Well, this is one where you'll never convince a statist. What would we do with all those lovely taxes apart from interfering with people's lives for their own good?
Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?
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Well, this is one where you'll never convince a statist. What would we do with all those lovely taxes apart from interfering with people's lives for their own good?
Well, this is one where you'll never convince a statist. What would we do with all those lovely taxes apart from interfering with people's lives for their own good?
The circle is now complete.
LOL.
I bought on a whim then spent months trying to work out what I was doing wrong.
Nobody has repeated their study, avoiding the known flaws, and found the same results. Conversely, there is *a massive* pile of data proving that passive smoking is significantly harmful. It's just not disputed any more. Even the tobacco companies admit it now, I believe.
The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General | SurgeonGeneral.gov
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LOL.
I bought on a whim then spent months trying to work out what I was doing wrong.
Yeah, I bought an overpriced 510 kit and an overpriced Ego kit.
To my credit, I did it online, and they weren't *that* overpriced.
To my shame, I already knew about this place, and could easily have spent a few more days researching and realised there wasn't much point. I think I was mostly just caught up in the excitement of thinking "This might actually work!" after trying the disposables...
This is exactly the way of thinking that will make it a law.
Is there a reason you only quoted part of my post?
Sorry, but from what I'm seeing (and honestly, I don't see any point of wading any deeper into these murky waters) it's a case of 'believe whatever you want to believe' - because whatever the truth is, nobody out there is telling it.
When the scientific community the world over has a general consensus on something, regardless of the country they're from, then I think I'd be safer listening to them then to two guys who were paid by a corporation who has already been proven to lie about the dangers of FIRST hand smoke, let alone second.
Yes, BT has been bludgeoned into line and now kowtows to the Government pukes. They are now just another wheel in the machine. Look, there is plenty of phoney baloney ANTZ materials, too. These flawed, hogwash-filled quasi studies grossly overstate the dangers of second hand smoke. Are there real dangers? Yes, I believe there are.
I believe the study is flawed and should not be used as reference material to "prove" second hand smoke is "safe". It isn't good enough, and its methodology is clearly flawed. If we run around citing this as our standard, it makes us look foolish. On this much, I agree with the Statist, even though I believe he paints the authors unfairly.
It was the only part I had an issue with
And no - it'll become a law because vapers allow it to become a law. There's already moves under way to prevent you from vaping responsibly where you think it's appropriate - stealth vaping, vaping only where smoking is permitted won't prevent that. All it's doing is telling the public that vapers are the same as smokers.
+2 Internets for me, seeing the title - and automatically knowing who would be posting and how they would be doing it.
as far as the OP - ignorance and greed.
I was at a card game the other night, vaping happily (per the host's permission) ..and some dude that works at Home Depot got all frothed up, saying how he is the head of the "anti-vaping policy" at his store and how if he sees anybody doing it, he kicks them out (bull****).
I pressed him about why, and it was clear that he was completely ignorant on the subject - and was simply towing the company line. He's also a smoker, so he was probably jealous that he had to go outside for a smoke, while I didn't.
as far as the OP - ignorance and greed.
I was at a card game the other night, vaping happily (per the host's permission) ..and some dude that works at Home Depot got all frothed up, saying how he is the head of the "anti-vaping policy" at his store and how if he sees anybody doing it, he kicks them out (bull****).
I pressed him about why, and it was clear that he was completely ignorant on the subject - and was simply towing the company line. He's also a smoker, so he was probably jealous that he had to go outside for a smoke, while I didn't.
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Ummmm... Sure...
That's why mankind went extinct in the 1950s when pretty much everyone was smoking everywhere...
It's a road without end Tinkiegrrl - the deeper you dig, the more you end up questioning both sides - they're equally guilty of manipulating the results to get statistics that benefit their own agendas.
+2 Internets for me, seeing the title - and automatically knowing who would be posting and how they would be doing it.
as far as the OP - ignorance and greed.
I was at a card game the other night, vaping happily (per the host's permission) ..and some dude that works at Home Depot got all frothed up, saying how he is the head of the "anti-vaping policy" at his store and how if he sees anybody doing it, he kicks them out (bull****).
I pressed him about why, and it was clear that he was completely ignorant on the subject - and was simply towing the company line. He's also a smoker, so he was probably jealous that he had to go outside for a smoke, while I didn't.
Hey, I thought me and GM (and Aegis) were playing really nice! That has to surprise you just a little, does it not?
Well, I take it from the speed of your response that you didn't read the whole report
If you haven't glanced through it, do so. It's considered one of the most authoritative documents there is on the subject, and it's interesting for several reasons - the risk of cancer is probably much lower than most people would think, but the impact on the heart is startling.
Well, I take it from the speed of your response that you didn't read the whole report
If you haven't glanced through it, do so. It's considered one of the most authoritative documents there is on the subject, and it's interesting for several reasons - the risk of cancer is probably much lower than most people would think, but the impact on the heart is startling.
Nobody is gonna read that state sponsored propaganda, GM...it is soooo dull...
...like your claws, getting worn down by handling too many fiberglass filters.
First, the claws get dull...
Then, before you know it....
I agree, but unfortonately they are part of this forum too, and there are no rules in place to prevent them from being here, so we have to include them in "us".
And, since they are the ones out in public being confrontational, guess what all of "us" are going to look like in the eyes of the general public?
I recently posted a thread requsting a couple rules be put into place to keep these types of behavior from getting out of control, but my thread was not only ridiculed by many and closed, but every trace of it has been deleted.
I'm still going to post my opinions on things, but it seems pretty useless to get upset over any of this stuff anymore if nothing is going to get done about it.
JMHO.
My brothers! Amassing for the revolution!
(and not an elastic band in sight... we aren't terribly fond of them)
Well, I take it from the speed of your response that you didn't read the whole report
If you haven't glanced through it, do so. It's considered one of the most authoritative documents there is on the subject, and it's interesting for several reasons - the risk of cancer is probably much lower than most people would think, but the impact on the heart is startling.
Well observed
but I read enough to see that any observations made by those two should be treated with a healthy dose of scepticism.As I mentioned to Tinkiegrrl, it's a minefield - the more you look the more damning statistics you'll find from both sides. And since I'm rather more interested in the health effects of vaping than I am those of smoking, I'll simply say that in my opinion both sides of the anti/smoking argument seem equally untrustworthy. Luckily we only have to deal with the anti-smoking liars
It had calmed down a bit right before you came in. This time.
I poke - but I credit everyone here with helping me on this journey. Milestone today - 1,000 cigs not smoked. BOOM.
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