Who's ok with "regulation"?

[Bandit]

Here's how I see it, we might possibly be facing two paths:

1) E-cigs outlawed. Cutting off our supply, making them illegal to any degree, categorizing vapers with drug-users.

2) Regulation of juice. Raises the cost to be sure, but MAY be a way for us to still be able to vape.


I would be ok with regulation, how about you? Here's why....

First, they would not be banned. This is important to keep in mind. We may not be able to fight this war and win, especially with asshats adding prescription medication like ...... into juices... the government just won't let that slide, and that one stupid company could be the permanent downfall of this industry.

So we would be able to legally obtain hardware, accessories and juice.

Do I like the government telling me what I can and can't do? No, but that's life folks... in our everyday lives we already live with this, it would just be one more thing.

It would surely hike up the prices of everything, but as far as I've seen SOME people vape due to lower than cigarette costs, but most vape as an alternative to smoking,or to be able to quit smoking. It is a bonus that vaping is cheaper... but I don't believe it is the primary reason for the majority of us.

If it cost as much, or even a little MORE than smoking, I'd still do it. We as Americans are accustomed to paying a premium for luxuries (things we WANT as opposed to things we NEED).

I would welcome the peace of mind that comes with regulation. Knowing precisely what is in our juice, knowing it is tested to be safe. I would not drink a packaged drink shipped in from China(or anywhere) that is totally unregulated... at some point anything could be in there. Even if the juice is safe right now, mistakes can and do happen... without quality assurance testing in place, something really bad can happen.

It can and DOES happen on regulated items at times, so imagine how easily it could happen when manufacturers KNOW that there is no testing.





Do we WANT restrictions and higher costs? Of course not, but do we want vaping to be taken away from us? Do we want laws imposed that could rate PV's as drug delivery devices akin to a crack pipe? Do we want to be faced with drug laws that could land us in jail for partaking in essentially harmless vaping??

It's the lesser of two evils me thinks, but it may be our only choice in a short time

 

[surbitonPete]

Even without the health factor, the ridiculous 'cost' of smoking was just as big a reason for me to hate myself for being addicted to smoking and I still hate myself for 'wasting' all this money on vaping .....I sure don't want it to cost more. In some ways vaping actualy makes you realise how crazy it is to have an addiction.

 

[four2109]

It's the lesser of two evils me thinks, but it may be our only choice in a short time

It's not going to be a "choice".

In some ways vaping actualy makes you realise how crazy it is to have an addiction.

I'm sucking on a plastic box with a battery in it...

 

[Ellis]

I agree with you in theory Bandit.

 

[SudokuGal]

In theory, I'm not opposed to regulation...it makes sense. I'm just not sure that regulations wouldn't be well thought out. Everyone seems to think that only pre-filled cartridges would be allowed. I don't get that. If they can be tested, so can any liquid.

As far as the cost, well...it would go up and as long as it is reasonable, I wouldn't complain...too much.

 

[Talen]

Regulation will never happen. In order for juices and devices to be regulated they have to first be approved and in order to be approved they have to be extensively tested at the supplier/manufacturers expense. That testing can go into the millions and doesn't just include chemical composition testing.

Unless Phillip Morris and the like get into the game I don't see any leeway with the FDA.

 

[kinabaloo]

Quality monitoring - yes; 'regulation' - no!

 

[SudokuGal]

Quality monitoring - yes; 'regulation' - no!

Oh yeah....that's good

 

[Applejackson]

Depends on how cost restrictive "regulation" makes it. Also, with the ...... thing... first of all, it's not even actual ....... On their own site it states that they made a liquid version that can be vaporized (this does not exist in the pharmaceutical world). What they're selling is something different, so technically it's not a prescription. It also probably doesn't have the same effect. Look at .... (or ecstasy as it's commonly known). Chemically, it's only one carbon atom away from being methamphetamine, but they have completely different effects. That site that's offering ...... juice is a fluke and would be weeded out one way or another. I would guess that it probably has the same effectiveness as those "herbal ......" pills they sell at the gas station. I don't really like the idea of the federal government regulating anything, but unfortunately we (Americans) live in a plutocracy that no one is willing to overthrow or even get riled up enough to institute a change through votes. Everyone is afraid to vote anything but Republican or Democrat because it's "throwing away your vote". Yeah, it is, because of all the other sheep/idiots that say the same thing. If everyone who used that excuse actually just voted for the best candidate (not the least $hitty party out of two incredibly $hitty parties) then we wouldn't be in this horrible mess that we're in now. And I'm not just talking about e-cigs.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

The thing is that you will always find some knob that wants to vape 72mg neat and cause himself harm. That is why regulation is inevitable. Not all vapers are responsible people.

 

[JustJulie]

I do not mind the thought of regulation in terms of ensuring what manufacturers say is in the liquid is actually in the liquid . . . only that and nothing more. In other words, quality control and purity regulations, absolutely.

However, I think the reality is that any regulation that would be acceptable by the government is going to be positively onerous and expensive . . . and I have a sneaking suspicion that they'll eliminate liquid entirely (only prefilled carts) and/or drastically limit the allowable nicotine concentrations. I am firmly opposed to those types of regulations.

 

[evilpettingzoo]

Who the hell is putting ...... into their juice??

 

[Talen]

Who the hell is putting ...... into their juice??

old vapers who can't get it up i suspect...

 

[sherid]

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Unless Phillip Morris and the like get into the game I don't see any leeway with the FDA.

I believe they already are. Somewhere I read that PM had offered a deal to Ruyan that they turned down. This may change.

 

[Scaralouche]

your idea of people circumventing the ban being like druggies is a bit inflated. we could in no way be put on that same level. that would mean enforcement of a ban would fall under the DEA AND ICE. since the DEA doesnt monitor nicotine like they do for, say, oxycontin, you will not be like a druggie. nicotine isnt a schedule I or II narcotic. it would be ridiculous idea to place it in the same category as coca derivatives, opiates, or designer drugs.

no need to worry about the DEA raiding your house if you vape after the ban, IF a ban happens. i am still hopeful.

 

[surbitonPete]

Imagine if they start sending 'druggie' vapourers to prison. ........'so what you in for son' ...'they caught me vaping in public!!' .....

 

[Aaron!]

I know it's been repeated a few times, but I too would rather them regulate it than ban it all together. I plan on being nicotine free by then. I'm already vaping 8mg nic. instead of the 24 I was at before.

So when costs for e-liquid is up, I can buy it when I would like some. Like a hobby, as opposed to an addiction. Right now I still need nicotine. They raise the prices, I will eat it up. But sooner or later I won't have that crutch.

 

[djabsynth]

Who the hell is putting ...... into their juice??

the link supplied by ASH themselves (and in their Brief Amicus Curiae) is from ecig.com. the .com part makes it look like an american company, and I'm betting that's exactly what the ASHoles are hoping Judge Leon will assume. However, just click on the "Contact Us" tab and you'll see this:

Company: Cixi E-CIG Technology Inc. Ltd. Address: 145 N. Danshan Rd.
Cixi Zhejiang 315300
China Phone: +86-574-6303 6832; 6303 6932 Fax: +86-574-6303 3971

 

[Talen]

the link supplied by ASH themselves (and in their Brief Amicus Curiae) is from ecig.com. the .com part makes it look like an american company, and I'm betting that's exactly what the ASHoles are hoping Judge Leon will assume. However, just click on the "Contact Us" tab and you'll see this:

Company: Cixi E-CIG Technology Inc. Ltd. Address: 145 N. Danshan Rd.
Cixi Zhejiang 315300
China Phone: +86-574-6303 6832; 6303 6932 Fax: +86-574-6303 3971

How exactly does a .com make a company look American? The .com extension is part of the WORLD wide web and .com extensions have been available to anyone in the world as such.

 

[Kent C]

The thing is that you will always find some knob that wants to vape 72mg neat and cause himself harm. That is why regulation is inevitable. Not all vapers are responsible people.

Let Natural Selection take it's course. All regulation does is bring the responsible down to the lowest common denominator of the irresponsible. If someone really 'cares' (actually 'cares'... not just say they care so they sound morally superior to their peers) that someone who vapes 72mg nic, dies, then they are just as big an idiot. The ones that say they care to sound morally superior are bigger idiots.


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