Who Watches the Watchmen

[Dr. Russell Fell]

What do you think of the wolverine movie?

The only good part of the x-men movies was in X-2, when Wolverine gets to use his claws, bloodless but still satisfying

i don't really care much for the character to be honest. as for the movies, i see them the same way the hollywood producers do - easy cash-in. people will see it regardless of how bad it is. this often leads to x-men 3 syndrome (closely related to the notorious spider-man 3 disease). i pretty much have no desire to see the wolverine flick, although i'll probably rent it/stream it online whenever i have nothing to do.

i'll admit that the opening scene for x-men 2 was pretty bad ... in all sorts of ways.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

And you're right Dr. Russell. Mine is the Propylene Glycol-13 version.

haha of course.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

this often leads to x-men 3 syndrome (closely related to the notorious spider-man 3 disease).

The Phoenix saga is one of the greatest x-men stories, I was ...... at X-3, I was also mad at the way they treated Rogue. (BTW if you want to see Rogues boobies watch true blood, hehe)


But as far as the watchmen, my friend in HS, a real comic nerd, made me read it, I liked the story but the characters remind me of the comics from the 60's-70's that you see in the bargain bin (I know the characters are actually based on those lame comics, that's the point of the story) but you got to figure this story was controversial in the late 80's with American audiences. I read it in the early 90's, I had a Japanese friend who showed me Fist of the North Star, which blew me away. I wasn't fased by the watchmen like older people were. But did you ever see the live action FOTNS with down town Julie Brown? Can you say lame?

The watchmen could be one of the best adaptations ever but they need to punch it up the same way that Wolverine needs to be punched up to a swearing bad ... .... who smokes and drinks and will shank you with his Freddy claws.

Seriously Doc, you aren't into Wolverine but you're into the Owl?

As far as American comics are concerned Wolverine is the greatest anti hero ever created, and yes Doc he's more bad ... then the Comedian!

 

[Rorschach]

Wow, you chaps have your Watchmen quotes memorised much better than I do. The Rorschach line that really grabbed me as a young goth:

'None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me.'

...or words to that effect

Oh I LOVEEE that one.

 

[Rorschach]

The Phoenix saga is one of the greatest x-men stories, I was ...... at X-3, I was also mad at the way they treated Rogue. (BTW if you want to see Rogues boobies watch true blood, hehe)


But as far as the watchmen, my friend in HS, a real comic nerd, made me read it, I liked the story but the characters remind me of the comics from the 60's-70's that you see in the bargain bin (I know the characters are actually based on those lame comics, that's the point of the story) but you got to figure this story was controversial in the late 80's with American audiences. I read it in the early 90's, I had a Japanese friend who showed me Fist of the North Star, which blew me away. I wasn't fased by the watchmen like older people were. But did you ever see the live action FOTNS with down town Julie Brown? Can you say lame?

The watchmen could be one of the best adaptations ever but they need to punch it up the same way that Wolverine needs to be punched up to a swearing bad ... .... who smokes and drinks and will shank you with his Freddy claws.

Seriously Doc, you aren't into Wolverine but you're into the Owl?

As far as American comics are concerned Wolverine is the greatest anti hero ever created, and yes Doc he's more bad ... then the Comedian!

I don't know about that KSoundKrew, the Comedian had a much larger psychological impact on me than Wolverine. Yes I grew up with Wolverine and I think he's awesome if a little overdone. But the Comedian is a really chilling character due to his lack of morals and despite that in some cases considered one of the "good guys."

He's more complex. Hero and moral reprobate in one. Fighting crime and shotgunning the mother of his child? If badass makes a chill run down your spine, that's it.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

The Phoenix saga is one of the greatest x-men stories, I was ...... at X-3, I was also mad at the way they treated Rogue. (BTW if you want to see Rogues boobies watch true blood, hehe)


But as far as the watchmen, my friend in HS, a real comic nerd, made me read it, I liked the story but the characters remind me of the comics from the 60's-70's that you see in the bargain bin (I know the characters are actually based on those lame comics, that's the point of the story) but you got to figure this story was controversial in the late 80's with American audiences. I read it in the early 90's, I had a Japanese friend who showed me Fist of the North Star, which blew me away. I wasn't fased by the watchmen like older people were. But did you ever see the live action FOTNS with down town Julie Brown? Can you say lame?

The watchmen could be one of the best adaptations ever but they need to punch it up the same way that Wolverine needs to be punched up to a swearing bad ... .... who smokes and drinks and will shank you with his Freddy claws.

Seriously Doc, you aren't into Wolverine but you're into the Owl?

As far as American comics are concerned Wolverine is the greatest anti hero ever created, and yes Doc he's more bad ... then the Comedian!

i think it's how well written and multi-facted watchmen is and why i'd pick it over any wolverine comic I've ever read. although to be fair i did read the small run where wolverine is turned into a hydra agent. that was pretty sweet. i love romita jr.'s work.

but you see, there's nothing to "amp up" for the watchmen movie. the watchmen in a sense is not meant to be an action-driven testosterone fest with slow-motion and contemporary hard rock. it's a meticulous character study of the superhero complex. that's it. it's multi-layered post-modern deconstruction, not a mountain dew car commercial.

and yes, i'd prefer nite owl over wolverine any day. he's an overweight loser who wanted to play dress up and fight crime in a ridiculous owl costume - and he knows this! wolverine runs around in a silly yellow get up dressed up as a giant weasel who shouts gruffy one-liners and he is absolutely dead serious about it. at least in the astonishing x-men run by joss whedon, the character is sorta of shown for what he is - a cliche. he just sorta kills everyone while thinking "i like beer" and other such things.

while we're on the topic of great runs, i think grant morrison's run on doom patrol during the '80s is one of the best comic runs i'd read in a long time.

 

[Rorschach]

The Comedian also smokes. I bet he would smoke a Heaven's Gift Bling if the technology were available. He would probably force someone to make a gunpowder flavor for him.

That's a +1 for him.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

See the thing is I like Wolverine as an anti hero
The comedian is like Sonny Chibba in Street Fighter

I can't root for him because the charachter makes me sick

 

[K-Sound Krew]

The watchmen is about juxtaposition, they purposely have cheesy old style characters and give them a life rooted in a dark reality. That was the entire point of the GN.

The X-men comics always put humanity and social commentary first, similar to what Romero tries to do.

I’m not arguing, I see both sides of the equation, I’m on the fence over here.

I’m not arguing against the Watchmen, what I’m arguing against is Hollywood’s adaptation of the source material. There is a certain way to treat these characters and any one of us fan boys can argue against the way they should be portrayed.

For instance I’m a big fan of the horror genre, I love the Silent Hill video games, but the movie completely missed the mark.
The Watchmen movie may not have to amp it up like the Wolverine movie, but there is a certain status quoi, the bar has been set. It’s the treatment which is of the higher concern.

Anyway for both films let’s hope they learned from Iron Man, and made a film that not only was true to the source material but made it grander in a cinematic environment.

 

[Rorschach]

You know I could not really get the mechanics of the Silent Hill video games down.

The movie was not very good but it was really really gross.
And scary because third degree burns to the point where someone is just scar tissue is really creepy.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

The movie completely missed the mark, Kubrick’s version of the Shining got completely panned by the critics, you had 2 groups one group hated it because it wasn’t true to the source material and the other group considered it slow, pretentious, and boring.
The Shining is the scariest movie in my opinion; it starts with an uneasiness which slowly builds to claustrophobia; before you know it you’re trapped in a nightmare.

I love exciting American slasher’s but they don’t scare me, it’s the dark slow prodding psychological movies which scare me.

The movie Silent Hill missed the mark, part David Lynch part slasher; it got 2/3 of it right, it needed slower pacing and more psychology embedded in its scares.
It is for this reason why I love Korean horror; they take notes straight out of the Kubrick hand book.

 

[Rorschach]

I would have to agree that Kubrick's The Shining is the best horror movie I've ever seen.

Its the pure psychological terror which really sticks. I liked the Japanese Ring better than the American one even though the American one was so much slicker.

Whoa now...sorry got off topic!

 

[K-Sound Krew]

It's not that far off topic
We are talking about hollywoods treatment of source material

As far as what kind of movie the watchmen will be; the only thing we have is speculation based on other franchise

I don't think Hollywood will step up, I also hear that they are making an American version of Battle Royale, I think we all know how that will turn out

 

[Ab]

What about Sin City? I though that was pretty close to the GN or at least a good adaptation.

I guess part of the problem is that these things don't tend to be dark enough. Couple that with the fact that you are the director in a GN is probably why so there are so many haters. It's all the more sweeter then when they do nail it.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

What about Sin City?

Never read the GN, but I loved Sin City
I have the Hellboy GN's and I hate the movies
But I love Ron Pearlmen (in the name of the rose, city of lost children)

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

spielberg is making a remake of olboy starring will smith.

i'm not even joking.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

spielberg is making a remake of olboy starring will smith.

i'm not even joking.

Haha you have to be joking

If your not that is the worst idea I have ever heard


Although it would be awesome to see the fresh prince cut off his tongue, maybe he will stop rapping

 

[Rorschach]

They are making a film adaption of Foundation by Isaac Asimov.

Who "they" are I completely forgot.

But I don't know whether to jump for joy or to be depressed. I know as a kid I always wanted to see a Foundation movie.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Haha you have to be joking

If your not that is the worst idea I have ever heard


Although it would be awesome to see the fresh prince cut off his tongue, maybe he will stop rapping

no worries, he stopped rapping a long time ago.

 

[taz3cat]

Rorschach, that would be interesting if they are making making a film adaption of Foundation by Isaac Asimov. He was brilliant, first class imagination.