I agree, I don't suggest my set up to any new vapers as I know there are easier ones out there. I normally suggest a Riva 510 kit as it's fairly simple, it works well, and the batteries last a good long time. If I personally found the ego-t to be terrible I would probably suggest that.
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I agree, I don't suggest my set up to any new vapers as I know there are easier ones out there. I normally suggest a Riva 510 kit as it's fairly simple, it works well, and the batteries last a good long time. If I personally found the ego-t to be terrible I would probably suggest that.
It's not as easy as buying a pack of smokes and it never will be, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. After all, the target market for PVs is smokers who want to quit, not non-smokers who want to take up vaping. I think few if anyone here would recommend that a non-smoker pick up using a PV.
So, while PVs are more futzy to use than cigarettes the salient point is that cigarettes kill you while PVs stand a good chance of saving your life. Meanwhile, PVs are really no more or less difficult to deal with than most of the other quitting aids, and unlike those other methods the PV actually works for the majority of people who try it.
They'll probably never be mainstream... and that's probably a good thing.
So, while PVs are more futzy to use than cigarettes the salient point is that cigarettes kill you while PVs stand a good chance of saving your life. Meanwhile, PVs are really no more or less difficult to deal with than most of the other quitting aids, and unlike those other methods the PV actually works for the majority of people who try it.
They'll probably never be mainstream... and that's probably a good thing.
I've seen some very good disposables...at around 10 bucks for 500 puffs...not too shabby. If they could do 500 puffs for 5 bucks and get them in places where smokers will see them...I think most would at least give one a try
I want one myself, but can't justify it now - if I could talk my husband into using pink Riva batteries though...
I think you have to realize that e-cigs are a fairly new product. It may be a niche now but it grows like crazy everyday. Look at other inventions from the past. The telephone and TV. TV in the 20's, 30's and 40's was a niche. It wasn't until the 50's that it really became popular. Give it ten more years and then see where e-cigs are. I think you'll be amazed at what we will be doing.
In 10 years there will be,
- Atomizers that will give off 95% consistency for two months before one needs to clean it, and will efficiently utilize the juice.
- Plasma batteries will let you vape for a week straight before recharging.
- And you will be vaping in a world filled with zombies.
Yep.. I'm optimistic
Vaping does not have to be a huge commitment. If it is, then the person responsible for it is the beginner themselves.
Once folks know about it, and the price is right...it'll gradually become mainstream.
What's gonna hurt...is if big tax happy govt steps in and goes nuts with these driving the prices up.
Maybe current e-cig technology is a bit of an expensive hassle...but...so were ash-trays, butts all over everything, lost burning cherries, the 1 minute pack-packing exercise, etc......
What's gonna hurt...is if big tax happy govt steps in and goes nuts with these driving the prices up.
Maybe current e-cig technology is a bit of an expensive hassle...but...so were ash-trays, butts all over everything, lost burning cherries, the 1 minute pack-packing exercise, etc......
Guess so. But... when I smoke an analog, I hand roll it myself, they take some preparation. I've got three hookahs, lots of preparation to get these things going. Very long ago I smoked pipe. Loved the ritual. How about cigars? Humidors, cigar cutters, special lighters, and dimmed lights, an open fire, a leather chair, a cognac and nothing to do for the rest of the day are obligatory. So I don't mind a little ritual with my ecigs. Gives them character and a more satisfying vape, because I had to do something to achieve my goal.
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I don't think it gets much easier than this...
Avaliable at a tobacco shop near me:
$12.99 to get started with a RN4081 type starter kit made by GreenSmartLiving. The kit contains your choice of 2 tobacco or menthol pre-filled cartos, 1 auto battery that will last at least half a day, and a simple usb charger. Additional pre-filled cartos are $6 for a 5 pack, and I have found each to be about the equivalent to 15 analogs. They are available currently in 6 different flavor/strength varieties.
I currently have 4 of the batteries/kits, and have bought them for several friends as well. Not a single one has had any issue with the operation of the ecig, and the vape is consistent right up to the last couple of puffs where the carto dries up. Simply unscrew and replace and you are good to go again. I have only had 2 cartos that did not function correctly out of roughly 60-70 used so far.
I recommend this system to anyone who I come across who wants to quit or cut down on analogs. It is by far the closest thing to a hassle-free vaping system I have seen to date at a price that is almost unbelievable for the quality I have seen thus far.
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Avaliable at a tobacco shop near me:
$12.99 to get started with a RN4081 type starter kit made by GreenSmartLiving. The kit contains your choice of 2 tobacco or menthol pre-filled cartos, 1 auto battery that will last at least half a day, and a simple usb charger. Additional pre-filled cartos are $6 for a 5 pack, and I have found each to be about the equivalent to 15 analogs. They are available currently in 6 different flavor/strength varieties.
I currently have 4 of the batteries/kits, and have bought them for several friends as well. Not a single one has had any issue with the operation of the ecig, and the vape is consistent right up to the last couple of puffs where the carto dries up. Simply unscrew and replace and you are good to go again. I have only had 2 cartos that did not function correctly out of roughly 60-70 used so far.
I recommend this system to anyone who I come across who wants to quit or cut down on analogs. It is by far the closest thing to a hassle-free vaping system I have seen to date at a price that is almost unbelievable for the quality I have seen thus far.
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What a great price!, it's half of what their website shows. This is exactly what I'd like to buy for my friends to get started.
As it stands, let's be honest: even the best of our units are unreliable and take considerable online research and fiddling to get working smoothly. There is a variance in quality between atomizers, even two identical units made by the same company in the same batch. No consumer would tolerate if one out of six soda cans was consistently defective.
I'd say the tank system is the first real step toward mass market appeal. The basic batteries are reliable and functional, if not the longest-lasting things in the world. The tank allows a more consistent vaping experience than the filler carts (when they work, that is . . . 510-T's almost got it, eGo-T still has bugs). The biggest hangup presently is the atomizer.
SNUS packets are consistent, if undesirable to some. The e-cig isn't there yet, so for the time being it's going to be limited to people who don't mind going the extra mile for the result. But as it stands, when your product can't give a consistent experience out of the box and has high reliability and failure issues, it's going to remain a niche.
As to not wanting more people to get into it, I only wish this had been available for my father ten years ago . . . as it stands, I've had to move back in with him as his COPD and emphysema have become debilitating. I can only hope it becomes reliable enough that one day it overshadows smoking as the standard.
I'd say the tank system is the first real step toward mass market appeal. The basic batteries are reliable and functional, if not the longest-lasting things in the world. The tank allows a more consistent vaping experience than the filler carts (when they work, that is . . . 510-T's almost got it, eGo-T still has bugs). The biggest hangup presently is the atomizer.
SNUS packets are consistent, if undesirable to some. The e-cig isn't there yet, so for the time being it's going to be limited to people who don't mind going the extra mile for the result. But as it stands, when your product can't give a consistent experience out of the box and has high reliability and failure issues, it's going to remain a niche.
As to not wanting more people to get into it, I only wish this had been available for my father ten years ago . . . as it stands, I've had to move back in with him as his COPD and emphysema have become debilitating. I can only hope it becomes reliable enough that one day it overshadows smoking as the standard.
Commitment. I was thinking that word accurately described my view, but I thought of an even better word...
...discipline.
Smokers are not known for their discipline. How many smokers do you know that are ALWAYS out of cigarettes? Or, if they're like my wife, who will pass 15-20 stores driving home from work...walk through the front door...and tell ME I have to go buy her cigarettes. Pisses me off but i can hardly blame her. I can't count the number of times I didn't feel like stopping, KNOWING my pack was low. Wake up 4 in the morning cursing 'cause I gotta go to the gas station to buy a pack.
NOW...RIGHT now 'cause my wife is out of smokes too, and some idi...eh...tidy person cleaned the ashtrays out.
(This is, of course, IF I have some money...a whole 'nother issue...)
You know there are corner stores here that sell "loose cigarettes" for people who can't afford, or don't want to buy a pack?
Then there's the O.P.C. smokers. Their favorite brand is whatever YOU smoke. People with money, no less. Wouldn't buy a pack of cigarettes if their lives depended on it. (Weird analogy that one is...)
There's no way this "smoker mentality" looks forward to buying juice in advance, much less stay on top of "consumable" pv parts. Heck, I got the cold sweats last week 'cause I was running out of juice and procrastinated placing an order. My reason?
I didn't FEEL like it.
I'm not alone here. Like Vaperstein said, smokers are so used to instant gratification that it's going to be tough for a lot of people to develop the discipline it takes to make vaping enjoyable. That, or the whole vaping experience will have to take a huge leap forward before it reaches the level of mass market appeal.
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