "quit" scenario since it took 10 months to get the balance right.
Biggest issues were proper flavors/equipment inconsistencies/and I like a large amount of vapor. All have recently been solved.
I've cut the co2/tars down by 80% and cig usage by less than 50% just in fiddling around getting the balance right. Now it's right.
Considering on the high side, only 40% quit using e-cigs, and it doesn't always happen immediately, I think I'm headed in the right direction, but not there yet. I always get bothered by those who quit immediately and end up faultering later. That's a large % by the way.

But my original point is high levels of nicotine can cause some serious medical reactions and many don't warn folks of that. It doesn't mean these reactions are permanent, and generally are not, but one stroke or heart attack with (especially) ""older folks"" is a serious thing if it happens. I won't be the one feeding them the line that high levels of nic is perfectly safe and have that on my head after the fact. Some folks I've sold and balanced out have been age 70-85 in age. Caution is wise!
Likewise the same can be said for the ~3-5% who have reactions to PG , and an unknown % who have reactions to flavorings.

My personal study in e-cigs is not Nic, but instead "burn temperatures" of components in fluids. ""Flavorings""! Many don't understand that a lot of things DO burn. I'm more precautionary in that realm as well as some of the carto burn issues (which others here in ECF are on top of).. Some flavors use artificial sweeteners I wouldn't eat. let alone vape. But that's just one of dozens of components to consider.
Mind you, we are still exponentially safer with e-juice than actual smoke, but it is an issues that I think will show future health issues in the e-cig users (I sure hope I'm wrong in that).
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So I'm not out to discourage, but encourage with precautions. Many really don't need the high nic and would be better suited with just specific flavorings being modified. Throat Hit is NOT always a component of Nic Only.

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But thanks, and I'm getting there.