Why are people so defensive on this site?

[loggerhead]

Sooner or later something is going to get you--

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[Confusednoobie]

Solid blocks of text are very hard for some people to read online. Perhaps they are not understanding your questions?

Ok- thanks. I will try that

 

[Mad Scientist]

... Also I specifically want to avoid artificial sweeteners and believe that should be noted also as an ingredient but they are not able/or will not provide that information. So that makes me wonder about their great reputation and quality assurance and was just hoping to get some information or thoughts from others. ...

Look, vaping means inhaling stuff that ends up in your bloodstream. If you want some sort of safety assurance, odds are its best you just don't inhale stuff that ends up in your bloodstream. If your NM new age-y self has a bunch of allergies and you want to avoid artificial stuff, best to not inhale the vapor from God knows what's in it, and you will be all hippy happy.

Cigarettes are "proven" harmful. Choose your alternatives and live with the consequences. If you really, really want to know exactly what's in it, make it yourself.

Tell you what, pick up a can of cola, read the ingredients, and tell me based on that if anything in it is harmful. Unless you are a chemist and phd biologist, mixed with some clairvoyance, you won't have any idea.

 

[Leithan]

Thank you.

I am using the JC juices- they say they make everything from scratch there in their labs- but then they caution people with nut allergies not to use their juices as they may have nut-based ingredients or may have been processed in a facility that processes nuts.

That is confusing and contradictory- aren't the smoke juices processed in their facility and wouldn't they know if they are using nut based ingredients? And if THAT is not considered one of their "seven simple ingredients" what else is in there that is not on the ingredient list they provide?

Also I specifically want to avoid artificial sweeteners and believe that should be noted also as an ingredient but they are not able/or will not provide that information. So that makes me wonder about their great reputation and quality assurance and was just hoping to get some information or thoughts from others.

Instead, I got: if you don't like the JC product don't buy it. Thanks. Very helpful.

Do to the deadly nature of nut alergies, any product manufactured for human consumption must state this, if they source ingredients from a source that also handles nuts.........This statement is on a lot of food products. They don't serve peanuts on flights anymore because the smell alone is enough to trigger allergic reactions in some people. Again, I think they gave you the best advice, don't like it, don't vape it.
And it's not "Smoke" juices, it's vapor. Again, did being ignorant of the ingredients stop you from reaching for another cig? The only sure way to know whats going into your juice is to make it your self. Other wise "you pays your money, you takes your chances".

 

[glasseye]

Thank you.

I am using the JC juices- they say they make everything from scratch there in their labs- but then they caution people with nut allergies not to use their juices as they may have nut-based ingredients or may have been processed in a facility that processes nuts.

That is confusing and contradictory- aren't the smoke juices processed in their facility and wouldn't they know if they are using nut based ingredients? And if THAT is not considered one of their "seven simple ingredients" what else is in there that is not on the ingredient list they provide?

Also I specifically want to avoid artificial sweeteners and believe that should be noted also as an ingredient but they are not able/or will not provide that information. So that makes me wonder about their great reputation and quality assurance and was just hoping to get some information or thoughts from others.

Instead, I got: if you don't like the JC product don't buy it. Thanks. Very helpful.

"From scratch" can have different meanings. If you make a blueberry pie do you grow and pick the berries, mill your own flour grown from your own wheat, milk the cows and churn your own butter? Most likely not. People buy the ingredients, put them together in a way that's pleasing and call it "from scratch". I seriously doubt that they are making their own nicotine solutions from tobacco leaves that they have grown and process their own flavorings. Same, same, no?

If they are buying their flavorings and they are made in a facility they have no hands-on knowledge of, would it not be advisable to warn against possible allergens just in case? They may also have no hands-on knowledge whether or not their supplier(s) of flavors used sweeteners. They SHOULD be able to tell you if they use their own.

And if you don't mind, do you have any articles or anything stating that the artificial sweeteners turn toxic under heat? I'd be very interested to know the temperatures this occurs.

BTW- Rereading that it could be construed as being argumentative or possibly defensive, but it wasn't meant that way. I'm just trying to make the point that some things are proprietary and you, I, and your e-liquid makers aren't likely to find out 100%.

 

[Confusednoobie]

I just went and read nearly all your posts and the subsequent responses. Nowhere did i find anyone (besides you) being confrontational or defensive in ANY of their posts/replies to you.

If anything the VAST majority of the people on this board seem nothing but friendly, helpful, and willing to bend over backwards to help inform people and further the e-cig dialog.

Just because everyone doesn't clamor to automatically agree with your alarmist issues with e-cigs and the few chemicals (or theoretical chemicals) we MAY be coming into contact with, does not make them defensive.

The key point remains, no matter how you look at it the 'unknowns' regarding chemicals in e-cigs certainly seem to outweight the 'knowns' regarding regular death sticks.

It must be my technical training and background- I have been a pharmacist for 35 years and I am used to the patient package inserts that mention every possible detail.

So I suppose I am used to that kind of completeness and precision and do not see it as "alarmist" but rather as being informed.

I guess it does not occur to me that asking questions prior to using a product is being "alarmist"- I feel the exact same way about pharmaceuticals and approach THEM in precisely the same way- with caution- and I counsel all my patients as thoroughly as I can so that they know as much as they can and minimize their risk of suffering an adverse reaction.

 

[March 23 2013]

Welcome to the wonderful world of lawyers.

Sounds to me like maybe they started the lab in a facility they have absolutely no idea what was there before hand, hence the fancy wording.

And that they do use nut based juices (NOT ALL), so maybe asking about a SPECIFIC JUICE might help your quest.

I'm vaping simply because i now can run my legs out before my lungs at any sport, (GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME)

I understand your confusion and have come to a conclusion to pick a specific company, specific flavor and call them with specific questions. I bet you would get a pretty direct answer.

If you call a company that makes a 200 juices i bet they put the sand grit from the beaches of the amazon after a HAIL STORM in at least one of them.

I could be wrong but i have yet to see the "VAPING WORLD" hiding anything.

I to have some of your questions unanswered so i now DIY, and it is fun too.

VAPIN OUT

 

[Crash Moses]

Thank you.

I am using the JC juices- they say they make everything from scratch there in their labs- but then they caution people with nut allergies not to use their juices as they may have nut-based ingredients or may have been processed in a facility that processes nuts.

This is called a disclaimer and it is a common one in the food industry. It simply means that they don't control the entire supply chain and there is a possibility of contamination somewhere along the line prior to them receiving the ingredients they use to make their e-liquid.

That is confusing and contradictory- aren't the smoke juices processed in their facility and wouldn't they know if they are using nut based ingredients? And if THAT is not considered one of their "seven simple ingredients" what else is in there that is not on the ingredient list they provide?

See above.

Also I specifically want to avoid artificial sweeteners and believe that should be noted also as an ingredient but they are not able/or will not provide that information. So that makes me wonder about their great reputation and quality assurance and was just hoping to get some information or thoughts from others.

Instead, I got: if you don't like the JC product don't buy it. Thanks. Very helpful.

What, specifically, did they say when you asked if their e-liquid contained artificial sweeteners? Either they were not able to say (as in, "we don't know") or wouldn't say (as in, "we're not going to tell you"). Which one was it?

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Thank you.

I am using the JC juices- they say they make everything from scratch there in their labs- but then they caution people with nut allergies not to use their juices as they may have nut-based ingredients or may have been processed in a facility that processes nuts.

That is confusing and contradictory- aren't the smoke juices processed in their facility and wouldn't they know if they are using nut based ingredients? And if THAT is not considered one of their "seven simple ingredients" what else is in there that is not on the ingredient list they provide?

Also I specifically want to avoid artificial sweeteners and believe that should be noted also as an ingredient but they are not able/or will not provide that information. So that makes me wonder about their great reputation and quality assurance and was just hoping to get some information or thoughts from others.

Instead, I got: if you don't like the JC product don't buy it. Thanks. Very helpful.

The prosecution rests.

 

[AgentAnia]

If one insists on absolute safety and absolute knowledge of every ingredient in every substance one consumes -- orally or nasally or otherwise -- one is doomed to a lifetime of anxiety and frustration and failure and probably very little empathy from people like me who have better things to worry about.

:goin' for a vape:

 

[StereoDreamer]

So Why are people on this forum so defensive and even hostile when someone asks about what is in smoke juice?

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means...

 

[Boyz-Mom]

I read that you are vaping zero nicotine juice. If you are not addicted to the nicotine why vape if you don't have to? My goal is to drop down to zero and then quit but keep it around for high stress or drinking situations so I don't get tempted to pick up a cigarette. I have quit many many times only to fall off the wagon. It is a healthier alternative to smoking but if you don't have to don't do it.

 

[Confusednoobie]

Look, vaping means inhaling stuff that ends up in your bloodstream. If you want some sort of safety assurance, odds are its best you just don't inhale stuff that ends up in your bloodstream. If your NM new age-y self has a bunch of allergies and you want to avoid artificial stuff, best to not inhale the vapor from God knows what's in it, and you will be all hippy happy.

Cigarettes are "proven" harmful. Choose your alternatives and live with the consequences. If you really, really want to know exactly what's in it, make it yourself.

Tell you what, pick up a can of cola, read the ingredients, and tell me based on that if anything in it is harmful. Unless you are a chemist and phd biologist, mixed with some clairvoyance, you won't have any idea.

It is well known what the harmful ingredients in a can of cola are-

 

[Confusednoobie]

I read that you are vaping zero nicotine juice. If you are not addicted to the nicotine why vape if you don't have to? My goal is to drop down to zero and then quit but keep it around for high stress or drinking situations so I don't get tempted to pick up a cigarette. I have quit many many times only to fall off the wagon. It is a healthier alternative to smoking but if you don't have to don't do it.

My detailed reply seems to have disappeared- I just like the action of smoking- the hand to mouth- the exhaling vapor and always bought flavors- clove, vanilla or cherry mini cigars etc. I find the action enjoyable but the smell, nasty tobacco taste and health issues kept me from taking it up. I smoked if under stress at work or to relax on my patio or when camping out. Vaping seems like a nice alternative- flavors but no tobacco or nicotine. I don't inhale actually- just keep it in my mouth and exhale- did that with cigarettes too, actually when I did smoke on occasion.

 

[Leithan]

It is well known what the harmful ingredients in a can of cola are-

And you have a choice not to drink it......................Why am I starting to get the feeling that Iv been feeding the Trolls.

 

[Confusednoobie]

I've seen some vendors begin disclosing liquid ingredients on bottles .. it will require a magnifying glass to read, but they are there ..

Claiming the OP is trolling does not seem to be a very productive way to answer what are likely legit questions ..

And lastly, to the OP .. ECF is lightweight and gentle even in a worst case when compared to many, many other Forums .. sometimes life requires a thick skin ..

What is the OP? Thanks

 

[Confusednoobie]

And you have a choice not to drink it......................Why am I starting to get the feeling that Iv been feeding the Trolls.

I was just answering the question you posed honestly- that is why I do not need to ask about the ingredients in cola- because it is well known or researchable.

 

[Confusednoobie]

I'm sorry, but they're not legitimate questions because if you read the OP's post history, it's clear that these kinds of questions never get answered to their satisfaction. Anyone who knows what's in e-liquid knows that aside from the nicotine, you and the people around you will ingest, inhale or topically apply many times more of the stuff that's in our juice.

They have been for decades, with no documented ill affects other than those caused by normal, human allergic reactions in cases that are quite rare.

These are the same kinds of folks who think that 9/11 was an inside job, that the Federal Reserve is in cahoots with the Tripartite thingie to hoard all of the gold supplies in the world, that Bill Clinton peddled/imported drugs from Mena, Arkansas, that genetically modified foods are a conspiracy to make us all sick, that the Apollo 11 mission was filmed in Hollywood. They see conspiracies, secrets and black helicopters everywhere they go.

They always have questions and refuse to accept even the best answers given. Give them answers and all they do is come up with the same questions, worded differently. Then they accuse you of being defensive.

They've been around since I hosted a FidoNet node back in the early 1990's. Ever since Al Gore invented the internet and automagically gave them World Wide Web access, they've gotten even greater access to the information they crave to feed their fears and to create all of those Rube Goldberg concoctions of ways that imaginary bad guys can make them hurt.

The best/worst troll is a troll that doesn't know he's a troll.

The best place to send these folks is...

Crayon Physics Deluxe

Keeps'em busy for days.

No- not any of those conspiracy theorists- except for GMO foods- Monsanto did not have the foresight to predict superweeds or cross pollination with organic crops or the impact on the world of killing off all the bees.

 

[Wow1420]

What is the OP? Thanks

OP is original post or original poster (thread starter)

 

[zapped]

Might be your use of the appellation "Smoke juice" for starters.

It pays to take the time to read a couple dozen posts and learn the appropriate jargon before posting and setting someones teeth on edge right from the very beginning.