WHY Do People Want Better Atomizers ????

[CaSHMeRe]

A thread for everyone ....

Going over the Pro's and Con's to see what may outweigh the other .... So, lets begin .... We are NOT talking about simple reworks (pulling atomizer apart, fixing solder joint and perhaps bulking up the nichochrome coil. We are keeping this general, not China vs. USA made ...

PRO's:
1. Atomizer Life Span -- Likely the #1 and only reason people want a better built atomizer.
2. Can't think of a 2nd ....

CON's:
1. Coil size and solder joints will:
A) Adds resistance, thus resulting in poorer battery performance and weaker vapor unless you use larger and more power batteries ....
B) Adding Size <-- Which 99% of the vapers DON'T want
2. The additional cost to manufacturer
3. Disposability factor is lost

Now, I would like to hear from you .... What are YOUR pro's and con's, and if good enough, can be added to the above. Is $5/week really TOO much to have a brand new atomizer to use every week ???

-Steve

 

[Bunni]

Would like to see something easier to clean, that wicks well, wick fibers don't burn or shed, and yes, I'd like it to last awhile

 

[Cayman]

$5/week? I don't recall seeing attys that cheap anywhere, atleast not for my 510. If I could buy an atty for $5 then I guess I would not worry too much about it.

Anyway, I just was something more reliable and made here.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

cayman -- 510 atty's are $5 and ship free when purchased in bulk on my site

very good points bunni ...

 

[youfillintheblank]

Quality control is an issue, I have some atomizers that are wicked, and some that suck ........all the same type. From different suppliers mind you, but the suck ... ones can be in any batch from any company since they really all come from the same manufacturer. Suck ... atomizer = poorly made, bad QC

Bigger coil, more resilient coil would be efficient on something like a Prodigy or any other 5-6-7 volt mod.....and last way longer. that's a PRO for me, cuz I'm Mr. 6 volts. But better QC would help the 3.7 volt crowd.

Size is not really an issue to me....make it big, if it runs on 6 volts effeciently and every one of them works the same and blows my head off with vapour I'll be a happy puppy.

And additional cost to manufacturer isn't an issue to me either, cuz if you make a kick ... atomizer that rules on 6 volts I expect you'll sell it to us at less than cost because we are your favorite people and we deserve a break!

Now where's my GD Riskee yuice order Steve???????

EDIT: ONE OF MY AWESOME ATOMIZERS JUST DIED AND NOW I HAVE TO USE THE SUCK ... ONE I BROUGHT AS SPARE!!! HURRY STEVE, MAKE US SOMETHING GOOD

A thread for everyone ....

Going over the Pro's and Con's to see what may outweigh the other .... So, lets begin .... We are NOT talking about simple reworks (pulling atomizer apart, fixing solder joint and perhaps bulking up the nichochrome coil. We are keeping this general, not China vs. USA made ...

PRO's:
1. Atomizer Life Span -- Likely the #1 and only reason people want a better built atomizer.
2. Can't think of a 2nd ....

CON's:
1. Coil size and solder joints will:
A) Adds resistance, thus resulting in poorer battery performance and weaker vapor unless you use larger and more power batteries ....
B) Adding Size <-- Which 99% of the vapers DON'T want
2. The additional cost to manufacturer
3. Disposability factor is lost

Now, I would like to hear from you .... What are YOUR pro's and con's, and if good enough, can be added to the above. Is $5/week really TOO much to have a brand new atomizer to use every week ???

-Steve

 

[dc2k08]

steve, The e-cig world needs an attie that is designed primarily to take liquid on its own, not from a cart.

• An ideal atomizer for me would be one that facilitated a cartridge which contained a reservoir of liquid that administered one single drop of liquid at the push or squeeze of a button.
  
• The atomizer should also be enclosed in a way that no liquid can reach the battery terminal.
  
• It should also be able to be screwed apart so that the coil can be replaced.

If you build it, we will come

 

[Surf Monkey]

1) Life span. You already covered this, but it's still a major concern.

2) Money going to Chinese companies. I know many of us would feel FAR better about our purchases if the money stayed in America, even if the product was exactly the same as what we can get from China right now.

3) More consistent quality control. Right now it's kind of a crap shoot. You can get good atomizers in one batch and crap ones in the next.

4) Confidence that the product is genuine. As we all know, there are many copycat atomizers on the market right now. You have to be careful to get "true 801s" or "genuine 510s" whenever you place an order. Many of us don't like supporting third party hardware and even if we do, it's easy to get something that was advertised incorrectly by a vendor who either doesn't know or doesn't care about the origin of the product.

5) Direct feedback to the manufacturer. With very few exceptions it's practically impossible to speak with anyone who's actually in charge at the Chinese facilities.

6) More configuration options. By this I mean atomizers that don't necessarily directly mimic a cigarette in size. You mentioned that people don't want larger atomizers. Maybe that's true, but it's not necessarily a given. The current crop of PVs all mimic cigarettes because they're designed for novice or casual users. Power users are willing (as the Prodigy shows) to abandon the cigarette metaphor for better performance.

 

[gjrhine]

In order

1. Better tasting flavor
2. Better tasting flavor
3. Better tasting flavor

 

[Surf Monkey]

$5/week? I don't recall seeing attys that cheap anywhere, atleast not for my 510. If I could buy an atty for $5 then I guess I would not worry too much about it.

Anyway, I just was something more reliable and made here.

Math. If an average atomizer lasts about 2 weeks at peak performance, and the average cost of a new atomizer is around $10...

 

[Surf Monkey]

[*]An ideal atomizer for me would be one that facilitated a cartridge which contained a reservoir of liquid that administered one single drop of liquid at the push or squeeze of a button.

Yes, I like that idea too. The cart system is flawed in many respects. It works, but it doesn't work as well as it could. Dripping is too time consuming and fussy for a lot of situations, and carts need a lot of periodic re-filling too. Some other system, either what you mentioned or some other "auto feed" approach would be a great step forward in the technology.

 

[bluezr1]

It would be nice if that was the case, but you get one that works for an hour the another the last two day and finally get one that last good for a week then fades fast, so knowing that you went through three in the last week and a half and not knowing how long the next one will last, you stretch it out till your face is turning blue will every puff.

So case in point, if I knew that it was a matter of changing one out every week i'm all for it.

A thread for everyone ....

Going over the Pro's and Con's to see what may outweigh the other .... So, lets begin .... We are NOT talking about simple reworks (pulling atomizer apart, fixing solder joint and perhaps bulking up the nichochrome coil. We are keeping this general, not China vs. USA made ...

PRO's:
1. Atomizer Life Span -- Likely the #1 and only reason people want a better built atomizer.
2. Can't think of a 2nd ....

CON's:
1. Coil size and solder joints will:
A) Adds resistance, thus resulting in poorer battery performance and weaker vapor unless you use larger and more power batteries ....
B) Adding Size <-- Which 99% of the vapers DON'T want
2. The additional cost to manufacturer
3. Disposability factor is lost

Now, I would like to hear from you .... What are YOUR pro's and con's, and if good enough, can be added to the above. Is $5/week really TOO much to have a brand new atomizer to use every week ???

-Steve

 

[SudokuGal]

It's difficult for me think of atomizers as a "consumable" -- juice is a consumable, which is where I'm more willing to spend money on a frequent basis. I want my hardware to be reliable.

 

[j4g3rb0mb3d]

I would like to see a completely selfsourced American-made electronic cigarette industry. Puresmoker has solved 1/3 of this problem by exploring and manufacturing all the different power options, Johnson Creek solved another 1/3 of the problem by becoming the first and only Smoke Juice producer. The other 1/3 of the problem has not been solved in that we still have to rely on the atomizers coming from china. We need an American company to step up and begin to make American made atomizers.

I think that the best way to go in solving this problem is for an American company to design an atomizer that can be rebuilt hundreds of times over. I would love to see a company produce an atomizer that you can easily tear down and rebuild yourself. Producing carts in America would be a big plus, too. I would love to use only American made products.

Edit: Sorry Cash, I didn't see the part about keeping this general

 

[Surf Monkey]

i would love to use only american made products.

+1

..........

 

[bluezr1]

I second that...

I would like to see a completely selfsourced American-made electronic cigarette industry. Puresmoker has solved 1/3 of this problem by exploring and manufacturing all the different power options, Johnson Creek solved another 1/3 of the problem by becoming the first and only Smoke Juice producer. The other 1/3 of the problem has not been solved in that we still have to rely on the atomizers coming from china. We need an American company to step up and begin to make American made atomizers.

I think that the best way to go in solving this problem is for an American company to design an atomizer that can be rebuilt hundreds of times over. I would love to see a company produce an atomizer that you can easily tear down and rebuild yourself. Producing carts in America would be a big plus, too. I would love to use only American made products.

Edit: Sorry Cash, I didn't see the part about keeping this general

 

[Cayman]

Bacause we know you are the guy who can do it and do it well!!!

I would spend $20 on a quality atty if I knew it owuld last me a year or more!!

 

[rinkusu]

1) Life span. You already covered this, but it's still a major concern.

2) Money going to Chinese companies. I know many of us would feel FAR better about our purchases if the money stayed in America, even if the product was exactly the same as what we can get from China right now.

3) More consistent quality control. Right now it's kind of a crap shoot. You can get good atomizers in one batch and crap ones in the next.

4) Confidence that the product is genuine. As we all know, there are many copycat atomizers on the market right now. You have to be careful to get "true 801s" or "genuine 510s" whenever you place an order. Many of us don't like supporting third party hardware and even if we do, it's easy to get something that was advertised incorrectly by a vendor who either doesn't know or doesn't care about the origin of the product.

5) Direct feedback to the manufacturer. With very few exceptions it's practically impossible to speak with anyone who's actually in charge at the Chinese facilities.

6) More configuration options. By this I mean atomizers that don't necessarily directly mimic a cigarette in size. You mentioned that people don't want larger atomizers. Maybe that's true, but it's not necessarily a given. The current crop of PVs all mimic cigarettes because they're designed for novice or casual users. Power users are willing (as the Prodigy shows) to abandon the cigarette metaphor for better performance.

Hear, hear!

AKA: "hear, all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker has to say!"

 

[Mr.Vape]

I must be lucky. I've been smoking since.. February? I think? And every single atomizer i've ever bought still works. I only have like.. 7 or 8 of them.

Well, ok, ONE broke but that was because i dropped it from a height accidentally, so I don't think that one counts.

But as for the topic. I dont care about size as long as it works, and works well. Nor do I care TOO much about the cost, again if it works well and can hold up and do it's job the way it should.

Also, i like the above ideas about an atomizer either specifically built for dripping, or some whole new kinda system for it. Carts are .....

 

[Surf Monkey]

I would spend $20 on a quality atty if I knew it owuld last me a year or more!!

I'd spend $20 on an atomizer if it worked at peak capacity for a MONTH, let alone a year.

 

[j4g3rb0mb3d]

Bacause we know you are the guy who can do it and do it well!!!

I would spend $20 on a quality atty if I knew it owuld last me a year or more!!

I wish Steve could do it. Even if he made a MIY/DIY atomizer kit, and obviously supported it properly with the PT, Protege, and Prodigy. A MIY/DIY approach would be more feasible for Steve in that he wouldn't have to mass produce thousands of atomizers a month, and would minimize return claims.

If it were easy to tear down an atomizer, rebuilt it, and reassemble it so that it functions like a stock atomizer, I would do it. It is nearly impossible to tear down a 510 without damaging it cosmetically.