why can’t a non-smoker vape?

[minxy_fox]

I find your comments rather judgemental. Why are you a member of this forum if you don't vape? This makes no sense, regardless of your explanations.
Also, what gives you the right to say you hate people who smoke?? Every single one of us here are either still smokers or ex smokers. I find that comment offensive to say the very least. I am yet to meet a smoker who hates people who don't smoke.
You hate smokers, you don't vape, yet you say you are willing to fight for the rights of vaper. Why? What on earth could you possibly have in common with the members of this forum?

 

[minxy_fox]

Ok, perhaps I should explain myself better.

I don't hate all people who smoke. Just the selfish ones.

Some smokers have moral values. They may be killing themselves, but they are considerate to non-smokers, and avoid hurting them with second-hand smoke. A good example would be one of my friends who smokes, she always does it outside the house, away from the kids, and never in a public place.

Others are .......s who don't give a damn about others. These people smoke near their kids, around their non-smoking spouses and their pets. They smoke in public places where lots of non-smokers have to put up with their second-hand smoke. They poison the air of nightclubs and bars, leaving the people who frequent those places with compromised lungs and shortened lifespans. These smokers are horrible people, and I hope they all get lung cancer and die painful deaths.

P.S. If you used to be the second type of smoker, but have since quit, I don't hate you. You have realized the error of your ways, and decided to change and become a better person! I congradulate and respect you for that. Its not who you once were, but who you are now that matters.

OMG! I missed this particular comment. How dare you wish such a horrible thing on anyone, regardless if they are smokers or not! Do you also wish horrible deaths on heroine addicts? You are obviously a misinformed nasty person with nothing better to do than join a forum about something you know little about. If you hate smokers so much, you've definitely come to the WRONG place!!

 

[Israfil]

The end result of eating or vaping compounds like nicotine or caffiene is relatively similar, they both lead to the bloodstream. Don't remember who told me that, I do remember them being in some medical field...sorry I can't be more specific.

Edit: keep reading minxy, she's rather bad at stating what she is trying to say and exaggerates heavily but what she seems to be getting at is that she hates dickheads not smokers specifically. Personally I can think of a lot of things/people I would wish a nasty death to. (the guy who waits for the elevator doors to close to let one rip for one )

 

[SeaVert]

The end result of eating or vaping compounds like nicotine or caffiene is relatively similar, they both lead to the bloodstream. Don't remember who told me that, I do remember them being in some medical field...sorry I can't be more specific.

Edit: keep reading minxy, she's rather bad at stating what she is trying to say and exaggerates heavily but what she seems to be getting at is that she hates dickheads not smokers specifically. Personally I can think of a lot of things/people I would wish a nasty death to. (the guy who waits for the elevator doors to close to let one rip for one )

Israfil, you may be correct in that she exaggerates heavily and is rather bad at stating what she is trying to say...OKAY. However she IS levying quite distinctly aginst smokers (from what I gather, the majority here are ex-smokers) and making some troubling generalizations. To state that smokers are terrible people, and that one wishes that smokers would die painful deaths from lung cancer comes from a selfish, close-minded, and hateful human being. There is no room for empathy or understanding in this type of statement. She goes on to declare that if someone is a reformed smoker, ie: a non-smoker, then she "doesn't hate you" anymore.

WTF! Who cares! I did, I was angry at first, but the more I read, the more I understand the folly of this topic. This person is not the barometer of our worth, and has no - and I mean NO - idea of what I, you, or any of us have gone through. None.

I'm over it.

 

[Katmar]

Israfil, you may be correct in that she exaggerates heavily and is rather bad at stating what she is trying to say...OKAY. However she IS levying quite distinctly aginst smokers (from what I gather, the majority here are ex-smokers) and making some troubling generalizations. To state that smokers are terrible people, and that one wishes that smokers would die painful deaths from lung cancer comes from a selfish, close-minded, and hateful human being. There is no room for empathy or understanding in this type of statement. She goes on to declare that if someone is a reformed smoker, ie: a non-smoker, then she "doesn't hate you" anymore.

WTF! Who cares! I did, I was angry at first, but the more I read, the more I understand the folly of this topic. This person is not the barometer of our worth, and has no - and I mean NO - idea of what I, you, or any of us have gone through. None.

I'm over it.

She DID change her statement, but, it was already out there for those of us to see. I found it beyond offensive, but, like you, I am over it, too. Not worth it.

 

[Koman]

Well, my friend joined recently but he doesn't vape...yet.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

The general attitude on this forum seems to be “if you don’t smoke, don’t vape”. The more I think about this, the less sense it makes.

<snip>


People deserve the right to choose what goes into their bodies! <snip>

I choose not to vape because freediving is my life. But if any of my fellow non-smokers decided to vape, I would not judge them.

Ok, I have read many many threads since I have been here, and I have read this thread to it's entirety. I am not going to partake in the back-and-forth that goes in many directions, but rather answer the OP's main "direct" topic w/question in title

A non-smoker can vape... obviously one can do what one wants.. no matter what.

But, you will not find too many people here offering that as a suggestion to do, for many reasons.

1) MOST people here were/are smokers and took up vaping as an alternative

2) of those people a Good Majority have struggled with the switch so suggesting it to someone that doesn't have the monkey on their back is hard to fathom.

You are right we all should have a right to choose... like you don't choose to vape yourself....you have your reasons.... like everyone else.

Yes it is GREAT when never-smokers support e-cigs, and I back that 100%

but not to see the sense in a XXyear XXpack a day smoker.. would suggest a never-smoker not to vape.... only means that one doesn't know how big that monkey is on another's back...

I am not speaking for all... since this place is made up of people from all over the place with different views...But I have read many posts of "first 24 hours" "first month Surprised" "Help xxyear xxpack a day smoker", ect ect... to know
that vaping isn't just a "cool thing to do" <<(not implying that was your meaning)


That's my .2 cents now back to work

Duck

 

[underwater goddess]

Well, I’ve done some serious thinking about what all you guys said. About how I shouldn’t want the selfish .......s I described earlier to get lung cancer and die.

I’ve decided that I don’t hate them anymore.

The selfish people I described must have a lot of hate inside them to want to intentionally force lung damage on anyone unlucky enough to be around them. But responding to hate with more hate? 2 wrongs don’t make a right, or accomplish anything.

So, instead of hating them, I now hate their behavior. And I no longer secretly hope that any harm comes to them. I just want them to change their behavior. To stop ....ing damaging the bodies of other human beings who don’t even consent to it.

I still have a huge phobia of cigarette smoke, and since acclimating myself to it would ruin both my heath and my career, it’s a phobia I will never want to “cure”. But I will do my best not to let my emotions cloud my judgment on this issue. Hate the behavior, not the person.

Because even a person with selfish behavior is still a person, right?

 

[underwater goddess]

(This is about the original topic of this thread.)

I did a bit of thinking about this thread and the not-so-friendly responses I have been getting. In hindsight, starting this thread was a stupid idea.

Let’s see, how can I explain this:

There are some people who are addicted to inhalants; certain household substances that shall not be named that are dispensed into balloons and inhaled. (FYI- inhalants are the most dangerous drug on the face of the earth. Even a single use carries a 100% chance of brain damage, and a significant chance of dropping dead.)

So if I showed up on a forum full of people suffering from inhalant addictions and told them about how my friends and I attended a balloon convention and joyfully sucked air from balloons all night long (not drug-filled or even helium-filled, just air-filled), well, let’s just say I would ruffle a lot of feathers.

Anyway, I’m getting a little off-topic here. What I’m really trying to say is, I could not have picked a worse place to discuss this topic.

To me “why can’t a non-smoker vape 0-nic juice if they really want to, it’s no worse than junk food anyway” is a harmless discussion topic. To those consumed by the darkness of an addiction that will control them forever, it is unsettling and disturbing. It makes a mockery of what you all have been going through. Completely inconsiderate and tactless of me to even bring up.

No hard feelings towards those of you who were less than nice to me in this thread. I completely deserved it for bringing up a topic that in a place like this is highly upsetting. I apologize to you all. (I also hope that you all still consider me to be a friend to everyone here. As long as you don’t light up an analog around me, I don’t bite )

So, “as long as it doesn’t harm others, people should have the right to do whatever floats their boat”- good idea. “Ooh why not choose ECF as the place to start this particular thread” - very bad idea.

(whacks self upside the head “Girl, you need to learn to think before you open your mouth. You always announce to everyone the first thought that pops into your head!”)

 

[spaky]

I guess you decided not to look at the link that I provided or the links that Drozd provided. Then again it's clear that you just wanted people to agree with you or attention. I just hate it when people spread lies like ASH does.

 

[Israfil]

I don't mind if you bite, as long as it isn't hard! ^_^ I'm glad to see you're back on level and welcome the help against the empire. (fda+big T) For the rebellion!

 

[Kobudo]

Naa man....It's MILK..Mama's milk is the gateway drug! Just ask around Everyone who's ever done drugs has had it!

OMG why didn't I see this before?! It all makes sense now!

 

[bornagainst]

Well, glad you changed your "tune" underwater goddess. To think that you would change your tune so fast makes me question your belief structure as a whole even more.

THAT SAID... there are still many of us wondering what you are even doing here.

There are many forums out there which would be more suitable for you to frequent, and hope that you find your home in one of them.

Google is your friend. Please look up ADHD, Brain Damage, and all the other variables you can think of.

HUGS!

Born

 

[underwater goddess]

I guess you decided not to look at the link that I provided or the links that Drozd provided. Then again it's clear that you just wanted people to agree with you or attention. I just hate it when people spread lies like ASH does.

I'm getting there...

You all are posting stuff faster than I can reply to it.

(Curses this useless machine...I'm about ready to throw it out the window)

 

[underwater goddess]

Most non-smokers do not realize that in removing the rights of smokers, everyone's rights are diminished.

What we have due to these actions is a government that now believes that un-healthfulness is a taxable offense. As time goes on, just watch the effects this will have on alcohol, fat food, candy, motorcycles, obesity, snow skiing or other "dangerous activities" that can be successfully singled out and made into a minority.

I did not realize this at all.

I thought that removing the “rights” of smokers would result in nothing but yummy fresh air for everyone. I didn’t realize that it would lead to other, more severe things. Banning motorcycles and snow skiing…they could end up banning freediving! 8-o

P.S. I am interested in learning more about this whole thing.

 

[keyzygirl]

I hear that yummy fresh air is going to be banned also.

 

[underwater goddess]

I find your comments rather judgemental. Why are you a member of this forum if you don't vape? This makes no sense, regardless of your explanations.

Ok, let’s say that I went and started a civil rights activism forum, then banned you from it for not being black. Same concept.

You hate smokers, you don't vape, yet you say you are willing to fight for the rights of vaper. Why? What on earth could you possibly have in common with the members of this forum?

A lot more than you think.

I have been through addictions too. My specific addictions may not have been tobacco, but as the staff at the drug/alcohol/anorexia/bulimia rehab center told us every day, an addiction is an addiction, we all have the same disease.

 

[minxy_fox]

(This is about the original topic of this thread.)

I did a bit of thinking about this thread and the not-so-friendly responses I have been getting. In hindsight, starting this thread was a stupid idea.

Let’s see, how can I explain this:

There are some people who are addicted to inhalants; certain household substances that shall not be named that are dispensed into balloons and inhaled. (FYI- inhalants are the most dangerous drug on the face of the earth. Even a single use carries a 100% chance of brain damage, and a significant chance of dropping dead.)

So if I showed up on a forum full of people suffering from inhalant addictions and told them about how my friends and I attended a balloon convention and joyfully sucked air from balloons all night long (not drug-filled or even helium-filled, just air-filled), well, let’s just say I would ruffle a lot of feathers.

Anyway, I’m getting a little off-topic here. What I’m really trying to say is, I could not have picked a worse place to discuss this topic.

To me “why can’t a non-smoker vape 0-nic juice if they really want to, it’s no worse than junk food anyway” is a harmless discussion topic. To those consumed by the darkness of an addiction that will control them forever, it is unsettling and disturbing. It makes a mockery of what you all have been going through. Completely inconsiderate and tactless of me to even bring up.

No hard feelings towards those of you who were less than nice to me in this thread. I completely deserved it for bringing up a topic that in a place like this is highly upsetting. I apologize to you all. (I also hope that you all still consider me to be a friend to everyone here. As long as you don’t light up an analog around me, I don’t bite )

So, “as long as it doesn’t harm others, people should have the right to do whatever floats their boat”- good idea. “Ooh why not choose ECF as the place to start this particular thread” - very bad idea.

(whacks self upside the head “Girl, you need to learn to think before you open your mouth. You always announce to everyone the first thought that pops into your head!”)

Excuse me? People are being nasty to you? What did you expect? Were your hateful comments towards smokers not nasty? And to now change your mind? What a very fickle person you are. Hate is a very strong emotion, one which can't be turned off like a tap. At least not within 24 hours.
I believe the only reason you are here is to cause upset and trouble. What else would you hope to accomplish here, seeing you are not a smoker or vaper? Your logic and closed minded attitude are in conflict. Perhaps you are a mixed up person?
I agree with Bornagainst.... you really don't belong in this forum. Go away!

 

[PaulB]

I hate to say it, but the only thing that surprises me about O.P.'s professed hatred of smokers is its honesty. (Glad she qualified it: good to hear that some of us are/were... uh ... a credit to our habit.) In my estimation, hers has become a mainstream (although maybe not prevalent) non-smoking American view, thanks to the excesses of the anti-smoker industry--the same industry that, by and large, is dedicating itself to eradication e-smoking as well.

Good chance I'm the only one here who's like this, but over the decades I've increasingly steered somewhat away the social company of non-smokers (which doesn't count currently non-practicing smokers if they're not judgmental about it). I've just found that the odds of nagging, insensitive remarks, and air-fanning have increased with every passing year. Sort of a "Love me, love my dog thing" with me. And this is something I don't expect to change much, even if/when I drop from my present 5 cigarettes a day (considerately smoked at great distance from non-smokers) down to zero. I'll still be a smoker, and I take it personally.

So, along with all the addiction arguments, there's a part of me that just doesn't want non-smokers in my vaping fraternity.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

The general attitude on this forum seems to be “if you don’t smoke, don’t vape”. The more I think about this, the less sense it makes.

<snip>


People deserve the right to choose what goes into their bodies! <snip>

I choose not to vape because freediving is my life. But if any of my fellow non-smokers decided to vape, I would not judge them.

Ok, I have read many many threads since I have been here, and I have read this thread to it's entirety. I am not going to partake in the back-and-forth that goes in many directions, but rather answer the OP's main "direct" topic w/question in title

A non-smoker can vape... obviously one can do what one wants.. no matter what.

But, you will not find too many people here offering that as a suggestion to do, for many reasons.

1) MOST people here were/are smokers and took up vaping as an alternative

2) of those people a Good Majority have struggled with the switch so suggesting it to someone that doesn't have the monkey on their back is hard to fathom.

You are right we all should have a right to choose... like you don't choose to vape yourself....you have your reasons.... like everyone else.

Yes it is GREAT when never-smokers support e-cigs, and I back that 100%

but not to see the sense in a XXyear XXpack a day smoker.. would suggest a never-smoker not to vape.... only means that one doesn't know how big that monkey is on another's back...

I am not speaking for all... since this place is made up of people from all over the place with different views...But I have read many posts of "first 24 hours" "first month Surprised" "Help xxyear xxpack a day smoker", ect ect... to know
that vaping isn't just a "cool thing to do" <<(not implying that was your meaning)


That's my .2 cents now back to work

Duck

Ok it seems like all views have been stated... and before this thread gets more sour I am choosing to lock this thread..

Never-smokers that support our alternative choice are always welcome ..

Please understand the lack of relating to us smokers/use-to-smokers if you have never had a monkey on your back... if you have then you may be able to relate.

smokers turned vaporers/ or smokers-plus-vaporers please understand it is great to have the support and understanding of ecigs from EVERYONE....