Why are battery mods so expensive and....

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vapomike

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Why are battery mods like the chuck, prodigy, silver bullet and etc. so expensive and always have a waiting list? I just can't see spending $80+ on what amounts to a battery holder with a connector for your atty, and a switch. I know I made a thread similar to this a few days ago. Though I'm trying to get at the "Why" of it this time and not a way to skirt paying that much. If I could get a chuck, sb, or whatever shipped out tommorow with the batteries and in my mailbox in 5 business days for 80 bucks I could see that. Though not to get the batteries and be put on a waiting list is a little ludicrous for what people are charging for these things. I know I'm sounding like a cheap jerk off, but if your going to seriously profit that much off of these things then the least you could do is provide fast, reliable service, and throw in some batteries.
 

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Hmmm ...

Well ... I guess I will speak on the behalf of our mods (Prodigy/PT/Protege)

When we originally set out on our journey in to the mod world, we spent LOTS of engineering time in design and prototypes (American Man Power = Money). That is why the Prodigy originally had a price tag of $139 for a full kit.

Next up, was the USBpass .... This has really been a thorn in my side for several reasons! We have made MANY MANY revisions throughout the first production run, thus resulting in higher production costs. She was originally priced at $29.99 ... It took me about 100 sold to figure out I was upside down ... Raised the price to $39.99 and am now doing much better since revisions have stopped and I'm not paying for CAD revisions, retooling, etc... People love our PT and we can't keep it in stock. If we could, I would, but we simply don't have the manpower...

Lastly, the Protege. The Protege (piece for piece) actually costs MORE than a single Prodigy to manufacturer, however, the engineering behind it, was almost next to nothing. Materials used - we went from aluminum to stainless steel. Not only does the SS cost a bit more, but toolings take a beating and you tend to go through them roughly 3 times as fast. Even with that, we were still able to really bring down the price to $89.99 :)

With production #'s going up ... engineering time coming down, and assembly time 10 times faster than what it was at the start, we are able to price things much lower!!!

Trust me when I tell you, the margins selling Chinese Ecigs are MUCH better than selling USA Made PV's ... I have done both now for 15 months ... I hate not having stock all the time, but knowing I am shipping a quality USA built PV to consumers who will hopefully love it and appreciate the time spent on each one, makes up for it!

perhaps not the info or answer you were seeking ... just sharing what my reality was and is ... :)
 

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Some of the tools that it takes to make them are not very cheap. Also with that comes along training to use those tools to produce them. If you wanted to get a design made of one it's going to cost you big bucks, and also there normally is a min order which isn't that cheap to produce them.

I'm sure those guys would love them to be out the door the day you order. Yet the demand for them is very high which causes delays in them getting out the door.
 

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Most of the modders on here don't do this for a living. They have regular jobs and mod in their spare time, taking time away from their families to do this for me. I don't mind waiting for this reason. They are providing me with something that I cannot make. I have plenty of nicosticks. I can make those. But I love the look of the Chuck and the way Jeff is willing to personalize it for me makes the price and wait worthwhile. Yes, it is just a battery holder, but damn, it will look great when I'm on my Harley vaping away with a big smile on my face.
 

vapomike

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I understand... I thought the mods were chinese also, except for the chuck thing. I'm just very impatient and a sucker for instant gratification.

Wasn't looking for any specific answer cashmere. You have provided me some very good insight on this. I really just wanted an explanation, but no offense I'm just going to tear apart my flashlight. I'll take another hard look at the prodigy since it is USA built. :)
 

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Wasn't looking for any specific answer cashmere. You have provided me some very good insight on this. I really just wanted an explanation, but no offense I'm just going to tear apart my flashlight. I'll take another hard look at the prodigy since it is USA built. :)

Go for building a mod yourself bud ... The gratification of building something yourself is AMAZING !!!!!! Not only that, but you building it, allows you to fix it quite easily. Keep atty's and juice stocked, and you're golden!!!

Good luck bud ...

you could make yer own! or ask someone to make you one?

exactly ... give it a shot yourself vapo ... doesn't hurt to try :)
 

Casey C

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Why are battery mods like the chuck, prodigy, silver bullet and etc. so expensive and always have a waiting list? I just can't see spending $80+ on what amounts to a battery holder with a connector for your atty, and a switch. I know I made a thread similar to this a few days ago. Though I'm trying to get at the "Why" of it this time and not a way to skirt paying that much. If I could get a chuck, sb, or whatever shipped out tommorow with the batteries and in my mailbox in 5 business days for 80 bucks I could see that. Though not to get the batteries and be put on a waiting list is a little ludicrous for what people are charging for these things. I know I'm sounding like a cheap jerk off, but if your going to seriously profit that much off of these things then the least you could do is provide fast, reliable service, and throw in some batteries.

agreed

Hmmm ...
Well ... I guess I will speak on the behalf of our mods (Prodigy/PT/Protege)

thinking of getting a protege.. considering its SS and its lower price it seems like a good value.. plus its not ridiculously large..
 

Dave Rickey

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Speaking as someone who is trying to make the transition from simply putting stuff together he wants to use to making something he can sell: It's not easy to come up with something that looks worth paying for, that can be made at a consistent quality and cost, will be reliable enough that your reputation won't take a hit because it's breaking down on the buyers, and so on.

Building a battery-puck Nico-Stick, pretty easy; Building the Janty Stick, not so easy. Turning a flashlight into a Magnum you can give to your friend, fairly easy; Turning out something as comparatively pretty as the Prodigy/Protege is a lot harder.

Beyond that: My first ePipe prototype had a materials cost of $20, but if you value the time I put into it at minimum wage, it cost me a couple of hundred dollars. The second had a materials cost of $40, and a manpower equivalent cost of about $30 (4 hours work, roughly). The next one, intended to be my last before starting to sell them, will probably have a materials cost of around $60, but require only an hour of labor, and it's essentially a wash (at minimum wage, I came out $2-3 ahead). Get the picture? I'm trading materials cost for labor cost, and I'm hitting the point of diminishing returns, there won't be much labor to be saved by spending more on materials or tools. To make the pipes better, I'll either have to charge more, or sell enough that my materials costs come down (because it's a lot cheaper per unit to order 100 switches than 5).

Beyond that, because it's just me in a garage, there's a bunch of overhead I don't need to worry about. Nobody is going to report my OSHA violations, so I don't need detailed safety plans. If I cut off a finger, I'm not going to file a Workman's Comp claim. I'm under the radar for zoning, so I don't have to pay rent on an industrial space. The list goes on. As soon as I actually start having employees, I have to deal with all of that stuff, and a couple of dozen others as well. Overhead costs go way up, I start needing to hire people to keep me inside of the regulations I'm required to follow with the other people. My profits on each unit I sell can go down (or even negative) simply because getting it made and sold incurs increases in overhead.

I also start looking like an attractive target to sue, if something goes wrong. I need lawyers, shrink-wrap liability waivers, my design will have to get rebuilt (more cost of materials) by real engineers (more overhead) and submitted to UL so I can get insurance, and so on.

Making mods is a fun way to scratch the DIY itch. Making money from mods is a whole different game.

--Dave
 
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