Why aren't genesis-style atomizers more popular?

[Completely Average]

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I've tried these giant clearo's they just don't match the flavor to me. I always get the arguments- but my dripper can, but my tank can.......... Then I tell these folks, yea, but can it with 5 simple wraps of wire at 15 watts? Or do you need power/extreme coil builds?.

With the Squape Reloaded my answer would be YES.

In fact, I've yet to find anything that is as easy to build on as a Squape Reloaded. The flavor is fantastic, and it has an adjustable airflow ring that clicks and locks into place with 6 holes ranging from .9mm all the way up to 3.1mm so it can do the flavor chasing tight draw or big cloud lung hits equally as well. It also has swappable decks with everything from a wide deck for thick juice/big cotton wicks to a dual coil deck with separate air holes and separate juice channels for each coil to a dripper deck where the deck is a little cup with juice feeding into the sides and you pack it with wick just like an RDA.

Because of the swappable decks and huge array of airflow adjustment options it really can produce fantastic flavor or huge clouds. It can subohm, single or dual coil, or act as a dripper. The decks are all non-conductive and have guide grooves that make coil placement and attachment nearly fool proof. It's literally the easiest thing I've ever built on. The deck can be removed while the tank is still full and I can rewick a coil in under 3 minutes on it. I could even do it one handed.

You can even use a mesh wick in one.

And unlike a genni, you can turn it on it's side or upside down without it leaking. In fact, you turn it upside down to remove the deck while the tank is full to prevent leaking.

 

[rodeero]

Building a gennie set-up is way too time consuming in my opinion, and I wasn't floored with the overall results enough to incorporate it into my daily vaping regimen. Guess you can say I'm of the instant gratification variety or just plain lazy. Likely a bit of both, but it is what it is...

 

[Thrasher]

I had a squape, it worked well. Even did try a mesh wick. That coating is slick. Had it about a month and put it in the classie's there was always something I could never quite put my finger on about it I didn't like. Was still an excellent tank though

 

[zoiDman]

I don't usually bother with forums, but I'm truly perplexed by this. the difference between drippers and tanks - i've done a ton of research and have learned the pros and cons of each very well. the main difference is flavor and convenience; drippers are best for flavor but are inconvenient because you have to drip them and they can leak if on their side. tanks are obviously more convenient. there are many, myself definitely included, who are seeking the best of both worlds, but when i look at the available products on the market im perplexed by the choices of rta's and gennies. i learn that rta's arent as flavorful as drippers (in genereal) because the limited build size and the distance it has to travel, up from under the tank, to get to the mouth. not to mention, it seems like the airflow on the majority of rta's are limited, which i dont understand why. so then i think, ok, so if i really want the best of both worlds, i want the chamber on top and the tank on bottom, which leads me to the very obscure world of gennies. first question: why is it thought that builds on gennies have to be done with mesh and a "gapped" coil? second: why in the heck havent other people figured out that the overall style of these atomizers (chamber on top, tank on bottom) is the best configuration to get the flavor from a dripper and still have a tank. and why arent there more attys out there that use this configuration with the more popular micro and macro coils and a cotton wick? I know that there are people out there who do use cotton and "gapless" horizontal and vertical coils, but why is the market so devoid of them? the other thing i find with the majority, almost all, gennies is the airflow is always 2mm or less. I had to search high and low for a genesis-style atty with large airflow. finally i found the origen v2 genesis. but why? HELP ME UNDERSTAND!

I have a Kraken (Loved it), a Pulse-G (Loved It) and an RSST(its was Good). They all seemed to be Great. And I was Very Happy with them. I'm more into Flavor than Anything else. And a Low Wattage Vaper as compared to Many.

But then I Caved It with all the Hype over the Kanger Subtank Mini and Bought one.

From my First Tank on the Subtank Mini with the RBA Section, I think I have used my Kraken and Pulse-G about 5 Times. And my RSST has gone to the PIF Pile.

It isn't that the Kraken or Pulse-G are Bad. They are Not. But the Subtank Mini in RBA just gives me More of what I am Looking For. And Rebuilding the RBA in the Mini is So Simple.

 

[NealBJr]

The only way to get AGA-T2 to work was with spacers at the plus-pole.
EVEN then it was too tight draw causing easily flooding.
It could be done, but the stars had to aligned right.
For me ss cable made gennies way easier to work with.


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The AGA draw from an AGA-T2 had nothing to do with how it wicked. Pretty much the deck was a hole in the bottom into a reservoir.. the airhole was a small hole filled on the side. The draw had no bearing on if it flooded or not.. the juice control was solely based on how well the juice was wicked upwards. Of course, you could aid it by tipping the tank slightly upsideown, It worked on the same wicking principal as the old stardust/CE4 clearomizers.... back then, the wick was needed to pull the juice up.

too tight of a draw will flood current bottom coil atomizers, or atomizers that rely on a vaccum like the Kayfun. But Genesis atomziers could only get help by vaping "gangsta style" I've never heard of a genesis style atomzier flooding... I googled it to see if it was even possible, and it seems some guy named Noah survived it.

 

[NealBJr]

I have a Kraken (Loved it), a Pulse-G (Loved It) and an RSST(its was Good). They all seemed to be Great. And I was Very Happy with them. I'm more into Flavor than Anything else. And a Low Wattage Vaper as compared to Many.

But then I Caved It with all the Hype over the Kanger Subtank Mini and Bought one.

From my First Tank on the Subtank Mini with the RBA Section, I think I have used my Kraken and Pulse-G about 5 Times. And my RSST has gone to the PIF Pile.

It isn't that the Kraken or Pulse-G are Bad. They are Not. But the Subtank Mini in RBA just gives me More of what I am Looking For. And Rebuilding the RBA in the Mini is So Simple.

I was wanting a Kraken. I have moved away from Geni's.. But I guess for Nostalgic reasons I want to build a successfull build on one. It's part of that "Never give up" type mentality.

 

[Thrasher]

Well in genis they didn't call it flooding it was referred to as overwicking. And t could fill up the topcap no problem.

I couldn't seem to get the Prometheus to stop doing it.

 

[NealBJr]

Well in genis they didn't call it flooding it was referred to as overwicking. And t could fill up the topcap no problem.

I couldn't seem to get the Prometheus to stop doing it.

Ahh.. Ok. Maybe that was my problem... not enough wick.

 

[zoiDman]

I was wanting a Kraken. I have moved away from Geni's.. But I guess for Nostalgic reasons I want to build a successfull build on one. It's part of that "Never give up" type mentality.

The Kraken is a Great RBA.

I'm not a Big Believer of Promoting Clones. But I don't Believe that the Kraken is made anymore.

So for Eleven Dollars and Fifty Two cents you can Satisfy your Nostalgic desire...

$11.52 Kraken Genesis Styled Rebuildable Atomizer (2.5mL) - glass tank / stainless steel / air flow control at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

BTW - A 4.5 Star Rating with 844 Reviews is about as Good as it Gets.

 

[Thrasher]

The kraken is a tasty Lil Atty. I think I practically melted mine down binging on caramel

 

[zoiDman]

The kraken is a tasty Lil Atty. I think I practically melted mine down binging on caramel

Yeah... I cut my Teeth on that Bad Boy.

Worked Great. But Looked Good Also. I like Atties that Look Good.

 

[Thrasher]

Here's my top dog, q z I Megatron, they also made the Atty as 510 and I even scooped up spares out of the classies.
2x3 mm airholes with adjustment
Will rip 3 ml in about 10 min chain vaping.

As per hill giants review, only one way to describe it " oh sweet Jesus"

And my second fave, the dome can even do quad wick if you want to drill extra holes.
Has an awesome vape temp control in the cap that actually works

And here's what I'm dying to get.
The petark vapor fusion
Adjustable on the fly top cap space.
Dripper or genesis, tunable fire button from vacuum smooth to ultra clicky.

Genesis may not be popular but the attys and hybrids aren't stagnent either that are still continually redesigning them for better performance.

Long gone are the zen Atty days of here's your hole in the deck and a hole in the cap and it is what it is.

 

[Thrasher]

The one that eludes me like a ghost the art of exhale hydra Ti.
Still considered one of the best

On a side note - part of the problem with popularity, and this is a big part, is most of the kicka## geni are not cheap and never cloned, when they are they may work but many do suck compared to the original, severely limiting what the average vapor is exposed to.

Using the limited clone selection where most are just really OK and some are really horrible ( aqua clone im looking at you) leads people to believe meh this is ok but I've had better, and also wondering- what are these other guys raving about.

And honestly I don't care what you do to an RSST it ain't never going to match an origen or aqua.and I really can't blaim anyone for not trying them since you can't really get clones ( I think the origen finally showed up recently on FT)

 

[NealBJr]

And honestly I don't care what you do to an RSST it ain't never going to match an origen or aqua.and I really can't blaim anyone for not trying them since you can't really get clones

I have an origin and Aqua clone... I remember posting about the aerodynamics of the Aqua after I tried to rebuild it time and time again in frustration. I finally got it to work, and used it for a month.. then shelved it... too small of an airflow.. too tricky to refill it. However, I do still have my Aqua/origen clone (in hybrid mode), with the magnetic switch upgrade. There's only one reason I use it now.... to take it to amusement parks. It's the one atomizer I don't mind taking on a rollercoaster... it's solid steel, no glass, solid locking... just not enough juice and a pain to build.

 

[Thrasher]

Origen is also an atomizer both dripper and a geni. They rock I have the origen v2 dripper and love it.want a v3 now

 

[NealBJr]

Origen is also an atomizer both dripper and a geni. They rock I have the origen v2 dripper and love it.want a v3 now

Doh, forgot about that.. got Origen and Origin mixed up... but when you started talking Aqua..... I started thinking of the Origin.. they went hand in hand.

 

[Thrasher]

I got the aqua clone after watching a review of the real one, man did they f that one up was gonna use it as a golf ball off the seawall behind my apt lol

 

[Martnargh]

I went through a genny phase and while flavor is crisp and unparalleled imo its short lived.
Nothing beats a giant plume of custardy goodness, for me. Plus i prefer a warm to hot vape. So clearly rdas are where its at, for me.
Some like to sip, i like to chug.
An rda coiled and wicked right is not that far off from the mesh screen or ceramic setup a genny provides as far ad flavor goes anyway.
To make a long answer short, its old tech. Some people get stuck in the past, criticizing modernization or evolution. Its why all those old dudes kept going to those kiss reunions and why people like 80s music.

 

[Asbestos4004]

that petarK rig is gorgeous. Funny how some folks get "popular" and "quality" mixed up

 

[Completely Average]

I had a squape, it worked well. Even did try a mesh wick. That coating is slick. Had it about a month and put it in the classie's there was always something I could never quite put my finger on about it I didn't like. Was still an excellent tank though

Did you have the original Squape, or the Squape Reloaded?

I can think of several things I didn't like about the original Squape. Every single one of them was corrected with the Reloaded though. Airflow adjustment was greatly improved with the clicking ball bearing and ring, the swappable decks were a HUGE improvement that made it far more flexible in different build styles and preferences, the tank was changed from the polycarbonate plastic to glass, you could get the taller standard drip tip or a shorter wide bore drip tip, increased tank capacity, optional mini 3ml tank if you want to make it shorter, optional bell cap tank if you want an entirely clear tank, the Reloaded is like an entirely different RTA from the original Squape.

For me the swappable decks was a real game changer and I cannot believe no one else has copied it. It means the same RTA can be built using radically different coil and wick setups which is impossible on pretty much every other RTA/RDA on the market. For example, there are many RBAs that can use single or dual coils, but only the Squape R has the option of a single air hole and single set of juice channels for the single coil and two air holes and two sets of juice channels for the dual coil. That makes a HUGE difference, especially when it comes to feeding juice to a dual coil build on an RBA that isn't specifically built for dual coils. Or having the W (wide) deck for high to 100% VG juices. Don't try that in your standard Kayfun.

And wicking on all of them is just SO easy. Simply trim the wick flush with the edge of the deck and gently fluff them down into the juice channel (Except the B deck which you fill with wicking material like any RDA). Perfect wicking every single time.

B deck for dripping style...

S deck for standard microcoils and C deck for standard microcoils with a flavor wick...

W deck for high VG juices, subohm builds, and large cotton wicks...

And the D deck for dual coils...

It only takes about a minute to swap from one deck to another. Just remove the screws and pull the old deck straight out, snap the new deck back in, and put the screws back on it. There really isn't another RTA like it.